Species Lasiodora parahybana

[edesign]

5 years to get to 7"? :? when did it last molt? Mine hit 6" about 2 months ago and is a little over a year and a half old...

Either way, very nice tarantula! Can't wait til mine is full grown...I'd say she is probably the one T I can honestly say I'm attached to The rest of em...if they died, sure i'd be sad but not like I would be with Pinky.

 

[edesign]

one day when the mouse kills or seriously injures the T...well...lol...goes to show why feeding live prey isn't always the best idea

btw...there's nothing but a water bowl in that tank and flat substrate? I don't think I could keep a tank that plain...i'd have to at least add a slope to it

 

[eman]

man do you speak portuguese? now i'm in trouble hahahahhahahahahahahaha

No, I speak Spanish and a bit of Italian... but close enough!

but there are a lot of small mamals in brazil and they probably are part of lasiodoras diet. i ve seen pictures of lasiodoras eating bats in the wild. so i believe that they eat small mamals.

I realize that there are many different species of mammals in Brazil. I have also seen that same picture of an L. parahybana eating a bat on the ground and another on Rick W's site of an Avic urticans eating a bat on a banana tree - I don't think that this is very common though and would suspect these examples to be somewhat circumstancial. I also don't believe that there are many species of mammals/rodents that would normally be eaten by most NW ts in Central/South America. Do you know of any?

I have read several field reports (Rick West, Piere Paillard, Andrew Smith, etc.) which confirm NW theraphosids commonly eating all sorts of small reptiles and amphibians - this makes sense to me. Not once have I read that they were found eating rodents or mammals specifically. This is just my opinion as I am no expert.

PS: sorry for that "imbecil gringo" i will change it.

No worries... to be honest, I found it rather amusing.

 

[Derekool]

I agree with Merfolk (I guess I'm

Roaches and other insects are considerably richer in protein than mice/rats/rodents and clearly a better choice IMO.

Cheers!

What no they are not crickets and roachs are alot of chiton and not that much protein compared to a mouse

And how is it any more humane for a small baby mouse to die versus a bigger mouse if the method of killing is the EXACTLY the same

 

[Taceas]

I don't know why I'm even compelled to open these threads.

Yes, its an awesome sight, so is my snakes feeding instinct of pre-killed rodents. Nature and her creatures are amazing. But I just do not understand the desire to display shocking material at the risk of a pet, maybe I'm just naive. Regardless of it being "just a spider" and "just a rodent"....they're still living animals and don't deserve to be put in harm's way.

I've seen mice and rats maim adult snakes who were capable of taking down such prey with ease, from just a poorly aimed grab. If pinhead crickets can cause slings to lose legs, I'd hate to think what a well placed bite could do to an adult spider, regardless of the quick acting nature of tarantula venom to rodents, which I'm sure was developed mostly as a defense.

One of these days I'd almost like to see someone post pics of their tarantula mutilated by a much faster and wiser rodent, but I have a sneaking suspicion that type of shocking picture won't be displayed any time soon.

It's not fair to the rodent and definitely not to the spider. In the wild, they both have the option of running away. But in a small confined tank for sheer enjoyment value, all bets are off.

Use a pre-killed or frozen-thawed rodent next time. It's much more humane and less of a danger to your spider while still preseving that all sacred "shock value" you so crave. But ultimately, its a waste of food and money as the spider could nowhere near finish all of that.

And lastly, please learn the difference between a rat and a mouse. What you fed to that very well fed spider was a rat, not a mouse. Give that thing another week, and it has the teeth to do serious damage.

Sometimes I wish this site didn't allow such pics. But then again, I've also been on snake sites where people freak out at the sight of a once-was alive rodent in the coils of a snake. Snakes eat rodents not carrot sticks, no getting around that. But spiders? :evil:

And how is it any more humane for a small baby mouse to die versus a bigger mouse if the method of killing is the EXACTLY the same

Is that a legitimate question? C'mon, use your noggin.

It's more humane in that its a much QUICKER death for a smaller prey animal than a larger one, it simply causes more instantaneous and irreversable damage.

To use a grotesque example...

For mechanical damage: Punch a human baby in the head, and it's probably going to die without much pain. Punch me in the head, and I'm gonna punch you back.

Or for chemical damage, likened to venom: I don't get drunk nearly as easily as a baby would when given the same amount of alcohol. Simple fact of size difference, things work faster in babies than adults.

 

[Okitasoshi]

Use a pre-killed or frozen-thawed rodent next time. It's much more humane and less of a danger to your spider while still preseving that all sacred "shock value" you so crave.

I'm not sure if it's just me or not, but I've never had luck with prekilled food, I tried raising a baby corn snake on frozen food but he would have nothing to do with it (yes i thawed it in warm water yadda yadda). I'm sure if you thawed one and dropped it close enough to the spider for it to tag the mouse or if you moved it around in front of his face he'd take it though.

I don't really care about the mouse, but i do care about your spider, and that mouse has wicked claws (fourth and fifth pic). So in the future beware of that cause mice are vicious little guys. I would occasionally feed him a pinky or so though if for nothing then diet variation, but i think Crickets, roaches, and mealworms do the trick just fine.

 

[Vys]

Hi

this is my L. parahybana 17cm female

I was going to express my annoyance over that kind of title (the 'vs' kind), thinking it'd show something small, furry with the life expectancy of a desert roach in Ireland cowering in one corner, but I have to admit that the title does appear quite fitting. Have fun cleaning.

 

[kyle_de_aussie]

Great looking L. Parahybana there mate, when it becomes legal to keep them in my country they will be high on my wish list....wont hold my breath for this to happen tho :wall:

 

[Derekool]

I don't know why I'm even compelled to open these threads.

Yes, its an awesome sight, so is my snakes feeding instinct of pre-killed rodents. Nature and her creatures are amazing. But I just do not understand the desire to display shocking material at the risk of a pet, maybe I'm just naive. Regardless of it being "just a spider" and "just a rodent"....they're still living animals and don't deserve to be put in harm's way.

I've seen mice and rats maim adult snakes who were capable of taking down such prey with ease, from just a poorly aimed grab. If pinhead crickets can cause slings to lose legs, I'd hate to think what a well placed bite could do to an adult spider, regardless of the quick acting nature of tarantula venom to rodents, which I'm sure was developed mostly as a defense.

One of these days I'd almost like to see someone post pics of their tarantula mutilated by a much faster and wiser rodent, but I have a sneaking suspicion that type of shocking picture won't be displayed any time soon.

It's not fair to the rodent and definitely not to the spider. In the wild, they both have the option of running away. But in a small confined tank for sheer enjoyment value, all bets are off.

Use a pre-killed or frozen-thawed rodent next time. It's much more humane and less of a danger to your spider while still preseving that all sacred "shock value" you so crave. But ultimately, its a waste of food and money as the spider could nowhere near finish all of that.

And lastly, please learn the difference between a rat and a mouse. What you fed to that very well fed spider was a rat, not a mouse. Give that thing another week, and it has the teeth to do serious damage.

Sometimes I wish this site didn't allow such pics. But then again, I've also been on snake sites where people freak out at the sight of a once-was alive rodent in the coils of a snake. Snakes eat rodents not carrot sticks, no getting around that. But spiders? :evil:


Is that a legitimate question? C'mon, use your noggin.

It's more humane in that its a much QUICKER death for a smaller prey animal than a larger one, it simply causes more instantaneous and irreversable damage.

To use a grotesque example...

For mechanical damage: Punch a human baby in the head, and it's probably going to die without much pain. Punch me in the head, and I'm gonna punch you back.

Or for chemical damage, likened to venom: I don't get drunk nearly as easily as a baby would when given the same amount of alcohol. Simple fact of size difference, things work faster in babies than adults.

but in this case death is the result for both of the unfortunet mice yes one might be more violent only because one is bigger and can struggle more does not make a pinkies death any more humane but in my opinion both would be imoral and unsafe to feed live

 

[Sharpy808]

My mistake on the age, I checked my list and shes 4 not 5 years. I purchased her at 2-1/2 y.o. and she was about 3-1/2". The person I got her from didnt feed her to quickly and took her a while to get going im guessin.

Molted 3 times for, once last year and 2 times this summer. I'll take a pic of the molts. Post it in a few mins.

 

[TheNatural]

first.. Darkness, congrats for the T. Thats a nice parahybana.

Com´on lets talk serious here... I respect all humanitarian opinions but..
TARANTULAS EAT LIVE PREYS in nature, so if anyone has a problem with this.. should change hobby. I say more IMO watching a T catching its prey is one of the "hot spots" of this hobby.

Actually Im worried with the T, not a bit with the mouse.
I would be very careful with rodents, they can injury your T to death.

 

[Sharpy808]

Molts....



I guess the slower growth rate could also be contributed to the fact that I dont have a dedicated spider room with constant temps year round. They are in my master bedroom with me and take a dip in the temps during the winter so they slow down a little during say Dec.-Feb. depending on if we actually get a real winter here in Florida.

Thnx for the replys

 

[TheDarkness]

actually I dont understand the mind of americans and europeans...

to me, as about Natural talk, the hot point of the hobby is the predation...

If I have chance I will throw a cow, or an iguana, or an alligator to my T hunt... huahauahua

obviously, the risk exists, but I'm "inside", I was taking eyes in the "fight"... in really it take 2s, I put the mouse, he walked to direction of T and "ZAP"... he was dominated and poisoned... my heart run away and I'm very happy!!!

a good food to my T, she was 2 week with out food and will pass 2 week or more now without food.... , she is very FAT !!!

about my terraruim, yes, he is plane and only have a small water dish... Lasiodora dont use borrows or shelters, I tryed, and her behaviour is terrestrial, so...

about mouse as food, I dont use this very time, it is very rare, I prefer small ones, but to a lasiodora with 17cm a little baby is ridiculous...

 

[Merfolk]

I still think that the mouse was a thad too big for the spider. I understand all your aguments for the rest. I like them to display agility and fierceness, but I had the same thrills watching my Avic catch a moth in midair. The blood is not the kick!

 

[regalis]

but to a lasiodora with 17cm a little baby is ridiculous...

You can put the baby mouse to a 28cm blondi

 

[Sharpy808]

I just love it when I here people saying the Parahybana don't use burrows. Imo nothing is further from the truth. My came to me raised in a deli cup up to about 3.5". Very little substrate and no digging evidence. Put it in a new enclosure with 5" of coconut husk, and off she went, digging for about 24 hours straight. Moved her to new and final enclosure.. 6" bedding, 10"x10" cork bark, she litteraly dug for about 36 hours non-stop. Took little breaks here and there but dug till it was finished. Mine has a full daily cycle now, spends late afternoon into late evening outside and when the sun starts to come up she hits the burrow for most of the day. She mostly takes her prey inside the burrow and has molted in it everytime. I thinks its a must for this species but thats just my opinion.

As for the mouse.... i really dont care either way... I cant get roaches in FL unless I use wild ones and I DO NOT want a container of them anywhere near my house.. lol.. German roaches down here breed like mad and a couple loose in the house and the next thing I know im callin the Orkin pest man. I feed pinkies to mine from time to time, mostly a mass cricket diet. When I do I normally wont feed it anything thats getting fur, just pinks or a very young fuzzy i.e. very faint fuzz.

GL and it is a nice T

 

[BLS Blondi]

There is nothing wrong with feeding T’s an adult mouse. Not to attack anyone, but killing crickets and pinkies is just as “inhumane” as an adult mouse. Put simply, it is ending a life. As for injury, of course there is the risk of a T getting injured. But let me state this (as I have a million times before): my adult T. blondi ONLY eat adult mice. They do not care for pinkies or crickets. And for those who will talk about the calcium issue or whatever, in my many years of rearing this species, I have NEVER had a problem. Nor has a T. blondi ever been injured by a mouse. Of course, feeding an adult mouse to a 5” L. parahybana is risky, and in this case, common sense needs to be used.

 

[Scott C.]

The T looks healthy, and well cared for regardless of how the cage is set. The title was sufficient to deter the squeamish, and opposed.
Nice T, and pics.
Scott

 

[Derekool]

There is nothing wrong with feeding T’s an adult mouse. Not to attack anyone, but killing crickets and pinkies is just as “inhumane” as an adult mouse. Put simply, it is ending a life. As for injury, of course there is the risk of a T getting injured. But let me state this (as I have a million times before): my adult T. blondi ONLY eat adult mice. They do not care for pinkies or crickets. And for those who will talk about the calcium issue or whatever, in my many years of rearing this species, I have NEVER had a problem. Nor has a T. blondi ever been injured by a mouse. Of course, feeding an adult mouse to a 5” L. parahybana is risky, and in this case, common sense needs to be used.

Thank you!!
I have no problem with feeding live prey but it is still inhumane

 

[azatrox]

Doesn't take a rocket scientist....

Let's see here....Soft tarantula abdomen and hard FULL GROWN rodent teeth....add a splash of violent struggle and a dash of desperate prey fighting for it's life....

As cool and nifty as all that sounds, I think I'll pass...You may be willing to risk your T's life like that, but not I....I have seen firsthand what rodent teeth can do to reptile skin, and I can assure you that a mouse with full grown teeth and a will to live would have absolutely NO problem punching through the soft underbelly of a T....Long story short, 1 gutted arachnid and 1 mutilated dead rodent....

Do what you like, but your T would be just as happy (and quite a bit safer) with a few crickets to munch on....

-Just my .02
-AzAtrox