Neoholothele incei gold vs normal form difference?

[testdasi]

Does anyone have a side-by-side or pics under similar condition of the gold vs normal colour form?

I did searching and am now super confused how to spot the diff. It looks to me like different lighting causes the diff and not the T colour.
That's why if anyone has both forms with pics, that would be grand.

Thanks.

 

[cold blood]

The difference is incredibly obvious.

incei pairing

• cold blood
• Jun 26, 2019
• 1
• female holothele incei holothele vellardi incei male mating mature female mature male neoholothele neoholothele incei trinidad olive tarantula

everything but insertions...paired for over 30 min.

AF incei "olive"

• cold blood
• Jun 7, 2019
• 4
• female holothele incei holothele vellardi incei mature female neoholothele neoholothele incei trinidad olive tarantula

re housed before pairing...previous home was simply too webbed up.

 

[advan]

 

[testdasi]

The difference is incredibly obvious.

What are the key areas that are obvious?
The only thing that looks obvious to me is gold doesn't have dark markings on the abdomen.

[pic]

And would that be a gold or normal form?

 

[advan]

And would that be a gold or normal form?

Gold mature male, normal female.

Cold Bloods pairing pic is the exact opposite. Normal mature male, Gold female.

 

[Colorado Ts]

Never kept the species, but I’m told you can both in the same egg sac

 

[CJJon]

H. incei color difference is an example of true color morph and they do indeed come from the same sacs.

 

[cold blood]

What are the key areas that are obvious

1. general color

2. carapace

3. Abdomen, olives have a distinct pattern, golds dont.

 

[The Grym Reaper]

Gold form is paler and lacks the markings of the olive form.

 

[Chebe6886]

I didnt realize they could be sac mates. Does anyone know the genetics of this? One dominant one recessive for is more complicated than that?

 

[Reezelbeezelbug]

Gold is recessive

Edit: from what I understand, I could be wrong

 

[cold blood]

I didnt realize they could be sac mates. Does anyone know the genetics of this? One dominant one recessive for is more complicated than that?

Its just typical genetics and as said, gold is the recessive gene. My gold was the offspring of two olives, my female carried the gold recessive gene. I don't recall the specifics, but I as impressed that the number of golds were exactly what the genetics table said there would be,

 

[Chebe6886]

If you breed two olives they’d have to each have the gold Recessive gene so should have been roughly 1/4 of your slings if my punnet square game is still as strong as it once was anyway

 

[viper69]

Does anyone have a side-by-side or pics under similar condition of the gold vs normal colour form?

I did searching and am now super confused how to spot the diff. It looks to me like different lighting causes the diff and not the T colour.
That's why if anyone has both forms with pics, that would be grand.

Thanks.

You must be looking at the wrong pictures perhaps, or you simply need glasses. Gold are patternless, and they are gold, normals aren't. The difference is so striking that only a blind person couldn't tell the difference.

I didnt realize they could be sac mates. Does anyone know the genetics of this? One dominant one recessive for is more complicated than that?

What we know from sac records is gold is around 25% of the sac. In Mendelian genetics this suggests a single recessive gene, so producing a gold specimen needs 2 copies.. Of course we don't know the gene/s involved, would be cool if we did.

 

[Chebe6886]

What I’d be curious to see is if you get any olives from two golds... if it’s a one gene recessive trait you shouldn’t unless there is some reversible mutations going on or its more complicated that just 1 gene

 

[viper69]

What I’d be curious to see is if you get any olives from two golds... if it’s a one gene recessive trait you shouldn’t unless there is some reversible mutations going on or its more complicated that just 1 gene

This isn't possible (based on our thinking and behavior of simple recessive traits). Golds are homozygous recessive for "Gold", they can only produce golds. Not sure what you mean by reversible mutation. A gold gene doesn't change from F1 to F2 to F3 etc

 

[Chebe6886]

Oh I know... if it’s as simple one gene recessive gene (which it likely is) seems no ones 100% I was postulating. Haven’t postulated in public in a while

I’ve seen some weird stuff in genetics between school and work

 

[sdsnybny]

This paper (breeding report) by Jonah Lazich will explain it well. He has well over 100 sacs produced.

Neoholothele incei pairing and mutation - Tarantulas of the World

Neoholothele incei breeding report and color form experimentation for both Trinidad olive and Trinidad olive cf gold species in the hobby.

www.tarantulasoftheworld.com

 

[Chebe6886]

Thanks that answers that. That’s a lot of spider sex

 

[cold blood]

What I’d be curious to see is if you get any olives from two golds... if it’s a one gene recessive trait you shouldn’t unless there is some reversible mutations going on or its more complicated that just 1 gene

2 golds should produce an entire sac of golds.