Dream insect/invertebrate/arthropod?

[Arthroverts]

These illegal species make for some pretty pictures!

Museums have been doing this legally for years, so maybe we could persuade museums to allow permitted hobbyists to join in their shipments more frequently and place orders of our own through their networks.

Well, illegal stuff still looks good! I remember seeing the spiky Cuban isopods for the first time, and I was totally shocked.

@SonsofArachne, you are right.

Thanks,

Arthroverts

 

[MrGhostMantis]

@Arthroverts are permits to jungle nymph available to the public?

 

[Arthroverts]

@Arthroverts are permits to jungle nymph available to the public?

To my knowledge, if you have a proper containment facility, yes, you can get the permit for Jungle Nymphs. @The Mantis Menagerie might be able to shed more light on this however.

Thanks,

Arthroverts

 

[MrGhostMantis]

*me waiting for him to comment*

 

[Arthroverts]

*I'm with you*

 

[pannaking22]

I've got a pair of Schizodactylus monstrosus on pins, so I'm pretty darn happy with owning that dream invert.

 

[Arthroverts]

I've got a pair of Schizodactylus monstrosus on pins, so I'm pretty darn happy with owning that dream invert.

But wouldn't some live ones be so much cooler ?

Thanks,

Arthroverts

 

[Arthroverts]

Also gonna have to add Spirobolus bungii and walkeri to the list. Amazing millipedes.

Thanks,

Arthroverts

 

[SonsofArachne]

Also gonna have to add Spirobolus bungii and walkeri to the list. Amazing millipedes.

Thanks,

Arthroverts

That list of yours is starting to get really long

 

[Arthroverts]

@SonsofArachne, I am actually making a Google Doc with species I would like to own. Cetoiine beetles already take up over a page, and I haven't even started putting in stuff that is legal. I'll probably share it here once I get closer to finishing it.

Thanks,

Arthroverts

 

[MasterOogway]

It would be interesting to see a group of enthusiasts committed to the legal importation and rearing of exotic species come together and form a group, like we're doing now but in a more serious setting.

So you mean like, the American Association of Zoos and Aquariums? For realsies though, for people who seriously want to work with animals and help establish captive populations of some really cool inverts, why not check out a career in the zoo field doing that work? You get to play with bugs AND get paid for it. It's good times.

And also, yes, Heteropteryx dilatata require permits to keep, but are easily kept once you have the permit. And they're pretty dang cool, if a little 'spicy.'

 

[pannaking22]

But wouldn't some live ones be so much cooler ?

Thanks,

Arthroverts

Live ones would be pretty darn cool, but from what I've been able to piece together about their biology (which is essentially unknown at this point), I'd be looking at a giant tank filled with about 4+ ft of sand and I'd never see them unless I soaked the tank to mimic rain.

 

[The Mantis Menagerie]

*me waiting for him to comment*

*I'm with you*

Sorry! The Arachnoboards system somehow failed to notify me, and I did not see last night's conversation.

To my knowledge, if you have a proper containment facility, yes, you can get the permit for Jungle Nymphs. @The Mantis Menagerie might be able to shed more light on this however.

Thanks,

Arthroverts

Any species that is available to zoos and insectariums with containment facilities is available to private hobbyists if you meet the containment requirements.

 

[MrGhostMantis]

Can anyone update me on the care of Jungle Nymphs? I know they eat rose, blackberry, and raspberry leaves but, I don’t know humidity, tank requirement, tank setup, etc. Could anyone hook me up to a link of care or give tips?

 

[MrGhostMantis]

And how to get a permit? I forgot to ask that lol.

 

[The Mantis Menagerie]

Can anyone update me on the care of Jungle Nymphs? I know they eat rose, blackberry, and raspberry leaves but, I don’t know humidity, tank requirement, tank setup, etc. Could anyone hook me up to a link of care or give tips?

http://phasmidstudygroup.org/phasmid-info/psg-culture-list/species-care?psg_no=18
This organization seems to be the preeminent source for phasmid information.

 

[The Mantis Menagerie]

And how to get a permit? I forgot to ask that lol.

The best method would be to register through the eAuthentication system and follow the steps to attain Level 2 access. After you have a Level 2 account, you can submit permit applications online through the system. It is fairly straightforward, but do not rush through it. Certain steps take the system a certain amount of processing time, and you can only attempt to complete a number of steps so many times. If you try to keep redoing something before the system is ready to accept the input, then you can run out of retries. I accidentally did this, and it instructs you to appear in-person to the USDA office. I was able to avoid the hassle of finding a USDA office because I made a mistake and needed to make a new account anyway. Once you are in the system, there is a button shown in the picture below, and clicking that and then choosing PPQ and the 526 permit will lead you through the permit form.

 

[Arthroverts]

So you mean like, the American Association of Zoos and Aquariums? For realsies though, for people who seriously want to work with animals and help establish captive populations of some really cool inverts, why not check out a career in the zoo field doing that work? You get to play with bugs AND get paid for it. It's good times.

And also, yes, Heteropteryx dilatata require permits to keep, but are easily kept once you have the permit. And they're pretty dang cool, if a little 'spicy.'

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Stop teasing us! First sub-Saharan cetoiines, and now these?!? Aghh!
Anyway, I have thought about it, but the idea of a personal collection really appeals to me, as I don't want to be ordered around as to what I can keep by another higher up. That said, entomology really appeals to me so long as I don't get stuck behind a desk counting preserved specimens (I really dislike the idea of that).

Live ones would be pretty darn cool, but from what I've been able to piece together about their biology (which is essentially unknown at this point), I'd be looking at a giant tank filled with about 4+ ft of sand and I'd never see them unless I soaked the tank to mimic rain.

We do that with tarantulas all the time...
Ha ha, just kidding, I see what your saying. I still think that rare glimpse would make it all worth it though.

Thanks,

Arthroverts

 

[MasterOogway]

Stop teasing us! First sub-Saharan cetoiines, and now these?!? Aghh!
Anyway, I have thought about it, but the idea of a personal collection really appeals to me, as I don't want to be ordered around as to what I can keep by another higher up. That said, entomology really appeals to me so long as I don't get stuck behind a desk counting preserved specimens (I really dislike the idea of that)

Most 'higher ups' in zoos know zilch about inverts; it's been my experience that as long as you're competent and know what you're about they'll give you a high degree of freedom in displaying specimens you like. I more or less get full discretion to get in whatever I think will make good display specimens and serve the overall 'purpose' of the zoo's mission. I don't get *everything* I want mind you *cough* Peripatus*cough*, and I still have to do things the 'zoo way', but it's a pretty good situation overall. Most good zoos will follow this path. And, for another plus, I don't have to buy the initial animals myself which is nice

 

[Arthroverts]

Sounds like you've got a pretty awesome setup there! Definitely making me consider it. Especially the part about "...don't have to buy the initial animals myself...", ha ha.
But wait, I've got something you don't? Wow ! But seriously now, Epiperipatus would make terrible displays. You can't handle them, their nocturnal, and about as photophobic as a crazed Stygophrynus. I so rarely see mine I'm starting to worry about them as we speak...

Thanks,

Arthroverts