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It is very frustrating, I can only seem to find Ornata available in my state.
What, like 50/50 breeder loans? Couldn't that be considered a trade crossing state lines?they're gifted (likewise amongst hobbyists interested in keeping these species available in the states)
At least there's those.It is very frustrating, I can only seem to find Ornata available in my state.
You can’t find any of them at all in your state?What, like 50/50 breeder loans? Couldn't that be considered a trade crossing state lines?
I've never seen anyone giving away free P ornatas. I'll be first in line if it happens, because living in ND provides almost zero chance of me being able to purchase them.
At least there's those.
As far as I'm aware, standard breeding loans are still allowed under the law. USFW's website used to explicitly state that fact, but it seems they reworked their website some time back. Regardless though, I was actually referring to just gifts. There are hobbyists out there interested in keeping these in the US hobby who breed these species and give them away to experienced keepers/breeders that pay the shipping cost (and ONLY the shipping cost). That's how I got my group of P. fasciata.What, like 50/50 breeder loans? Couldn't that be considered a trade crossing state lines?
Well that's good to know. Only pokie I've tried breeding was metallica and I wasn't successful. Will have to focus some effort on learning them and try to break into this network somehow.As far as I'm aware, standard breeding loans are still allowed under the law. USFW's website used to explicitly state that fact, but it seems they reworked their website some time back. Regardless though, I was actually referring to just gifts. There are hobbyists out there interested in keeping these in the US hobby who breed these species and give them away to experienced keepers/breeders that pay the shipping cost (and ONLY the shipping cost). That's how I got my group of P. fasciata.
There really isn't a network that I'm aware of, just watch the classifieds lol. My group are sackmates, but I don't really have any intention to breed them together. The plan is to hold back the females for future breeding projects and disperse any MM's through the US Tarantula Sustainment Project.Well that's good to know. Only pokie I've tried breeding was metallica and I wasn't successful. Will have to focus some effort on learning them and try to break into this network somehow.
Glad you got some spiders. So are they sac mates and do you plan to pair them? I'm not looking for fasciata btw, so hope you don't suspect that this is some roundabout way of me asking for some.
Here I envisioned these shadowy cryptic deals going down between characters like the one in your avatar. Alright man, thanks for the tip.There really isn't a network that I'm aware of, just watch the classifieds lol.
Where is this database?Here I envisioned these shadowy cryptic deals going down between characters like the one in your avatar. Alright man, thanks for the tip.
Oh shoot, just checked the database again and see that there's a dude in ND with one female ornata. SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE
Best of luck with your fasciata.
It's the Google docs link in this comment.Where is this database?
Thank you!It's the Google docs link in this comment.
Hopefully you can get some of your wishlist knocked out! Should also say to check it occasionally, as the ND guy was updated since the last time I checked.US Tarantula Sustainment Project
*Posted with permission from Scott and Debby* Attention: US tarantula breeders, vendors, and keepers! We need your help! There are currently five species of Poecilotheria listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), and this number is likely to grow. Due to their status, they...arachnoboards.com
I was thinking you sold a cage with a tiny 2nd instar sling hitch hiking or everyone in the hobby can just start calling them something different kind of like chicken nuggets and mcnuggets different name same thing lol until they catch on at leastLooks to me like you could even ship them as long as it wasn't a commercial act. I could be wrong on that but it looks like you'd be able to keep your collection should you move to another state.
you can also buy them out of state if need be as long as they aren't shipped I believe but I could be wrong... Oh and breeding loans or gifts that aren't tied to an existing purchase work tooAlso, you can around it without too much difficulty. The permit I believe is called a cbv. Basically let's lets you buy captive bred slings of the endangered species. Costs 200 bucks for 5 years. Then renewed for another 5. Then reapplied for. All purchases have to be kept track of and submitted somewhere yearly I think.
Hi I’m new to the site and I’m a little confused by this because one of the bigger breeders in my area and also well known throughout spider communities sells p vittatas, though they can’t ship them outside of the state we are located in I can still buy them without a permit (from what I know) it’s confusingP. fasciata, P. ornata, P. smithi, P. subfusca, and P. vittata have been added as endangered species
I saw this on Facebook and initially thought that it was fake, but no, it's completely real. Here in the US, it appears as if it is now illegal to sell those species across state lines. The full proposal can be found here for those more versed in legalities than I am. But to quote the proposal:
Agreed! If anything captive breeding is the only way to save those species from extinction when habitat loss is to blame. They should be pushing people to breed and distribute them within the pet trade so the wild has backup stock at best, and at worst they at least survive in captivity.I don't understand the reasoning with this. They are endangered in their native range mainly due to habitat loss...yet they wont let us keep, breed, and sell our CB spiders?
What good is that going to do.