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Arachnoknight
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But you know there are hundreds or thousands of breeders who doesn't have youtube channel .?
Yes, we do know. But are they making videos that new hobbyists see? No. What you do behind closed doors is your own problem. Making videos and showing it to people on the internet for people to mimic and trying to justify yourself is a complete different story.But you know there are hundreds or thousands of breeders who doesn't have youtube channel .?
It's one thing to care for an animal with methods different from the 'accepted' methods within this community, so long as the animal stays healthy. It's also one thing to create entertaining videos for viewers where you manipulate the animal in such a way that allows you to record better footage. However, it's another to do things that put animals in unnecessary risk, or knowingly create hybridized animals. To then film those things and release the footage to an audience the size of his following is plain irresponsible. A lot of his viewers do not even keep tarantulas, they simply like his content. He is essentially misinforming people beyond the bounds of other tarantula keepers.I really don't understand this thread. Guy just have a entertaining youtube channel about something we like. But no, he have to do thing like this, not like that. Omg if you don't like it just don't watch it. And don't worry, you will not get his sling in US.
Just keep doing you and release about 1000% more videos.I've been supping. What would you like know?
One of the reasons i started in this hobby a year ago were his videos, i found them funny and he seemed to know what he was doing, but i have to be honest, since he moved to the new place, it looks like he just makes videos for the likes and to get more subscribers, handles a lot, and does a lot of stuff that if find weird, or just plain bad for the Ts.
Pd:sorry for my english
So, he says that he is 'strongly against' creating hybrids, but he is going to go ahead and do it anyway? Why does anyone need any more reasons than this to not support, or defend, him? Why does saying that he is a poor example of tarantula keeping create so much backlash when he displays that complete lack of good judgement when it comes to these animals and the hobby? Why is he not embarrassed? Does doing stupid things that you think is wrong on YouTube pass for transparency nowadays?Got a New Reply from him, He states:
Oh I stated in multiple videos that I'm strongly against hybrids, will of course talk about this in the breeding video ^^
I think you should give newbies more credit than what I've been reading. To believe we would ignore everything we've learned from from the likes of Tom Moran and forums like this one, is somewhat absurd. Perhaps your giving Dark Den way too much credit. He has some legit videos, but no one sees him as an idol. At least not in the states...I’m not sure what you’re not understanding? It’s mentioned multiple times that people will copy what they see, especially if it’s from their ‘idol’. Sure he’s not doing it in the US, but that doesn’t mean people in the US (or anywhere for that matter) won’t copy him. I’m not going to repeat everything I said before because I’m sure everyone understands it, but disclaimers are necessary to make sure people understand what he’s doing isn’t always ‘right’.
Have you read some of the comments on his videos? I'm not bashing every new person in the hobby and not every new person in the hobby is like you. From my experience posting something on his videos, as well as other replies posted on @Liquifin's comments, I don't think I am. Sure there are a good amount of people who will do the research before getting one, but just like in any other hobby, there are others that won't.I think you should give newbies more credit than what I've been reading. To believe we would ignore everything we've learned from from the likes of Tom Moran and forums like this one, is somewhat absurd. Perhaps your giving Dark Den way too much credit. He has some legit videos, but no one sees him as an idol. At least not in the states...
Plus even if someone like Tom Moran posted a video on how he's realized all tarantulas can and should be handled. Do you think we would go ahead and do as told? That's a negative...and this is coming from a newbie.
Let me clarify this...Tom Moran has never ever said anything of that nature. If you read my comment you will notice I wrote "If" before I made that statement. It was given as an hypothetical example.Have you read some of the comments on his videos? I'm not bashing every new person in the hobby and not every new person in the hobby is like you. From my experience posting something on his videos, as well as other replies posted on @Liquifin
What video was that? I watch all of his videos, and he didn't say that all can be handled, he said some are more than others, but he doesn't speak on the matter really.
Whoops, my apologies, read through that too fast. I blame the coffee...Let me clarify this...Tom Moran has never ever said anything of that nature. If you read my comment you will notice I wrote "If" before I made that statement. It was given as an hypothetical example.
I think a lot of the people who jump to his defence without question, will likely be very young, probably 14 and under.Have you read some of the comments on his videos? I'm not bashing every new person in the hobby and not every new person in the hobby is like you. From my experience posting something on his videos, as well as other replies posted on @Liquifin's comments, I don't think I am. Sure there are a good amount of people who will do the research before getting one, but just like in any other hobby, there are others that won't.
What video was that? I watch all of his videos, and he didn't say that all can be handled, he said some are more than others, but he doesn't speak on the matter really.
The comments I got were apparently from people older than 'I've been alive' apparently. Also on groups, it's a mix of teens and adults. Which was quite shocking to me, as I thought the same as you.I think a lot of the people who jump to his defence without question, will likely be very young, probably 14 and under.
It seems that he doesn't understand that this actually is a hybridization...Got a New Reply from him, He states:
Oh I stated in multiple videos that I'm strongly against hybrids, will of course talk about this in the breeding video ^^
Well the good thing about that is if you get a true Nicaraguan female and pair her you’d be able to sell the true Nicaraguan slings for a lot more than if you were to sell the mutt slings under the hobby form name.My general idea was, B. albopilosum "hobby form" is already messed up and impure so there is not much damage it can be done as long as they are labeled as such.
But after rethinking it long and hard I decided not to do it and to try and get true Nicaragua female instead. Thanks everyone for the input.
P.S.
To everyone mad at me over this or any other reason, I NEVER claimed in ANY of my videos that I'm an expert. In fact, I often mention it in my videos, that I'm just a regular keeper with exception of knowing how to make funny and entertaining videos. Just because others put me on the pedestal, it doesn't give anyone the right to degrade me. Instead, try being nicer and teach others the right way.
If someone really loves my videos, can you blame them for being defensive if you open with "he is a moron", even if I do something stupid.
I also always point people to this forum for any information they need, I really don't want to change that.
I think the main worry would be that you end up with 100s (no idea how many eggs are in a sac) of Nicaragaun looking slings and you'd have to make it clear to everyone you give them to that these are definitely not the pure Nicaraguan. Now, out of the 100s of people you give slings to I'm sure there would be a small few that still insist they are pure Nicaraguan because they are more sought after than "hobby forms".My general idea was, B. albopilosum "hobby form" is already messed up and impure so there is not much damage it can be done as long as they are labeled as such.
But after rethinking it long and hard I decided not to do it and to try and get true Nicaragua female instead. Thanks everyone for the input.
P.S.
To everyone mad at me over this or any other reason, I NEVER claimed in ANY of my videos that I'm an expert. In fact, I often mention it in my videos, that I'm just a regular keeper with exception of knowing how to make funny and entertaining videos. Just because others put me on the pedestal, it doesn't give anyone the right to degrade me. Instead, try being nicer and teach others the right way.
If someone really loves my videos, can you blame them for being defensive if you open with "he is a moron", even if I do something stupid.
I also always point people to this forum for any information they need, I really don't want to change that.
Good for you! Best of luck with finding and breeding a Nicaragua variant female.My general idea was, B. albopilosum "hobby form" is already messed up and impure so there is not much damage it can be done as long as they are labeled as such.
But after rethinking it long and hard I decided not to do it and to try and get true Nicaragua female instead. Thanks everyone for the input.
P.S.
To everyone mad at me over this or any other reason, I NEVER claimed in ANY of my videos that I'm an expert. In fact, I often mention it in my videos, that I'm just a regular keeper with exception of knowing how to make funny and entertaining videos. Just because others put me on the pedestal, it doesn't give anyone the right to degrade me. Instead, try being nicer and teach others the right way.
If someone really loves my videos, can you blame them for being defensive if you open with "he is a moron", even if I do something stupid.
I also always point people to this forum for any information they need, I really don't want to change that.
A same statement was made (altough not in the 'virtual' world) "eons" ago here in Europe, and, in result of this, we had an helluva of Hysterocrates specimens kinda 'mutt'My general idea was, B. albopilosum "hobby form" is already messed up and impure so there is not much damage it can be done as long as they are labeled as such.