T. Blondi Meets unlucky Anole !

[surena]

I like to feed him pinkie mice, but I have to have some practice trying to trick him into taking a thawed-out pinkies. The anole was purchased as "Feeder Anole" which for some reason when labeled "Feeder Anole" they are half the price. I can see how some of you might be in disapprove of feeding Anole, because of various reasons as they are cute, alive, ect... But let me ask you this. Someone out there that keeps crickets and roaches as pets would have the same problem with you feeding them to your Ts !

 

[Python]

Someone out there that keeps crickets and roaches as pets would have the same problem with you feeding them to your Ts !

Good point. What is the difference between a wild T catching a lizard and a caprive T catching a lizard? I don't do it for entertainment as I am often feeding something else when my T's eat live prey so I don't even see it. I use what is available. I have fed my T's live pinkies because that's what I had available. I get them for free so I see no sense in letting a free food source go to waste. Also I don't see a difference between letting a snake kill a mouse in captivity and letting a T do it ( or anole or whatever). I have snakes that will not go near pre-killed and I have T's that are the same way. So my big question now is, should I take a snake that only eats live mice and let it starve to death because it is only for entertainment that most people feed live or should I let it go even though its abberant coloration would make it a meal to something as soon as I walk away? I don't know where the line is drawn or gets to draw it but the way I see it, there is nothing wrong with feeding an animal something it will eat.

 

[Python]

I just really hate it when people try and justify it as being "more natural" ohhh that pisses me off :evil:

I wasn't trying to justify anything by the way. I was simply wondering what the difference is. Why is no one jumping up and down about lights for a burrower? It is strictly for the owners benefit same as live feeding as you say. Lights could stress out a T if it's a nocturnal species, am I right? For some reason though I haven't seen any soapboxes setup for that issue. I feel if you want to condemn one action, you mioght as well condemn all actions the same way. Lets all get together and try to ban all activities that a T doesn't need then the world will be a better place.

 

[nightbreed]

I wasn't trying to justify anything by the way. I was simply wondering what the difference is. Why is no one jumping up and down about lights for a burrower? It is strictly for the owners benefit same as live feeding as you say. Lights could stress out a T if it's a nocturnal species, am I right? For some reason though I haven't seen any soapboxes setup for that issue. I feel if you want to condemn one action, you mioght as well condemn all actions the same way. Lets all get together and try to ban all activities that a T doesn't need then the world will be a better place.

OK, if I missunderstood your point I apologise.

 

[nightbreed]

Good point. What is the difference between a wild T catching a lizard and a caprive T catching a lizard? I don't do it for entertainment as I am often feeding something else when my T's eat live prey so I don't even see it. I use what is available. I have fed my T's live pinkies because that's what I had available. I get them for free so I see no sense in letting a free food source go to waste. Also I don't see a difference between letting a snake kill a mouse in captivity and letting a T do it ( or anole or whatever). I have snakes that will not go near pre-killed and I have T's that are the same way. So my big question now is, should I take a snake that only eats live mice and let it starve to death because it is only for entertainment that most people feed live or should I let it go even though its abberant coloration would make it a meal to something as soon as I walk away? I don't know where the line is drawn or gets to draw it but the way I see it, there is nothing wrong with feeding an animal something it will eat.

I dont see the difference between a snake or a T killing a mouse either, they are both equally cruel and in most cases unnecessary, I have a few snakes and they all eat F/T mice and rats

Nope you shouldnt let your snake starve, if there is no option than to feed live food then go for it, but if there is an alternative then IMO you should take it, and you should make every effort to switch it to prekill.

My stance on the subject is this, If you're feeding live verts because you have no other option and its in the best interest of your predator then fine.
If you're doing it for entertainment or because you are to lazy to switch your animals to prekill then IMO thats wrong, but hey thats just my opinion.

And yes, I'm sure there are people that would see feeding cricks and roachs as cruel, but the plain and simple fact is, inverts dont feel pain verts do.

 

[Windchaser]

I dont see the difference between a snake or a T killing a mouse either, they are both equally cruel and in most cases unnecessary, I have a few snakes and they all eat F/T mice and rats

Nope you shouldnt let your snake starve, if there is no option than to feed live food then go for it, but if there is an alternative then IMO you should take it, and you should make every effort to switch it to prekill.

My stance on the subject is this, If you're feeding live verts because you have no other option and its in the best interest of your predator then fine.
If you're doing it for entertainment or because you are to lazy to switch your animals to prekill then IMO thats wrong, but hey thats just my opinion.

And yes, I'm sure there are people that would see feeding cricks and roachs as cruel, but the plain and simple fact is, inverts dont feel pain verts do.

The frozen mice or whatever are killed just the same. Either way, they are dead. Unless they are somehow killed "nicely", the end result is much the same, isn't it?

 

[surena]

I agree Windchaser.
Getting off the topic a little. I have a plan, and I was wondering if anyone has done this with success ! I want to attach the pinkie to a small string and see if my Tarantula will pick it up if I move it around the tank any other ideas as to how to make the dead prey more realistic and alive ?

 

[brachy]

hi
I saw pic when T. blondi eat small chick. That was very brutal. :evil:

 

[Huk7]

I've found that my Blondi will quite happily take defrosted mice if I just leave them at the entrance to her burrow. I have also found this with a few other T's I've had.

They generally pick them up during the night.

Just a thought!

 

[surena]

Hey guys. It worked. It took me about 10 minutes though. But he picked it up at last. next time I'll try Fuzzies

 

[Crunchie]

I agree Windchaser.
Getting off the topic a little. I have a plan, and I was wondering if anyone has done this with success ! I want to attach the pinkie to a small string and see if my Tarantula will pick it up if I move it around the tank any other ideas as to how to make the dead prey more realistic and alive ?

I usually just leave mice lying in the tank and the tarantulas will pick them up no problem. There's no reason to think yours wouldn't do the same

 

[nightbreed]

The frozen mice or whatever are killed just the same. Either way, they are dead. Unless they are somehow killed "nicely", the end result is much the same, isn't it?

Yep dead is dead, but given the choice I'd go with carbon dioxide poisoning where you just go to sleep, over being crushed or eaten alive by a large predator, but maybe thats just me.

 

[jbrd]

I think i will go out into the wild and look for some pre-killed prey items for my T tonight............. ;P

 

[nightbreed]

I think i will go out into the wild and look for some pre-killed prey items for my T tonight............. ;P

If you want your T to live "naturally" you might want to just release it while you're out, or if you want "natural" you could get a hold of a pepsis wasp for your T to play with.

Why is it people only scream "nature" when it comes to entertaining prey items for their T, never when it comes to their T's natural predators?

 

[jbrd]

If you want your T to live "naturally" you might want to just release it while you're out, or if you want "natural" you could get a hold of a pepsis wasp for your T to play with.

Why is it people only scream "nature" when it comes to entertaining prey items for their T, never when it comes to their T's natural predators?

why do people cry over a stupid mouse or an anole? Besides when did i ever say i was doing it for entertainment puposes? well? when? Besides why feed a dead animal when live is better for them.
When i hear a better argument i'll add my two cents again.

 

[Windchaser]

Let's keep things civil folks.

 

[nightbreed]

why do people cry over a stupid mouse or an anole? Besides when did i ever say i was doing it for entertainment puposes? well? when? Besides why feed a dead animal when live is better for them.
When i hear a better argument i'll add my two cents again.

Prove that live is better for them.
Have you got scientific studies to back that up or is it just your opinion?
Do you have a better argument?

By the way who said I was crying? I just believe that if an animal has to die to feed my pets then it might as well pass in a humane way.

Why dont you care about another animals suffering?

P.S I am being civil

 

[Windchaser]

Yep dead is dead, but given the choice I'd go with carbon dioxide poisoning where you just go to sleep, over being crushed or eaten alive by a large predator, but maybe thats just me.

Yes, I wouldn't necessarily want to be taken out by some big predator either. But I will admit that I don't see the feeding of live prey to be all that wrong. Nature and the world in general are harsh. I think we try to santitize it a bit too much and then act shocked about something such as a predator taking down prey. That is not saying that we should go out and torture animals, but at times nature can be brutal. A predator taking down prey is just that, nature at its harshest.

 

[nightbreed]

I've had this debate before so I'm getting a sense of deja vu, if anyone interested read this thread >here< it pretty much covers all the bases

Take care.

 

[jbrd]

Prove that live is better for them.
Have you got scientific studies to back that up or is it just your opinion?
Do you have a better argument?

By the way who said I was crying? I just believe that if an animal has to die to feed my pets then it might as well pass in a humane way.

Why dont you care about another animals suffering?

P.S I am being civil

Oh here we go with the "scientific studies" BS! Do you have proof to back up your opinion ? Give me a break everyone knows live food is better for them, i dont hear of people freezing there crics for full size T's. do you?
I said you were cryin, whats more humane? freezing an animal to death or from venom from a Taratula snake etc etc....... Besides doesnt it take longer to freeze to death?
and for your info i wouldnt let any animal suffer what so ever.

P.S.S me too.