Dont turn this into a crossbreeding thread Tommy!
well what i got from that sentence is that you have some reading comprehension problems because you missed the main idea of the personal experience explained
It would help us understand you much better. This is also the responce i would hear from a 5 y/o.
first off if it was truly instinct then that would mean 100% of all animals had the ability and they actually don't different animals have different ways of differentiating the person who cares for them from another person which is the thing you fail to consider not only that but it's closed minded in the way that you describe the tarantula as a drone simply because it has a unique system and different aspects of intelligence and you interpret those unique aspects as drone like behavior when in all actuality even psycologists will tell you part of having appropriate cognitive function is having an active memory and in this case differentiating one individual from another without sight is an impressive feat for an instect then you have the fact that in order for any creature to have intelligence there has to be a level of cognitive function because it requires analyzing certain features of a person or a thing and storing them in long term memory
and that's a comeback i would hear from a five year old and the way you spelled the word RESPONSE is definitely infantile come to think of it your entire argumentation tactic is infantile it's no different than social rape in the way that you feel the need to not only act elitist but it parallels child like behavior in the way that you refuse to accept the fact that my point of view will never be the same as yours as a result you began using ad homs as a way to try and change my mind not only that but at this point what you're doing is harassment because i've asked you to stop and yet you continue ruining my thread
i feel the same way about your spelling and your argumentation tactic so yeah im going to take the harsh road now and tell you to shut up since asking you nicely to leave me alone isn't working
But, what if she knows how to work them 8 legs, to get me into the mood? Im not saying its going to happen. Im just saying, 'what if'...Dont turn this into a crossbreeding thread Tommy!
lol thank you!!
Mine grew to around 10.5-11'' and still remains the largest T I have owned, i'm hoping I can bring my Salmon Pink sling to a similar size.
I would also like to have the names of those "excellent" taxonomists you spoke of.Chris, if you'd like to refute my statements, at least provide something to refute it with, instead of your mindless drivel, seeking a laugh.Hey guys, yesterday I walked in my room and my rose hair realized it was me and pulled out it's tennis ball to play fetch. It's awesome, it use to think of me as an owner, but now I think we are on a friend level.
It amazes me what people say about tarantulas.
Oh and Phoenix, your psychology major has just about as much to do with tarantulas as what Frans major was.
Anyway, +1 to Fran and dannyboypede.
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Lol. Yeah we're the ones OVER thinking alright.
lol awww (not be littling the experience at all i truly do think that's the cutest thing i've ever heard ofReally? Because that is the most ridiculous that I have ever heard of. My P. cancerides did the same thing when burrowing. Calling burrowing "playing," doesn't make it playing. When my T's eat crickets, I can call it cuddling, but it doesn't make it cuddling. I think I am going to abandon this thread and spend the rest of eternity crying in a dark hole somewhere...AWWWWWW!!!!!!!! that's the most adorable thing i've ever heard offfffffffff
Humans are the primary animals upon which research is done as far as intelligence goes, so naturally, when people think "intelligence" they think of how we use that word in terms of human intelligence. HOWEVER, much research is done on animals in regard to intelligence, particularly cognitive ability. Mental abilities are studied within species and also in a comparative sense, between species. Included are studies of problem solving, mathematics, and language abilities. Do we discard the idea that an animal is intelligent merely because they are illiterate? After all, literacy is one measure of intelligence in human beings. No we don't. Instead, we compare mental ability across species. While it's true that we generally and primarily think of particular animals (aside from ourselves) as being intelligent, such as apes, chimps, dolphins, elephants, parrots, and ravens, there is no way to accurately measure such a thing. Without any accurate measurement, who's to say?
Tarantulas recognize CHEMICAL SIGNATURES. Their senses are that finely attuned to their surroundings. Humans possess DIFFERENT CHEMICAL SIGNATURES, on their hands. Tarantulas can likely recognize when there is a familiar or unfamiliar CHEMICAL SIGNATURE, thereby differentiating between two different people. And this isn't even going into the sound wave vibrational recognition they possess. Why is that hard for you to understand? Just wondering.
It's a known scientific FACT that tarantulas can distinguish between different CHEMICAL SIGNATURES. How else would they recognize road kill as being something that's edible?When was this proven with science? Where is the scientific paper from and when was it published? :?
Edit: You should try these out, they are free of charge. . ,
Memory is an aspect of intelligence, in particular, one which assists in problem solving ability.I didn't say it couldn't be intelligent simply because it was an animal. I don't need someone else to put words into my mouth, I am fully capable of that myself...thanks anyways
--Dan
Hmmm.... Must be an intelligence issue. I didn't have any problem reading and understanding what was written.
Perhaps you should learn some basic logic. Salsa's talking about logic's use within debate. Science wasn't being denounced at all.All I can say is: USE PERIODS
All I got from that was that now you are making us follow rules that denounce the use of scientific data simply because someone came along and offered a silly personal experience that really doesn't prove anything (other than my point).
--Dan
p.s. the thing after the sentence that lets the reader know that the next sentence is coming, is called a period
Excellently put!I think a lot of the disagreement here is based on nothing but nit picking of terminology, at least I hope so.
While I look at it as rather obvious a T has no concept of the terms 'ownership' or 'who', it also seems obvious that they can correlate a set of sensory parameters and equate/remember a given group or sequence of such with a 'good' or 'bad' outcome ('food' or 'smashed toes'). I further find it likely that a T could correlate a set of those parameters to equate them to the presence of a specific person, they certainly have the sensory 'hardware' necessary to do so. I doubt they perceive this set of correlations into a mental picture of a human but relatively speaking it's easiest for us to look at it this way for purposes of conversation.
I know many claim T's are scientifically proven to be incapable of 'learning' or 'thinking'( doing mazes and such), that they can only be 'conditioned' to exhibit a particular behavior and 'respond' to the particular stimuli. More nit picking, as far as these types of casual discussions are concerned the terms are more or less interchangeable, it's not like this is an academic conference...
I mostly will give someone the benefit of doubt when they say they're T 'knows' them and responds a certain way to them specifically, that they realize it's not 'knowing' in a human sense but 'knowing' relative to how a T would 'know' and that it's just been 'conditioned' to responding to a set of stimuli in the way it's instinct has it wired to do. When some get all ruffled about 'intelligence' applying or not to T's, it's really all about whether the term is being used in a strict scientific definition or as a relative term to place the T somewhere on a scale between a cat and a nematode as far as interpreting stimuli goes.
I see T 'learning/conditioning' all the time, for an easy example many T's are picky about types of food. When I throw in pretty much anything that moves the majority of hungry T's used to getting what they like will give an immediate feeding response, regardless of the type of prey. As soon as they realize it's, say, a type of roach they don't like, they quickly loose interest.
If I keep giving them the undesirables, it doesn't take long before they stop responding. When I then throw in the preferred type of (roach, cricket, worm, whatever), at first I see the same lack of response, but after a small number of times they 'figure out' it's now 'the good stuff' again and go back to the immediate response. After many months/years of this they seem to get better at determining the desirability of what is tossed in on a more or less immediate basis (and act accordingly), rather than the old extremes of 'pounce now, figure out what it is later' or 'ignore it even if it crawls on me'.
I tend to think of this as 'learning', but I guess *technically* it's 'conditioning' and guaranteed someone will jump all over me for using one term but not the other, even though it's pretty clear I mean the same thing either way. So be mindful of how those questions and observations are worded or be ready for the nit pickers...
Bill
Wow! Congratulations! But I'd watch yourself, you could end up with a bigger child support bill than even Bill Gates could handle!
That's interesting, the same thing happened with me. Following the horrible itching resulting from blondi hairs, I became extremely "allergic" to B. boehmei hairs. Prior to that I hadn't had a problem.
I'm certainly not saying they are geniuses. I sent you a PM.phoenixxavierre: Theraphosids are extremly primitive animals and havent evolved for thousands of years. Dont give them to much credit for being intelligent