The real birdeater

[wOohOo]

yeah theres a Tarantula called Chicken tarantula, will you give chicken to them ... theres an animal called "diable de Tasmanie" in english i guess it would give something like : Devil of Tasmanie


did'nt know devil were real

Hehehe yes!!!!
This its a Devil of Tasmanie
If i found some , i'll give to my T

 

[nightbreed]

do you like/eat fried chicken? so what's wrong with feeding birds to Ts?

Yes and yes, I don't chew on its butt while its still alive though

Hehehe yes!!!!
This its a Devil of Tasmanie
If i found some , i'll give to my T

This is a Tasmainian Devil and if you do ever feed one to your T post pics, your T wouldn't last five seconds
Tough little buggers

 

[spideromaniac]

Bacterial infection.....

Feeding live vertebrate = risk of bacterial infection.
Arachnid's reputation lay on our shoulder.
That was not making them look too good.
Its all about common sense.
:wall:

 

[Crimsonpanther]

LMAO.....and this debate still continues to run ? !!!

 

[franco]

NICE!!! :worship:

 

[Dom]

To me it looks like the bird is already dead (maybe I'm wrong) but that seems to be peoples main objection.
Someone mentioned that the last picture wasn't necessary and that it would create negativity for the hobby. Personally I think the last photo was great. I was surprised at how little was left. It shows how effeciently (sp) they use their food.

 

[Blasphemy]

My cat brings me dead birds all the time...hmm

 

[Hedorah99]

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[Nate]

bacteria infections

Feeding live vertebrate = risk of bacterial infection.

All animals are subjected to the possibility of bacteria infections wild or captive. Healthy, well cared for animals fight off most infections on their own. When animals are under distress, open wounds and not cared for properly their immune system are weakened making them more acceptable to infections.

Being “live vertebrate” has nothing to due with it. Bacteria infections can be transmitted through crickets, meal worms and roaches as easily as anything else. In fact researchers are saying they can be hosts to many infections due to the simple fact of mating:

“Considering that the sexes possess different optimal reproductive phenotypes (Rice 1996), we might also expect the trade-off pattern between reproduction and immunity to be sexually dimorphic (Kurtz et al. 2000). In other words, because males are expected to invest more in current reproduction than females (Trivers 1972), fewer resources may be available for immune defense. Consequently, males would suffer higher rates of parasitic infection coupled with a shorter life span (Zuk 1990).”

http://cricket.biol.sc.edu/mousseau/papers/fedorka-zuk-mousseau-2004.pdf

Just because you disagree with it doesn’t mean you can push science in your favor. I wouldn’t recommend anyone to feed a pet snake wild caught birds but the fact is a colony of captive breed rodents can be carriers too.

Unless you are cooking your prey everything has the possibility of being infected. Feeding wild caught prey increases your chances but it is not to 100%. Billions of wild animals are living off of live vertebrate right now. Tarantulas also host antimicrobial protein called gomesin. They are far more equipped for such “wild” diets then you or me.

 

[Hemolymph]

Oh god, cry me a river. Bloody hippys..

Yay for the slaughter of the ol' bird. Lovely pictures !

 

[spideromaniac]

Being “live vertebrate” has nothing to due with it. Bacteria infections can be transmitted through crickets, meal worms and roaches as easily as anything else. In fact researchers are saying they can be hosts to many infections due to the simple fact of mating:

Ok then lets make a little scientific experiment here.
Feed 4 or 5 crickets to a T and open the tank 2 days after and smell the inside of the tank.
Now repeat the same experiment with a mouse or a bird,
leave the left over in the tank for a day or two then smell it.

That my friend is the diference between a invertebrate and a vertebrate.
Nothing to do with bacteria?????:wall: :wall: :wall:

 

[Randolph XX()]

well, all my spiders dump all their remains of food in waterbowls, so i just claen it up straight away
besides, i have isopods in all my tanks, they'll eat any other remains off straight away
there is no difference to me whether i feed inverts or verts to my animals

 

[Crunchie]

There is however a difference between feeding livefood which was bredfor the purpose and plundering the wild for the same thing. There is absolutely no need for people to be feeding wild caught invertebrates/vertebrates. Our ecosystems are in a bad state as it is without people taking what they wish for such a pointless reason as feeding a pet (which can be fed on things readily available from shops).

 

[Nate]

Ok then lets make a little scientific experiment here.
Feed 4 or 5 crickets to a T and open the tank 2 days after and smell the inside of the tank.
Now repeat the same experiment with a mouse or a bird,
leave the left over in the tank for a day or two then smell it.

That my friend is the diference between a invertebrate and a vertebrate.
Nothing to do with bacteria?????:wall: :wall: :wall:

The difference in the smells is due to the fact one cage would contain flesh and the other at worst would contain exoskeleton remains. Rotting flesh stinks more, no argument their. So, is my snake going to die because I feed it live vertebrates?

It will live because of proper husbandry. I wouldn’t leave food remains sitting in the enclosure. Both remains can be hosts to bacteria and parasites, mites for one and maggots/flies for the other but they both have same opportunity to share common bacteria’s.

My point is unless you’re only feeding female invertebrates you have bred yourself in a sterile environment your sharing the same risks as someone feeding vertebrates. Selection and husbandry is what it is all about.

If you don’t like the bird feeding that’s fine. I’m not trying to sell anyone on that point.

 

[chemosh6969]

There is however a difference between feeding livefood which was bredfor the purpose and plundering the wild for the same thing. There is absolutely no need for people to be feeding wild caught invertebrates/vertebrates. Our ecosystems are in a bad state as it is without people taking what they wish for such a pointless reason as feeding a pet (which can be fed on things readily available from shops).

I'm sure that with how bad our ecosystem is in right now that you walk everywhere to avoid squishing a bug since whether it's eaten or squished, it's still dead.

I'm also sure you let mosquitos drink your blood as they need it to survive. We don't want to kill them to ruin the ecosystem anymore.

I'm also sure that where you live had nothing living there before nor does anything you own affect our ecosystem while it was being made or used by you.

Things die. That's is what happens. If the bird didn't get eaten by a spider, I'm sure a cat would've enjoyed it. Let's say the bird somehow survived. Uh oh, it carries the form of bird flu that is transmittable to humans.


Whether something dies because it was plundered for food or it just died in one of the million of other ways things die, it's still dead. That is what happens in our world. If everything could be prevented from dying it wouldn't help our ecosystem either.

 

[Nate]

I'm also sure you let mosquitos drink your blood as they need it to survive. We don't want to kill them to ruin the ecosystem anymore.

I have to make an off topic point regarding the mosquito. They are pestilence and should be destroyed! :evil:

 

[Crunchie]

I'm sure that with how bad our ecosystem is in right now that you walk everywhere to avoid squishing a bug since whether it's eaten or squished, it's still dead.

I'm also sure you let mosquitos drink your blood as they need it to survive. We don't want to kill them to ruin the ecosystem anymore.

I'm also sure that where you live had nothing living there before nor does anything you own affect our ecosystem while it was being made or used by you.

Things die. That's is what happens. If the bird didn't get eaten by a spider, I'm sure a cat would've enjoyed it. Let's say the bird somehow survived. Uh oh, it carries the form of bird flu that is transmittable to humans.


Whether something dies because it was plundered for food or it just died in one of the million of other ways things die, it's still dead. That is what happens in our world. If everything could be prevented from dying it wouldn't help our ecosystem either.

Well thanks a lot for proving my point! Yes the worlds ecosystems are a mess (generally) being an environmental science student for 3.5 years taught me that hense WHY we should be conserving as much as we can.

As I said earlier on in the thread just because an animal may die sooner rather than later is no reason to end its life there and then. Am I allowed to kill any animal I wish simply because it may die soon. Shall we give up the captive breeding of certain species simply because they may go extinct? Your logic is seriously flawed.

Whether something dies because it was plundered for food or it just died in one of the million of other ways things die, it's still dead.

Even if it did die in one of the other million ways you mention at least the ecosystem would have benefited from its death (i.e. some other wild animal would have got a meal). By feeding it to a pet there is nothing going back to the environment and the pet sees hardly any advantage either.

 

[spideromaniac]

The difference in the smells is due to the fact one cage would contain flesh and the other at worst would contain exoskeleton remains. Rotting flesh stinks more, no argument their. So, is my snake going to die because I feed it live vertebrates?

The difference in the smell is due to the fact that rotting flesh is transforming at a microscopic level by unicellular microorganism called bacterias.
This process is called decomposition that is why there is no decomposition if a cadaver is been kept in a solution like Formaldehyde where bacterias will not evolve due to the lack of oxigen.


n. pl. bac·te·ri·a (-tîr-)
Any of the unicellular prokaryotic microorganisms of the class Schizomycetes, which vary in terms of morphology, oxygen and nutritional requirements, and motility, and may be free-living, saprophytic, or pathogenic in plants or animals.

Main Entry: sap·ro·phyt·ic
Pronunciation: "sa-pr&-'fi-tik
Function: adjective
: obtaining food by absorbing dissolved organic material; especially : obtaining nourishment osmotically from the products of organic breakdown and decay
- sap·ro·phyt·i·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb


Main Entry: path·o·gen·ic
Pronunciation: -'je-nik
Function: adjective
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
1 : PATHOGENETIC 1
2 : causing or capable of causing disease
- path·o·ge·nic·i·ty /-j&-'ni-s&-tE/ noun

So these bacterias will feed on flesh and multiply, crickets will dried out and are not as favorable to their development.
Your snake will brake down the tissues internally, the tarantula brake it down externally.
Thats the diference, so your snake will survive :clap: :clap:

Ask Santa for a dictionnary. :wall:

 

[Nate]

TheDarkness, is your buddies T still alive today after this meal?

 

[Asylum-6]

why did you do that

that was cool but what did that baby bird do to you to deserve that ?