Ts as feeders for other Ts

[Fran]

I mean, CUPCAKES?

Come on.

If you didnt get the example, no matter how many times I explain it to you, you wont get it. Nothing I can do about it.

As of the people saying Im leaving and they dont? True.

 

[mitchrobot]

As for cupcakes. I never liked the idea of cupcakes. I think they are little imposters that want to be actual cakes. Cupcakes are a lie.

although cupcakes may be a lie, i feel their value is a food source for Ts is yet to be thoroughly explored for use as a staple, but no doubt it would lead to some of the fattest Ts on the planet. too many damn carbs.

now, with the cupcake talk one and done ...

fran, a fresh, fat and loaded MM wont always just have breeding on his mind. ive been through bucket loads of MMs over the last couple years and can honestly say that some, very few, but some think "food" not "mate". a friend of mine lost a big female t.spinipes to the biggest MM of that species ive ever seen, that male performed wonderfully with my girl, but for whatever reason he munched my friends, go figure. ive had a couple psalmos get defensive, but thats about it.
i think what Protectyaaaneck was trying to say, and i agree 100% is that there is ALWAYS a risk, no matter what the conditions, to both spiders when two Ts are put together.

now, im one of those guys who feeds off MMs. typically when theyre so old they fart dust. by this point they are usually skinny weak things, that no longer have breeding or anything on their mind. IMO they pose little threat (i still say threat though). less of a threat then a healthy fat male.
whether or no a MM is a 'better' meal than any amount of roaches to a possibly gravid female, i dont know. but ive noticed, if the girls eat the boys, im more likely to get a sac out of them, its not always fertile, but its a sac. this might be anecdotal. maybe it has to do with such a big meal, or hormones or something they get out of the body, or because theyre eating the guts, lungs, meat and rest of the building blocks to make more of them...i dunno. just something ive noticed, summed up, atleast with my females, when the MMs get eaten, i feel ive got a much better chance of them dropping. do i have any science to back this up? nope. just my humble opinion

now....why breed Ts im just going to feed off? because i like breeding Ts, gives me a sense of accomplishment when i get a good hatch, like to make some cash from the hobby i love. in silly jumbo sized sacks of low price species, i sell what i can, and let the babies do their thing to drop the numbers for me, i end up with a more manageable number of FAT big babies. still sell plenty, just dont have to mess with a trillion of them because i prefer not too. wouldnt ever freeze them or anything, but i personally dont see anything wrong with letting them eat themselves down to a number i can manage. a little barbaric? to some maybe, i dont personally think so.

MetalheadRAM, i just dont like the idea of letting a MM go to waste or wither away.

 

[jebbewocky]

I think another issue is that Fran and Jason come at this from a fundamentally different opinion on whether or not a dying MM constitutes a risk to a female or not. IMO--the risk is greater than feeding a roach, so I'm not going to do it. Beyond that, your T, whatever.

 

[LV-426]

I think almost everyone on this board had the thought pass through their minds' at one time or another. I can understand doing it one time with the MM scenario or just out of curiosity (everone gets a get outta jail free card), but more than once just to do it possibly shows you do not place any values on the Ts you keep. If your gonna do it just keep it to yourself.

 

[Travis K]

This whole debate is FAILOR

There is no difference between Tarantulas and Roaches other than the emotional importance to said individuals.

Why must we anthropomorphize invertabrates, especially one over another? <--- kinda shows which side of the fence I am on.

For some people this is strictly a biological/scientific hobby, for others it is a Pet(biggest anthropomorphizers) hobby, and still others a little bit of both. There really is no point in arguing about this issue, it just makes for pages and pages of the same crap.

Enjoy your useless arguing on this one...

Cheers,

 

[LV-426]

This whole debate is FAILOR

There is no difference between Tarantulas and Roaches other than the emotional importance to said individuals.

Why must we anthropomorphize invertabrates, especially one over another? <--- kinda shows which side of the fence I am on.

For some people this is strictly a biological/scientific hobby, for others it is a Pet(biggest anthropomorphizers) hobby, and still others a little bit of both. There really is no point in arguing about this issue, it just makes for pages and pages of the same crap.

Enjoy your useless arguing on this one...

Cheers,

You said it the best my friend:clap:

 

[AmbushArachnids]

T nymphs make excellent feeders for tiny slings. my elegans slings have been growing like weeds lately as theyve been getting part of the herd of NC nymphs i have.

Next time you decide to feed one off send me a PM. Ill pay shipping for you to send me them. Ill even send you 10 baby lateralis for each one.

 

[Protectyaaaneck]

Freezing is the most humane way of killing a sick T.

It is? You know this, how?

 

[MetalheadRAM]

Because I've watched crickets squirm when my Tarantula eats them, which leads me to believe that they are alive and in pain (and scared if you believe that all animals feel fear) for a short time after the attack.

As far as I know, when a Tarantula (or anything) is frozen, its body functions are slowed to the point where it falls asleep, then it dies. To me, that is more humane.

Side note:

All of my posts have been my opinion, my objective isnt to convince you that your wrong, but rather to state ideas that you may not have thought of yet. My best interest is not being right, but rather in the tarantulas, and I only hope my comments are constructive to their well being.

 

[esotericman]

The idiot in question has been known to feed off B. albopilosum spiderlings and G. rosea, because they have no "worth". If you want to know who it is, just ask Stan, he lurks around here.

To discuss feeding tarantulas to anything on a tarantula discussion forum is going to get people fired up, just as much as talking about dog fighting on a dog site. Shocking, I know, but obviously better than 90% of enthusiasts are not enthusiastic about killing tarantulas.

Conversely, eating cupcakes is OK to talk about on cupcake sites.

 

[arachnidsrulz12]

wat the hell

 

[arachnidsrulz12]

bad bad bad bad bad

 

[Protectyaaaneck]

bad bad bad bad bad

Holy cow, that was an insightful post.

Got anything better to contribute?

 

[Mr. Irminia]

Well i rather enjoyed reading all the opinions on this subject. But all of this has made me want to ask a question.Has anybody that thinks freezing t's is a humane way to disspose of unwanted t's been frozen before? If you actually took the time to think about what happens when you get cold, and possibly cannot escape. First your extremities become so cold that they feel like they are burning, then theres the uncontrolable shivering,soon would follow an incoherant state of mind while possibly hallucinating(not saying t"s would have hallucinations or shivers).All this before you body finally shuts down. IMO this is not a more humane way to kill anything. Personally i think that being frozen to death would be a painfull way to die and would wish this on no creature.This is not meant to stir the pot i just dont understand some peoples logic.

 

[Fran]

Well i rather enjoyed reading all the opinions on this subject. But all of this has made me want to ask a question.Has anybody that thinks freezing t's is a humane way to disspose of unwanted t's been frozen before? If you actually took the time to think about what happens when you get cold, and possibly cannot escape. First your extremities become so cold that they feel like they are burning, then theres the uncontrolable shivering,soon would follow an incoherant state of mind while possibly hallucinating(not saying t"s would have hallucinations or shivers).All this before you body finally shuts down. IMO this is not a more humane way to kill anything. Personally i think that being frozen to death would be a painfull way to die and would wish this on no creature.This is not meant to stir the pot i just dont understand some peoples logic.

A spider has nothing to o with a human being.

The T probly wont feel any of those named feelings and most certainly are not interpreted the way we humans will interpreat the situation.

However, been eating alive could be slower and more suffering for the animal.
Any way,its stupid to feed them off, no matter how you look at it. IMO.

 

[Mr. Irminia]

IMO t's do feel pain and freezing would not kill them quickly, they would be in extreme distress before they finally die.

 

[xhexdx]

IMO t's do feel pain and freezing would not kill them quickly, they would be in extreme distress before they finally die.

Unfortunately, your opinion on whether tarantulas feel pain or not doesn't matter. It's whether they actually feel pain or not that matters.

Tarantulas and other invertebrates don't have a complex nervous system like vertebrates do. Freezing a vertebrate is extremely inhumane, but freezing an invertebrate is the most humane way of euthanizing them.

Freezing invertebrates is the most recognized and accepted method of euthanization.

 

[Mr. Irminia]

freezing an invertebrate is the most humane way of euthanizing them.


were is the data to support this?just because it is the most recognized doesnt mean it is the best way.

 

[MetalheadRAM]

The point was not that it was the most humane way, but rather that it was more humane than feeding them to another T.

 

[Mr. Irminia]

personally i think that freezing is the best way for the enthusiast, you put the T in the freezer and shut the door. You do not se the spiders reaction to this method and thus makes it humane in the fact that you did not see it suffer.