T. Blondi Meets unlucky Anole !

[xgrafcorex]

food

so far ive only fed mine crickets that eat flukers orange cube complete cricket diet

 

[nightbreed]

I feed live verts. That's my story. I see no reason not too. I don't sit around and ooooh and aaaah while they eat, I do not do it because that's what they do in nature, and I don't do it to be cruel. I do it because I have the extra pinkies, my T's won't take prekilled, I've never had one lose any body part in the 10 plus years that I've kept them, and they do eat them. I've noticed the first ones to chime in on threads like this are the ones that are against. Why not just leave it alone? Why post if all you're going to do is flame someone for the way they feed a T? It's been said before and it hasn't changed anything yet. What's the point of a negative comment if you know before hand that it will do absolutely no good whatsoever? If you feel you must post something, why not post something that will make a difference, like if someone is keeping their T in a detrimental manner? If it isn't hurting the T just leave it alone. The prey are supposed to get hurt so I think that is a moot point, death is not benificial to any animal. I know that what I am saying is falling on deaf ears and I know there will be more posts on this but it is worth a try anyway. Rehashing the same old same old doesn't work. If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got. The definition of futility is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. What result is everybody aiming for here? All I am saying is, we are all in the hobby together so we should try to encourage one another and teach one another. Can we try that for a little while?

Did you actually read my first post in this thread? All I said was "waste of a cute anole, nice T though" (complete with smileys, so that no one would take offence) and I left it at that, the reason I said waste of an anole is because they are not native over here and are more likely to be a pet than food.
So I didnt flame anyone.

I only started moaning when you chimed in with "We try to recreate their environment as faithfully as possible and then restrict their diets? I think if the environment is to be complete, the prey items should also be included."
which is frankly nonsense, these animals aren't in the wild, and I doubt very much if they have live pinkies handed to them when they are :wall:

I explained why I commented in my third post, and I even apologised to you for possibly missunderstanding your post.

And if you read post #25 I mostly agreed with you, I just clarified some points, again how was I flaming anyone? :?

I only started being a little sarcastic, when a certain person was rude to me and they even had to have a post edited, so which side in this thread was flaming who?

And yes we are all in this hobby together, and I do encourage people and try to educate them, what do you think I've been trying to do in this thread?

And just because a few people are set in their ways doesnt mean that I should give up, there are noobs arriving on this board all the time and I may of helped one decide whether to feed verts (live or dead) to their T's.

In closing, I get the feeling that you aren't actually reading my posts, if you read them again you'll see that when I was replying to your posts, I conceded that you had some good points and agreed with you a lot of the time, and I still get accused of flaming

P.S where is it written in the rules of the universe that the prey has to suffer?

 

[Python]

I was making a general statement. That's why I used general terms instead of specific names. Also I thought I had cleared up my position on keeping their environment natural. As far as reading your posts is concerned, I have read all of your posts on this thread. I have also read all the others. So if something I said did not apply to you, maybe it did to someone else. After all you aren't the only one posting on this. I suppose I could have been more specific and called names but I assumed everyone would get the point. By the way, if you can find some info on shipping overseas, I could probably send you some anoles (if I can run them down, I am a little more out of shape than they are) if you want some. If so just let me know and we can work on that instead. I much prefer to send someone something that isn't always available to them than to argue about something.

P.S. If there's anything else I might be able to get for you just let me know. We get out a great deal to do some collecting and regularly come across scorps, lizards, and snakes. Sorry we don't have T's around here.

 

[nightbreed]

Sorry if I assumed you were referring to me, lets just call a truce shall we?

I'm very tempted to accept your offer to send some anoles, but I get the feeling that mailing the little blighters would be an absolute nightmare, what with customs and everything, thanks for the offer though

Anyway thanks again
Peace

 

[Python]

I"m not sure what it would take to mail them over, I've never attempted to mail anything overseas before. I can check into it though.

 

[InvertConvert]

I only started being a little sarcastic, when a certain person was rude to me and they even had to have a post edited, so which side in this thread was flaming who?

I was not being rude ( nor am I flaming anyone)I was simply stating my opinion and you took it personally. You seem to have come back wanting to argue so I obliged. I also never said anything about large rodents either. ..So anyways enough said . To each his own

P.S I edit cause I don't know exactly how this posting thing works exactly and I wanted to fix something..lol.

 

[Windchaser]

This thread is one of those that has the potential to get out of hand. Any issues where someone has crossed the line have already been dealt with by the moderators. So for everyone's sake, don't assume a comment made in a post was directed at you, unless you were specifically mentioned. If we all keep this in mind, this thread will remain civil, which so far it has. If it does start to spiral out of control, it will be locked.

 

[JJJoshua]

Given the unpredictability of T's I would probably NOT feed large prey items such as mice, lizards, etc to my T's with exception of maybe my blondi. I don't know how many times I've put crickets in my T's cages and they just weren't hungry and totally ignored the crick and wanted nothing to do with it. Now when I place prey into the cage, I expect the T to eat it, and if it doesn't no harm, I just remove the prey. But it would be harder with something like a mouse or anole. You have a prey item that can potentially harm your T, and really the only way to find out if the T is going to eat it is if they have a confrontation. So what if your T doesn't want to eat ATM, and now you have an angry T, and a scared prey item. You then have to intervene, and possibly all parties involved could get injured. The risk of injury just from this seems too great to even bother feeding large prey items, regardless of whether your T wants to eat or not.

I fed a live pinkie to my rosie before. She seemed happy (a whole 'nother can of worms, yes I know, they don't have emotions, blah blah) to have such a nice meal. I felt kinda bad for the pinkie, but I bought the pinkie, and certainly did not want to care for or raise it, so there was only one way out for it in my eyes.

I will always feed live prey though. I will not feed live, potentially dangerous prey however. I will not prekill prey, or injure them to give my T an easier time. Because I don't need to as the prey I feed does not pose a large threat.

People who feed their T's, snakes, scorps, etc large potentially dangerous prey for some sort of coolness thing will always exist. And I will agree, it does look cool, when everything you expect goes right. But these T's are the property of their owners, and so is the prey they buy, and they have a right to feed whatever they want to their T. I may not agree with it, but that's why we have arachnoboards, to educate the uneducated about exotic pets.

 

[xgrafcorex]

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i see the point of the people saying they dont feed inverts. used to be vegan haha but i cracked after a few years. but i have to say that i believe part of the lure of tarantulas is that they have large fangs and eat small animals(has to be true for all of us. for the "entertainment" comments) if you werent entertained by your t why would you own it? feeding is just one of the more exciting aspects of their care. most of the day my t sits there. i guess it might do more at night but i am not watching then. and yea i admit i am fascinated watching them eat, whether it be a cricket or something larger. its not a poodle. i havnet fed my 1(tomorrow 3!!!) anything larger than a medium cricket. but its still not very big anyway, 3" legspan. humans love competition, it intrigues us, and thats what it basically is. im not saying try and test your t's might haha but thats just how is see it. just thought id throw that in cause i havent hear anyone mention it..