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ATTN: Poecilotheria owner, breeder or dealer.

Discussion in 'Tarantula Questions & Discussions' started by ClosetCollector, Jan 9, 2014.

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    Wow this is ridiculous, seems like theyre trying to do this with every exotic animal now a days. This should definitely apply to more than just breeders.
  2. Tenevanica

    Tenevanica Arachnodemon

    I just noticed this a few days ago. Are Pokies still legal?
  3. dementedlullaby

    dementedlullaby Arachnobaron

    This post is pretty old and as far as I'm aware they have not passed any laws in the US banning hobbyists from owning Poecilotheria species. Maybe this is different on a state by state basis? Perhaps someone with more knowledge about the current laws will chime in. I'm not American so not 100% sure.

    Still legal in Canada to own them and probably most of Europe.

    I hear Italy might be a different story but I don't care enough to keep up with their laws as I never plan to move to Italy.
  4. Tenevanica

    Tenevanica Arachnodemon

    Yeah, I haven't seen anything that prohibits it here in Colorado at least. It wouldn't surprise me if they're banned somewhere based on the track record that the USDA has. Exotic beetles? BANNED! Exotic millipedes? BANNED! Any and all phasmids? BANNED! I swear, I might move to Canada just so I can keep these animals without shelling out $15,000 for a permit.
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  5. This is because they dont approve of captive breeding? Why the hell not?
  6. dementedlullaby

    dementedlullaby Arachnobaron

    Haha we can't legally own a lot of bugs here as well. Actually the list is probably longer in Canada. We can't own stags/other beetles, mantids, millipedes, dubia (and many other roach species), stick insects. I'm probably missing a bunch of others. Pretty sure you need to be a certified zoo or entomology department. I think also Universities can legally own collections but not sure.

    Anyway it's not so much better across the border either :(.
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  7. Tenevanica

    Tenevanica Arachnodemon

    Jeez, I thought it was just a USA thing. At least we can own all roach species (except in Florida) and mantids. I feel bad for you, I honestly do. I think that these governments need to chill out and trust that the few people that are in to this hobby won't release hordes of insects in agricultural zones. Especially in Canada, where it is too cold for these animals 9 months out of the year!
  8. There has been no ban. I highly recommend following USARK, if you do not already.
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  9. Steve Rankin

    Steve Rankin Arachnopeon

  10. Philth

    Philth N.Y.H.C. Arachnosupporter

    I'm going to cut and paste what I said in the "other thread"...

    A few things...
    • This is a old thread about the potential lose of Poecilotheria in U.S. collections due to the ESA listing of 11 Poecilotheria species from from 2 years ago. It has since fell through, so no point in commenting here about it anymore.
    • On a related topic, recently 5 Peocilotheria species from Sri Lanka were put on the chopping block again by the USFWS for the ESA. There were many threads here and on Facebook encouraging people to take action when it was needed. The time to do that is also over, so if you are now upset, outraged, or just want to help, you already missed the boat. The judgment on that one is still pending.
    • I agree this thread has nothing to do with handling, but since this thread no longer has a relevant topic, what makes the difference lol.
    Later, Tom
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  11. This is very much the same thing that is happening in the fishing world. "If the crown pleases, may I fish in such and such a spot?" Keep in mind to follow the money. Catch shares are driving the "Marine Protected Environments"
    How does this tie into T's? I'll tell you...the "science" Same scheme, different venue. Keep your powder dry gentlemen.
  12. dord

    dord Arachnopeon

    I know this thread is old and it never passed but I'd just like to add the Simandoa conserfariam incident... It's extinct in the wild but is being kept alive by hobbyists. Perhaps one day this species can be reintroduced to Africa.
  13. advan

    advan oOOo Staff Member

    This is still coming.......
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  14. Lost Patient

    Lost Patient Arachnopeon

    If anything the hobby is protecting these species by producing thousands of captive breed offspring. Without captive breeding efforts nothing could be done to reintroduce species once they are extinct in the wild. Maybe this would be a good valid argument to bring up if any of you are going to submit comments.
  15. MetalMan2004

    MetalMan2004 Arachnolord

    It officially just got real.
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  16. dord

    dord Arachnopeon

    Yeah... I just heard that starting on the 30th Poecilotheria ornata, smithi, subfusca, and vittata are being banned from interstate trade. Came here to see if there was any discussion about it. They have to be insane to think damaging the captive population of these species will save them.
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  17. Ungoliant

    Ungoliant Malleus Aranearum Staff Member

  18. violetsun5

    violetsun5 Arachnopeon

    The weird thing about this to me is the species selected.

    P Ornata is arguably not endangered, though its range is under threat, as is the range of every other organism in that region. It's listed, yet P Metallica--which has less than 100 wild members left--is not. Several other very critically endangered species were not listed, either. Which makes me wonder if the true motivation behind the law change was money, not animal welfare.
  19. This is very sad indeed....without us breeding poecilotheria their habitat will continue to be destroyed and they will disappear forever.....such a sad thought that these magnificent creatures may not be around forever all because of mankinds greed
  20. ErinM31

    ErinM31 Arthropodess Arachnosupporter

    I certainly agree the laws are not rational and do nothing to protect the species, but I don’t believe every country has such restrictions and it is still legal to own them in the States, so hopefully all five species will continue to be bred in captivity and not be in danger of extinction.
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