The real birdeater

[DragonMaiden]

even though my T's aren't in the "wild, I do make their tanks look natural& imitate their environment. I try to give them the best care under these circumstances. Maybe thats why I have a rosie male that is 6 yrs old? I wouldnt feed a T a bird, because I would be afraid of ithe T getting hurt. I also use frozen pinkies not live ~ just my preference to ensure the life of my T's. As I said I would not have done it. I just hope that he takes the risk into account. For the T's sake. But I would like to know how long did it take for the T to eat it. That seemed like a pretty big bird for that T. It is still amazing. To me it doesnt matter if he took the bird or found it on the floor... He has to live with himself. I personally would not do that even if I found the bird on the floor. I love all animals some more than others. I have been known to rescue ferrets, birds and snakes.... nursing them to health and adopting them out. But thats just me! I understand that not everyone in this world is like me or even thinks like me, that is what makes our world soooo interesting & diverse.

 

[Sequin]

Amazing pictures!! i am much too lazy to read the whole thread, so i dont know the arguements. but very cool pics. The after picture was very impressive.. I can never find anything left after feeding my T's, that gives a good idea of it.

~Meagan~

 

[becca81]

But I also keep Madi Hissing roaches and Personally think they are pretty cool... Some end up in my T's fangs. Heck, for that fact even one of my friends ate one. Is that acceptable? Is this argueXXX (discussion) more about verts. vs. exoskels? Is there a differance? Some pinkies also die. My boy wanted a pet mouse. Why didn't you stop the mouse/spider feeding or just leave? Curious?

It certainly wasn't me that fed the mouse to the spider:
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showpost.php?p=499726&postcount=28

 

[liveprey]

People make the distinction because it is doubtful that invertebrates feel pain while it is certain that vertebrates do.

So then if the bird injures or kills the SPIDER there's no pain, just 7 days and nights of rain, and a little less money in his/her wallet. I've been up for the last 20 hours and need some sleep (night shifter). I'm done for now. Someone please take my place and make this the longest thread on this board. Thanks.

 

[Sequin]

Btw, did he feed a few T's birds? The first few pics look like they are avics, and they last look like rosea...

 

[Crunchie]

So then if the bird injures or kills the SPIDER there's no pain, just 7 days and nights of rain, and a little less money in his/her wallet. I've been up for the last 20 hours and need some sleep (night shifter). I'm done for now. Someone please take my place and make this the longest thread on this board. Thanks.

Do a search on invertebrates and pain and there are plenty of responses. Your example highlighed another reason why live vertebrates make less suitable food sources

 

[Sheri]

What someone does in their own home is none of my business. However, once they post pictures on a public forum that can effect a hobby that I enjoy, I take it a bit more personally.

They live in Brasil - not America.
If tarantula husbandry is ever regulated or banned in the USA, it will not be as a result of a south american posting pictures of a tarantula eating a bird on an invertebrate forum.

Although I understand the viewpoint of the people who say, "Why would you do that to the bird," my main concern is what happens to the tarantula. If that bird was alive when presented to the spider, it is likely that it would have fought back and perhaps injured or killed the T. From how I see it, *that* is not cool.

So needless death of only a spider disturbs you? Hard to take someone seriously that can only empathize with half of the equation here.

*IF* you accept that invertebrates do not feel pain, then the death of the spider would be the preferred result if the action is protested under reason of wanton suffering.

 

[DanHalen]

Whether morally wrong or not, to me it just seems a terrible waste of a beautiful creature.

 

[Crunchie]

*IF* you accept that invertebrates do not feel pain, then the death of the spider would be the preferred result if the action is protested under reason of wanton suffering.

Would agree pretty much with that.

 

[becca81]

They live in Brasil - not America.
If tarantula husbandry is ever regulated or banned in the USA, it will not be as a result of a south american posting pictures of a tarantula eating a bird on an invertebrate forum.

I'm referring to an indirect influence on what happens here and did not say that taranutulas would be banned or regulated in the US based on this. People new to the hobby should know that there are dangers involved with feeding vertebrate prey.

So needless death of only a spider disturbs you? Hard to take someone seriously that can only empathize with half of the equation here.

I've already stated that I feel feeding vertebrates is completely unnecessary. I can certainly empathize with both parts of the equation, but the main part that concerns me in this context is the spider. I'm not concerned about the "pain" that the spider would feel (or lack thereof), but see the entire event as putting both creatures at an unnecessary risk.

 

[liveprey]

People make the distinction because it is doubtful that invertebrates feel pain while it is certain that vertebrates do.

I'm back with one question pertaining to inverts and "pain", when I throw a log onto a fire and an ant crawls out of the log why does she run like hell to get out? No pain?

 

[becca81]

I'm back with one question pertaining to inverts and "pain", when I throw a log onto a fire and an ant crawls out of the log why does she run like hell to get out? No pain?

Just because they can't feel pain doesn't mean that they have no survival instinct.

 

[Ewok]

the way I look at it is this bird was from South America, so probably had like a 10% chance or less of surviving another year. the ironic thing is, if the orginal poster decided to let the bird go and not feed it to that morbid spider,it would have flown a few miles away , landed in a tree and got eaten by a snake , frog, monkey , or some other tarantula, or could have died from enviromental poisining, or get hit by a van carrying tarantulas to the airport to be exported.

Also I've seen so many nature shows in my life, i'm a little desensitized to watching a spider eat a bird.
Like I wouldn't have a problem feeding that gecko in Becca's avatar to a spider, i'm sure she would though.

 

[DragonMaiden]

A very unique way of looking at things. Bravo!:clap:

 

[Crunchie]

the way I look at it is this bird was from South America, so probably had like a 10% chance or less of surviving another year. the ironic thing is, if the orginal poster decided to let the bird go and not feed it to that morbid spider,it would have flown a few miles away , landed in a tree and got eaten by a snake , frog, monkey , or some other tarantula, or could have died from enviromental poisining, or get hit by a van carrying tarantulas to the airport to be exported.

Also I've seen so many nature shows in my life, i'm a little desensitized to watching a spider eat a bird.
Like I wouldn't have a problem feeding that gecko in Becca's avatar to a spider, i'm sure she would though.

A daft way of looking at things, change your first "would" to "could" and it'd be more accurate. Just because a wild animal may die in the next day, week, month or year that is no reason to hasten its demise.

 

[Socrates]

Just because a wild animal may die in the next day, week, month or year that is no reason to hasten its demise.

I totally and whole-heartedly agree.

....especially if there are people who are trained to "save" those animals by rehabilitating them.

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Wendy
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[Scorpendra]

i see all of your points. excuse me while i buy a bunch of newborn kittens and loose them into my yard with my dogs.

 

[Ewok]

A daft way of looking at things, change your first "would" to "could" and it'd be more accurate. Just because a wild animal may die in the next day, week, month or year that is no reason to hasten its demise.

nay, I wouldn't say daft,I would say realistic, all those could and would happen, well maybe not the van carrying tarantulas to the airport. hehe

 

[Crunchie]

nay, I wouldn't say daft,I would say realistic, all those could and would happen, well maybe not the van carrying tarantulas to the airport. hehe

I suppose by that logic if one were to catch a tarantula then there'd be no problem feeding it to say a monitor lizard because lets face it... it might die in the next year anyway. Believe me if everyone held that kind of logic (and worse acted on it) the words ecosystems would be in an even worse state than they are already.

 

[Ewok]

I suppose by that logic if one were to catch a tarantula then there'd be no problem feeding it to say a monitor lizard because lets face it... it might die in the next year anyway. Believe me if everyone held that kind of logic (and worse acted on it) the words ecosystems would be in an even worse state than they are already.

yeah but that ultimate male tarantula died so that the almost extinct gravid female monitor could live. Anyways it already bred and has a 1000 sling egg sac being guarded by the female. lol

tsk tsk crunchie how could you leave out these important details lol