Robc bitten by a P.regalis.

[billy28]

Keep hand feeding and you may have to break that promise.


A slightly different direction,

I assume billy28 resides with his parents, are they aware of the potent spiders in the next room?

And yes billy28, when you eventually get bit under the age of 18, several negative things will affect the hobby we all enjoy.

-A hospital trip will cause an investigation, especially if the parents are unaware of the potent spiders.
-Investigation may expose and fine the seller. (Most have age restictions for these species)
-Some politician may pass a by-law restricting species available.

You know you shouldn't be keeping these, you shouldn't even be allowed to buy them. Getting bit at your age could change and affect the hobby.


Note: Sharing the hobby with a parent or sibling of age, could be the exception. But I am guessing that is not the case here.

who are you to say that im hiding a tarantula with significant venom from my parents(wich im not). didn't I already tell you I WILL NOT BE BITTEN BY ANY POKIE REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING. I know most people think that kids, childeren, teens, ect. are nothing but stupid, irresponsible, and immature. most of that is true but some kids are different, like me and that thompson kid are serious enough to keep arachnids like poecilotheria's. By the way, my parents wouldn't sue. who the hell are you today i cant keep the arachnids i want? its not like im sticking my hand an inch away from a venomous tarantulas fangs!

 

[Arachnobrian]

See above post.

 

[billy28]

See above post.

im looking at it

 

[Radamanthys]

who are you to say that im hiding a tarantula with significant venom from my parents(wich im not). didn't I already tell you I WILL NOT BE BITTEN BY ANY POKIE REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING. I know most people think that kids, childeren, teens, ect. are nothing but stupid, irresponsible, and immature. most of that is true but some kids are different, like me and that thompson kid are serious enough to keep arachnids like poecilotheria's. By the way, my parents wouldn't sue. who the hell are you today i cant keep the arachnids i want? its not like im sticking my hand an inch away from a venomous tarantulas fangs!

I know you are serious enough to mantain a Poecilothera sp, no doubt at that. The point is that hand feeding your girl is more dangerous than with tweezers or something, you can't say no to that.

You are confident in yourself and i like that because i was just like that when i was at your age and nobody trusted me. That is veeeery annoying. I have a daughter in law about your age, she is 11 (ok, not so about your age) and she likes me because i simply trust her. When she says she can, i say do it then. When she tries and can't she learns more and more about her limits.

But when you are too confident in yourself, thats a problem. You see, promising that you'll never get a pokie or any T bite is a little overconfident. It's not your decision if you are going to get bit, unless you decide to have all the precautions, and hand feeding is not one. So, at the moment you handfeed your pokie you are taking the serious risk of a bite, liking it or not, specially because you ARE sticking your hand an inch away from a venomous tarantula's fangs.

The people here are just concerned because if you get bitten, at your age... Well, we don't know what will happen to you and your immature body (not mind, your body). Liking it or not, you are biologically (i don't know how to write that in english) a child and your body isn't fully grown and prepared yet. Poecilothera's venom is strong for an adult, for a child it will be even stronger.

And about the responsability... Law say you are "partially responsible for your acts" from 15 to 18. After 18 you are fully responsible (at least in Brazil). Well, i said before, in my opinion age is not a good responsability indicator. But experience, that's a good responsability indicator. You know, laws aren't always right. It's just that with less time to live, you have less time to acquire experience. Seems an easy equation to me.

Just my 2 cents, sorry if it was extensive or confuse

 

[Radamanthys]

I certainly think some 13 year olds are capable of the responsibility of a pokie.

However, if something goes wrong several things will happen without your consent. Because you are under 18, you are still considered a minor.

and i agree with ottawaherp

 

[Arachnobrian]

Hey billy28, how long have you been in the hobby?


My T dealer has a strict policy regarding potent animals,

NO ANIMALS WITH POTENT VENOM WILL BE SOLD TO CUSTOMERS UNDER 18 YEARS OF AGE. If proof of age cannot be provided, we will not sell these animals. We reserve the right to not sell these animals if we have any reason to believe that 1.) the items showing proof of age are not legitimate (forged or stolen) 2.) the animals will be under the care of a minor, or 3.) the purchaser will not care for these animals in a responsible, safe manner.

(borrowed from TC website) and for this policy I am thankful.

 

[Thompson08]

I know you are serious enough to mantain a Poecilothera sp, no doubt at that. The point is that hand feeding your girl is more dangerous than with tweezers or something, you can't say no to that.

You are confident in yourself and i like that because i was just like that when i was at your age and nobody trusted me. That is veeeery annoying. I have a daughter in law about your age, she is 11 (ok, not so about your age) and she likes me because i simply trust her. When she says she can, i say do it then. When she tries and can't she learns more and more about her limits.

But when you are too confident in yourself, thats a problem. You see, promising that you'll never get a pokie or any T bite is a little overconfident. It's not your decision if you are going to get bit, unless you decide to have all the precautions, and hand feeding is not one. So, at the moment you handfeed your pokie you are taking the serious risk of a bite, liking it or not, specially because you ARE sticking your hand an inch away from a venomous tarantula's fangs.

The people here are just concerned because if you get bitten, at your age... Well, we don't know what will happen to you and your immature body (not mind, your body). Liking it or not, you are biologically (i don't know how to write that in english) a child and your body isn't fully grown and prepared yet. Poecilothera's venom is strong for an adult, for a child it will be even stronger.

And about the responsability... Law say you are "partially responsible for your acts" from 15 to 18. After 18 you are fully responsible (at least in Brazil). Well, i said before, in my opinion age is not a good responsability indicator. But experience, that's a good responsability indicator. You know, laws aren't always right. It's just that with less time to live, you have less time to acquire experience. Seems an easy equation to me.

Just my 2 cents, sorry if it was extensive or confuse

I 100% agree with this. Yes we both know how potent poec's venom is but age shouldn't be a good responsibility indicator, only experience should be.

 

[billy28]

I know you are serious enough to mantain a Poecilothera sp, no doubt at that. The point is that hand feeding your girl is more dangerous than with tweezers or something, you can't say no to that.

You are confident in yourself and i like that because i was just like that when i was at your age and nobody trusted me. That is veeeery annoying. I have a daughter in law about your age, she is 11 (ok, not so about your age) and she likes me because i simply trust her. When she says she can, i say do it then. When she tries and can't she learns more and more about her limits.

But when you are too confident in yourself, thats a problem. You see, promising that you'll never get a pokie or any T bite is a little overconfident. It's not your decision if you are going to get bit, unless you decide to have all the precautions, and hand feeding is not one. So, at the moment you handfeed your pokie you are taking the serious risk of a bite, liking it or not, specially because you ARE sticking your hand an inch away from a venomous tarantula's fangs.

The people here are just concerned because if you get bitten, at your age... Well, we don't know what will happen to you and your immature body (not mind, your body). Liking it or not, you are biologically (i don't know how to write that in english) a child and your body isn't fully grown and prepared yet. Poecilothera's venom is strong for an adult, for a child it will be even stronger.

And about the responsability... Law say you are "partially responsible for your acts" from 15 to 18. After 18 you are fully responsible (at least in Brazil). Well, i said before, in my opinion age is not a good responsability indicator. But experience, that's a good responsability indicator. You know, laws aren't always right. It's just that with less time to live, you have less time to acquire experience. Seems an easy equation to me.

Just my 2 cents, sorry if it was extensive or confuse

i specifically said i was not putting my hands an inch away from this t's fangs! and when I said was hand feeding i did not mean that I had my fingers an inch away from my pokies fangs. I meant that i put my hand in the cage and throw the crickets in the demons direction. i have been in the hobby since i was eight, so 5 yrs. i bought it from krazy8s at a herp show

 

[Talkenlate04]

i specifically said i was not putting my hands an inch away from this t's fangs! and when I said was hand feeding i did not mean that I had my fingers an inch away from my pokies fangs. I meant that i put my hand in the cage and throw the crickets in the demons direction

Ahh two pages later you explain what you meant by hand feed..........
I guess that is still hand feeding, you did pick up the food and put it in the tank to be killed.
I guess we all hand feed our Ts if you are using that as your definition.

 

[billy28]

I know you are serious enough to mantain a Poecilothera sp, no doubt at that. The point is that hand feeding your girl is more dangerous than with tweezers or something, you can't say no to that.

You are confident in yourself and i like that because i was just like that when i was at your age and nobody trusted me. That is veeeery annoying. I have a daughter in law about your age, she is 11 (ok, not so about your age) and she likes me because i simply trust her. When she says she can, i say do it then. When she tries and can't she learns more and more about her limits.

But when you are too confident in yourself, thats a problem. You see, promising that you'll never get a pokie or any T bite is a little overconfident. It's not your decision if you are going to get bit, unless you decide to have all the precautions, and hand feeding is not one. So, at the moment you handfeed your pokie you are taking the serious risk of a bite, liking it or not, specially because you ARE sticking your hand an inch away from a venomous tarantula's fangs.

The people here are just concerned because if you get bitten, at your age... Well, we don't know what will happen to you and your immature body (not mind, your body). Liking it or not, you are biologically (i don't know how to write that in english) a child and your body isn't fully grown and prepared yet. Poecilothera's venom is strong for an adult, for a child it will be even stronger.

And about the responsability... Law say you are "partially responsible for your acts" from 15 to 18. After 18 you are fully responsible (at least in Brazil). Well, i said before, in my opinion age is not a good responsability indicator. But experience, that's a good responsability indicator. You know, laws aren't always right. It's just that with less time to live, you have less time to acquire experience. Seems an easy equation to me.

Just my 2 cents, sorry if it was extensive or confuse

im not overly confident. im overly negative about, well...EVERYTHING

 

[billy28]

Ahh two pages later you explain what you meant by hand feed..........
I guess that is still hand feeding, you did pick up the food and put it in the tank to be killed.
I guess we all hand feed our Ts if you are using that as your definition.

i will admit the pokie has attempted to jump on my hand for the crix

 

[Thompson08]

3.) the purchaser will not care for these animals in a responsible, safe manner.

I think that is a load of bs. Just because the person is under 18 yrs of age, doesn't mean that he/she will not care for the animal in the correct way.

 

[T_DORKUS]

I know you are serious enough to mantain a Poecilothera sp, no doubt at that. The point is that hand feeding your girl is more dangerous than with tweezers or something, you can't say no to that.

You are confident in yourself and i like that because i was just like that when i was at your age and nobody trusted me. That is veeeery annoying. I have a daughter in law about your age, she is 11 (ok, not so about your age) and she likes me because i simply trust her. When she says she can, i say do it then. When she tries and can't she learns more and more about her limits.

But when you are too confident in yourself, thats a problem. You see, promising that you'll never get a pokie or any T bite is a little overconfident. It's not your decision if you are going to get bit, unless you decide to have all the precautions, and hand feeding is not one. So, at the moment you handfeed your pokie you are taking the serious risk of a bite, liking it or not, specially because you ARE sticking your hand an inch away from a venomous tarantula's fangs.

The people here are just concerned because if you get bitten, at your age... Well, we don't know what will happen to you and your immature body (not mind, your body). Liking it or not, you are biologically (i don't know how to write that in english) a child and your body isn't fully grown and prepared yet. Poecilothera's venom is strong for an adult, for a child it will be even stronger.

And about the responsability... Law say you are "partially responsible for your acts" from 15 to 18. After 18 you are fully responsible (at least in Brazil). Well, i said before, in my opinion age is not a good responsability indicator. But experience, that's a good responsability indicator. You know, laws aren't always right. It's just that with less time to live, you have less time to acquire experience. Seems an easy equation to me.

Just my 2 cents, sorry if it was extensive or confuse

Radamanthy, For a sleepy guy, you did that very well. Though I must disagree with one thing and that is experience is not necessarily a good indicator of responsibility either. One can be very experienced and still be irresponsible, no? Don't ask me what is a good indicator- I haven't thought about it much and I'm not in a thinking mood! I'm just bored and feeling chatty!

Billy28, I don't think you will find many here who will doubt your skill/dedication/ability to care for T's. But as it has been stated, you are not physically as strong as an adult- no point denying that (unless you weigh about 140 pounds in which case you need to go on a diet!) Would it be advisable to expose a non-adult to the risk of a pokie bite? I'm sure the answer is no. Is there a chance you will be bitten by a pokie in your care? The answer to that is yes (no matter how small a chance you might think it is) but since we can't tell you what you can or cannot do and if we did, you probably would not listen to us anyway- the best we can do is pray you don't get tagged by your pokie.

 

[Arachnobrian]

Well Billy28 my appologies, it apears where you live no age restrictions are in place, as Krazy8's has no age restrictions for potent animals. Go Krazy...


My P. ornata at 4" would take my finger if it was given the chance. It will never get the chance.

 

[billy28]

you guys are all right in one way or another. After today I will probably use 10" tweezers or something

 

[billy28]

Well Billy28 my appologies, it apears where you live no age restrictions are in place, as Krazy8's has no age restrictions for potent animals. Go Krazy...


My P. ornata at 4" would take my finger if it was given the chance. It will never get the chance.

my pederseni is always hiding

 

[T_DORKUS]

Hey RobC, How's the hand coming along? Any other side effects?

 

[ReMoVeR]

you guys are all right in one way or another. After today I will probably use 10" tweezers or something

xD I have one of those, i'm 17(turning 18 really soon (my sweet car coming ). actually they are not 10" but almost 12" =) xD LOL I Have one T-an AVIC I am EXTRA CAREFULL ;O lol but i had handled her. (trust me i read a lot here, i spend all my freetime on my computer almost, at least when i'm home) But some things are never learnt when u read, experience is the key. Is not these months from that i am from being over 18 that will make me more responsible or not. It depends on the individual. If he keeps Ts for over 5 years, besides that he is a kid maybe he has already some experience with them.

//Tiago

 

[Arachnobrian]

I think that is a load of bs. Just because the person is under 18 yrs of age, doesn't mean that he/she will not care for the animal in the correct way.

They only impose this with the animals best interests in mind, and I don't think it is limited to age.

 

[billy28]

xD I have one of those, i'm 17(turning 18 really soon (my sweet car coming ). actually they are not 10" but almost 12" =) xD LOL I Have one T-an AVIC I am EXTRA CAREFULL ;O lol but i had handled her. (trust me i read a lot here, i spend all my freetime on my computer almost, at least when i'm home) But some things are never learnt when u read, experience is the key. Is not these months from that i am from being over 18 that will make me more responsible or not. It depends on the individual. If he keeps Ts for over 5 years, besides that he is a kid maybe he has already some experience with them.
//Tiago

i handle by avics on a regular basis