Five Poecilotheria species - Endangered status and limitations

[curtisgiganteus]

It is very frustrating, I can only seem to find Ornata available in my state.

 

[campj]

they're gifted (likewise amongst hobbyists interested in keeping these species available in the states)

What, like 50/50 breeder loans? Couldn't that be considered a trade crossing state lines?

I've never seen anyone giving away free P ornatas. I'll be first in line if it happens, because living in ND provides almost zero chance of me being able to purchase them.

It is very frustrating, I can only seem to find Ornata available in my state.

At least there's those.

 

[curtisgiganteus]

What, like 50/50 breeder loans? Couldn't that be considered a trade crossing state lines?

I've never seen anyone giving away free P ornatas. I'll be first in line if it happens, because living in ND provides almost zero chance of me being able to purchase them.


At least there's those.

You can’t find any of them at all in your state?

 

[campj]

I don't know of a single tarantula in North Dakota besides mine period, let alone ESA pokies. That database that someone started had nobody, which didn't surprise me. There's a reptile expo once a year on the other side of the state, but it's one day for six hours and no clue if they've got inverts.

This place is the sticks, man. And it's frozen half the year so even getting stuff shipped is a real struggle. You might think I'm being pessimistic, but it's easier to understand if you move out here lol.

Here's this sad event:

https://m.facebook.com/100064379151273/

 

[l4nsky]

What, like 50/50 breeder loans? Couldn't that be considered a trade crossing state lines?

As far as I'm aware, standard breeding loans are still allowed under the law. USFW's website used to explicitly state that fact, but it seems they reworked their website some time back. Regardless though, I was actually referring to just gifts. There are hobbyists out there interested in keeping these in the US hobby who breed these species and give them away to experienced keepers/breeders that pay the shipping cost (and ONLY the shipping cost). That's how I got my group of P. fasciata.

 

[campj]

As far as I'm aware, standard breeding loans are still allowed under the law. USFW's website used to explicitly state that fact, but it seems they reworked their website some time back. Regardless though, I was actually referring to just gifts. There are hobbyists out there interested in keeping these in the US hobby who breed these species and give them away to experienced keepers/breeders that pay the shipping cost (and ONLY the shipping cost). That's how I got my group of P. fasciata.

Well that's good to know. Only pokie I've tried breeding was metallica and I wasn't successful. Will have to focus some effort on learning them and try to break into this network somehow.

Glad you got some spiders. So are they sac mates and do you plan to pair them? I'm not looking for fasciata btw, so hope you don't suspect that this is some roundabout way of me asking for some.

 

[l4nsky]

Well that's good to know. Only pokie I've tried breeding was metallica and I wasn't successful. Will have to focus some effort on learning them and try to break into this network somehow.

Glad you got some spiders. So are they sac mates and do you plan to pair them? I'm not looking for fasciata btw, so hope you don't suspect that this is some roundabout way of me asking for some.

There really isn't a network that I'm aware of, just watch the classifieds lol. My group are sackmates, but I don't really have any intention to breed them together. The plan is to hold back the females for future breeding projects and disperse any MM's through the US Tarantula Sustainment Project.

 

[campj]

There really isn't a network that I'm aware of, just watch the classifieds lol.

Here I envisioned these shadowy cryptic deals going down between characters like the one in your avatar. Alright man, thanks for the tip.

Oh shoot, just checked the database again and see that there's a dude in ND with one female ornata. SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE

Best of luck with your fasciata.

 

[curtisgiganteus]

Here I envisioned these shadowy cryptic deals going down between characters like the one in your avatar. Alright man, thanks for the tip.

Oh shoot, just checked the database again and see that there's a dude in ND with one female ornata. SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A CHANCE

Best of luck with your fasciata.

Where is this database?

 

[campj]

Where is this database?

It's the Google docs link in this comment.

US Tarantula Sustainment Project

*Posted with permission from Scott and Debby* Attention: US tarantula breeders, vendors, and keepers! We need your help! There are currently five species of Poecilotheria listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), and this number is likely to grow. Due to their status, they...

arachnoboards.com

Hopefully you can get some of your wishlist knocked out! Should also say to check it occasionally, as the ND guy was updated since the last time I checked.

 

[curtisgiganteus]

It's the Google docs link in this comment.

US Tarantula Sustainment Project

*Posted with permission from Scott and Debby* Attention: US tarantula breeders, vendors, and keepers! We need your help! There are currently five species of Poecilotheria listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act (ESA), and this number is likely to grow. Due to their status, they...

arachnoboards.com

Hopefully you can get some of your wishlist knocked out! Should also say to check it occasionally, as the ND guy was updated since the last time I checked.

Thank you!

 

[4tsinandgrowing]

I totally agree... they should be more understanding that we will lose the species in the wild because most species come from third world back water countries where locals kill them off because their view as pests and are illegally harvesting minerals and clearing the land for various reasons... no one will ever stop them also from illegally taking them out of thier native range and selling to the Chinese... whom are becoming rather fond of the hobby and don't have the same ethical per say as us keepers in the west p. Metallica in China is still going for like 1000 usd equivalent look at ivory and rhino horn pretty soon all that will be left is hobby breed specimens in most developing countries..

Looks to me like you could even ship them as long as it wasn't a commercial act. I could be wrong on that but it looks like you'd be able to keep your collection should you move to another state.

I was thinking you sold a cage with a tiny 2nd instar sling hitch hiking or everyone in the hobby can just start calling them something different kind of like chicken nuggets and mcnuggets different name same thing lol until they catch on at least

 

[Isaax Critterz]

This is why captive breeding is very importent to protect endangered species.

 

[Grimmothy]

Also, you can around it without too much difficulty. The permit I believe is called a cbv. Basically let's lets you buy captive bred slings of the endangered species. Costs 200 bucks for 5 years. Then renewed for another 5. Then reapplied for. All purchases have to be kept track of and submitted somewhere yearly I think.

you can also buy them out of state if need be as long as they aren't shipped I believe but I could be wrong... Oh and breeding loans or gifts that aren't tied to an existing purchase work too

 

[CreamSicle]

P. fasciata, P. ornata, P. smithi, P. subfusca, and P. vittata have been added as endangered species

I saw this on Facebook and initially thought that it was fake, but no, it's completely real. Here in the US, it appears as if it is now illegal to sell those species across state lines. The full proposal can be found here for those more versed in legalities than I am. But to quote the proposal:

Hi I’m new to the site and I’m a little confused by this because one of the bigger breeders in my area and also well known throughout spider communities sells p vittatas, though they can’t ship them outside of the state we are located in I can still buy them without a permit (from what I know) it’s confusing

 

[Arachnopotamus Rex]

I don't understand the reasoning with this. They are endangered in their native range mainly due to habitat loss...yet they wont let us keep, breed, and sell our CB spiders?

What good is that going to do.

Agreed! If anything captive breeding is the only way to save those species from extinction when habitat loss is to blame. They should be pushing people to breed and distribute them within the pet trade so the wild has backup stock at best, and at worst they at least survive in captivity.

What can be done to change their minds about this? We really don't need to cause more extinctions.