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Nivek

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The argument of feeding vertebrate animals to our pets being immoral or cruel is (no offense meant at all) somewhat ignorant. Most of us keep both Invertebrates as well as reptilian pets. I don't think many Boas/Monitors (adult)/Etc. could live off of roaches and mealworms. I disagree with feeding a living vertebrate to something, especially something as fragile as an invert, simply because the prey could win the fight. Regardless of the keeper's reflexes, one quick nip from a mouse and a T could die, the same can be said with reptiles. When you feed anything living you take a gamble (albeit a gamble tilted severely in your favor) with your pets life.
However, I would not hesitate to feed a prekilled F/T bird to a spider if I thought the spider could consume it. Nor would I hesitate to feed a rabbit, rat, bird, even guinea pig or hamster (I have in the past when I ran out of feeders due to a freezer burnout) to my reptiles/inverts. I recognize that the prey can feel the pain, and that it is "inhumane" for it to suffer. However, it is not "inanimal" for it to happen. Animals do not go by our rules, it is the way they are. When I get a new reptile, the first thing I feed it is usually alive, just so I can know if the reptile is healthy enough to be able to "hunt" while after that, I use frozen. I have fed prekilled mice to inverts before, and I probably will in the future. If I find a store selling frozen feeder birds cheaper than the mice they had, I would feed the same T a small bird.


Though...I doubt that the person in question did this because it was the only food item available, but did it just to watch the bird get eaten, that is an entirely different story. As I read a statement by Becca about one of her Birds butchering a Tarantula (figuratively) I felt a bit offended, as I am sure she felt seeing a Bird being killed for the same reason she implied. I agree with feeding vertebrate prey to inverts if nothing else is available, but I see no reason not to prekill it, and I think it is twisted to just do it to watch the carnage.

I apologize for my long post, but I thank anyone who actually read it lol.
 

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-palau- said:
yeah but that ultimate male tarantula died so that the almost extinct gravid female monitor could live. Anyways it already bred and has a 1000 sling egg sac being guarded by the female. lol:rolleyes:

tsk tsk crunchie how could you leave out these important details:rolleyes: lol
ach away wi ye!;P {D
 

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Crunchie said:
ach away wi ye!;P {D

:eek: Are you saying that because you know i'm right? its ok to admit your wrong crunchie i'll still respect ya. but I say och away with ye hehe, j/k

your point does have some valdity , though while i think mines does to , so i'd say 50/50
 

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This is a somewhat surprising thread.
It really shows peoples awareness and perceptions of life. Personally I try to treat all life with a certain level or respect. Life is life. I'm hearing some say that roaches are a "lower" form of life and can't feel pain. I've actually met people that believe that other mammals can't think or feel pain either. :confused:
I've known of people feeding kittens to reptiles. That may disgust people but as others have stated is it really much different than rats, rabbits or pigs?
Perhaps where he lives that species of bird is considered a "pest", perhaps it fell out of the nest and couldn't be put back and would have ended up as snake or hawk food anyway? Was the bird still alive when it was fed to the spider or was it already dead?
I've seen far worse pictures and video on the internet. Whenever you have a group of people who keep carnivorous animals there will always be a few who get off on "the thrill of the kill".
 

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Hey guys!
He's posted this in aracnideos-br too.. and the commentaries was the same.....
I think that this its a "personal feeling" question , and no about right or wrong..
Who like bird , dont will give bird's to T's eat...
Who like roaches , dont will give roaches to T's.....
Who like crickets , dont will give crickets to T's.....
And this is the way.......
So , if i looooooove roaches :? , when i see a pic of a T eating a roache can i tell that's wrong?
so.. isn't about right or wrong.... this is a personal feeling.......

Sorry for my bad english :D

Greetings

Stephan
 

Scorpendra

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while you are correct; the fine line that vaires between us, i think, should definitely have roaches and birds farther away from eachother, if on the same side.
 

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who cares why or what people feed their T's?....is it going to hurt someone elses?....all i gotta say is nice pics....
 

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it's a question of one's morals and ethics. it can be vaguely related to if someone did something like Edward Gein, but it had no connection with you whatsoever.
 

wOohOo

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Molitor said:
while you are correct; the fine line that vaires between us, i think, should definitely have roaches and birds farther away from eachother, if on the same side.
Sure! hehehehehe
But now i want to get some Hot Dogs of Chris NTC too :D
 

wolfpak

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do you like/eat fried chicken? so what's wrong with feeding birds to Ts?
 

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wolfpak said:
do you like/eat fried chicken? so what's wrong with feeding birds to Ts?

hahahaha(hahahahaha(just to make it long enough to post))
 

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Not to derail the debate or anything but is anyone not suprised by how little of the bird is actually left? Considering the size of the t relative to the bird.
 

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E aí the darkness .. vc ta chocando os gringos!


The Brazilians and their diamonds ideas! !!
 

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Thoth said:
Not to derail the debate or anything but is anyone not suprised by how little of the bird is actually left? Considering the size of the t relative to the bird.

i've been pretty surprised to see there was'nt much left of the bird, I almost tought it was a fake !
 

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wolfpak said:
they are not called "BIRD EATERS" for nothing;P
yeah theres a Tarantula called Chicken tarantula, will you give chicken to them ... theres an animal called "diable de Tasmanie" in english i guess it would give something like : Devil of Tasmanie


did'nt know devil were real
 

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jbrd said:
Why ask Why? Nice pics!
would it be cause.. some of them are known as Bird eaters ?
ou cause the bird is bigger than a crikect ? or a roach ?
or just he was suposed to feed the T (wich's very big, is around 22cm!) with another meal ?

Nice pics, as I said before! Next time, offer something different :D
 

dnl

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the quote was to the wrong post.
i think everyone knows wich post i was suposed to do :)
 

harmroelf

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Well,
my opinion about this matter is this: To have a healthy T and ready to mate, you dont need to feed them something special. When you are fair, you would say that you only did this, because you wanted to see what would happen. That is no problem as long as you just say so.
The next question is, can you use such a quite intelligent creature as a bird for your own pleasure? I don't think so. But on the other hand its for the T's owner to decide...
 
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