Why do vets willingly ear crop dogs?

[Shell]

I think being in a back room of a vet helping out was the best way to realize I'd NEVER want to do that for a living. The vet was pretty much desensitized by that point..... kitten with maggots in a gaping wound? put down. Fawn with two broken legs? put down. Found a ferret in someone's back yard? Not my problem and sent them on their way.

Not all vets get this way. I've worked for many with great compassion; and I've seen them shed tears, on many occasions, for animals they couldn't help. Yes, Ive met a couple who were desensitized, but more that weren't. I always said that the day I "didn't care" anymore was the day I needed to quit. Instead I had kids, so I took a break for that instead lol.

To say that you don't want to be in that industry because one vet was desensitized is making a generalization that everyone in this field will turn out that way, and that couldn't be farther from the truth. It would be like saying all doctors just don't care, and that's also not true. My doctor has been practicing for 30 yrs, yet when I had something awful happen a few months ago he called me personally, and broke down into tears talking to me. There are great doctors, good doctors and crap doctors. It's the same with vets, and actually 2 of the very best, most caring vets I know/have worked for, also did/do ear cropping (and unlike breeders who should never try to do it, they did a damn good job at it).

I may be taking some time off to raise my kids, but I've been a tech for a long time. I love my patients, I care, I fight for them, I cry over them...we aren't all desensitized jerks.

 

[Cavedweller]

In the vein of dewclaw removal, how does that work out in the wild? The primary argument for removal is to prevent injury (understandable when the claw has a weak connection), but what about fully attached ones? Wolves have dewclaws, so I would assume they don't pose that much of a problem?

My dog's got fully attached dewclaws, and she broke one of hers while playing a few months ago. It looked quite painful, and she wouldn't let anyone near her while it was healing. Fortunately it's fully healed now, but I wonder how common that type of injury is in the wild.

 

[bugmankeith]

Tough? I'm sorry but there is no way Scooby-Doo will ever look tough.

Wanna put a Scooby snack in this mouth?
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a...Gjdq1bMge3nwM/cC/f=0/ps=50/r=0/rx=550/ry=400/

 

[grayzone]

i was going to add some stuff to this thread until i clicked FormerPhobes links..

now all i have to say is i feel terrible for David Reimer. That guy must have suffered mentally his whole life (well, from teenage years until death) in ways i cant even bare to imagine..

 

[The Snark]

Makes me wonders it does. A group of women got together to purchase 6 Great Danes. In the process of purchasing they all had to sign a contract that they would get the ears cropped. I queried this and an affronted matronly battleshippy type lady looked down her nose in disgust at me and explained in an acidic snarl, "They're AKC!!"

 

[Shell]

Makes me wonders it does. A group of women got together to purchase 6 Great Danes. In the process of purchasing they all had to sign a contract that they would get the ears cropped. I queried this and an affronted matronly battleshippy type lady looked down her nose in disgust at me and explained in an acidic snarl, "They're AKC!!"

Well that woman was a bit out in left field. AKC is simply a registration, if a breeder has money and purebreds AKC will register them. The other "iffy" thing about those women and the 6 dogs, is that a good, and reputable breeder will look after the ear cropping for their buyers, and puppies will be sent home with cropped ears already. Sounds like some women who didn't know too much (many people think AKC is the be all, end all, and your dog has some kind of special status just because it's AKC registered), bought puppies from a BYB (backyard breeder), who couldn't be bothered to make sure the puppies were properly cropped by a reputable ear cropping vet (this is just one reason why good breeders have it done before the puppies go to their new home).

AKC registration is required to compete a dog (show ring, confirmation, agility, obedience, rally etc), but good breeders register all their dogs whether they are show quality, or just pet quality. The majority of AKC registered dogs are just average pets, of regular pet quality. BYBs cash in on the publics ignorance, by registering with the AKC and passing it off a some sort of status symbol when selling their crappy bred pups. AKC means nothing more than registration, and they do not require that the dogs be cropped. I know a few people with un cropped dobes that have AKC registration. In Canada it's the CKC, they are pretty much exactly the same just different countries, and some dogs will have dual registration.

Then there is the other "CKC" (not the Canadian Kennel Club, but the "Continental Kennel Club"), and they are quite the joke. They will register pretty much anything if you have money (I know someone who has a mutt registered as some made up breed through them), but it's not legit like the real CKC and AKC.

I've seen natural eared dogs from traditionally cropped breeds showing in AKC/CKC shows, which means they are registered with said kennel clubs. They usually don't do as well, but they can still be registered.

 

[Anonymity82]

So the clitoris is not skin? It's basically the same thing. Just one is socially acceptable in our culture. Right or wrong, I'm not to judge but you can't say one I just cutting off skin. That's what they both are! If you grew up in a community with female circumcision as the social norm you wouldn't have a problem with it either.

Anyway that wasn't my point and I definitely don't want to justify either. My point was that people hav problems with things thu find out of the norm.

I believe removing the clitoris would be similar to removing the head of a penis, not just the skin covering it.

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This is going to be totally hippy of me and I'm sure there will be some argument here, but I feel like the only dogs that should be specially bred are those to be used for working. Thousands of perfectly healthy dogs are being put to death everyday. Just a quick glance through Raleigh's craiglist pet section is proof that there are way too many dogs out there that need homes for people to be breeding new dogs for vanity purposes. Not judging those of you have purposely bought special breeds because they're cute or awesome looking or whatever reasons .

And this has been njnolan1's opinion on dog breeding and adoption!

 

[poisoned]

I believe removing the clitoris would be similar to removing the head of a penis, not just the skin covering it.

---------- Post added 02-16-2013 at 11:52 AM ----------

This is going to be totally hippy of me and I'm sure there will be some argument here, but I feel like the only dogs that should be specially bred are those to be used for working. Thousands of perfectly healthy dogs are being put to death everyday. Just a quick glance through Raleigh's craiglist pet section is proof that there are way too many dogs out there that need homes for people to be breeding new dogs for vanity purposes. Not judging those of you have purposely bought special breeds because they're cute or awesome looking or whatever reasons .

And this has been njnolan1's opinion on dog breeding and adoption!

I don't think there's anything wrong if someone buys a healthy bred dog, even if not for working puposes. But breds whose characteristics are bad for their health like pugs shouldn't be bred IMO. If some breeds need surgeries to remain healthy, couldn't they be bred in a way that would remove this requirement? Or maybe pick another breed, that is also suitable for same kind of work?

 

[Niffarious]

[/COLOR]This is going to be totally hippy of me and I'm sure there will be some argument here, but I feel like the only dogs that should be specially bred are those to be used for working. Thousands of perfectly healthy dogs are being put to death everyday. Just a quick glance through Raleigh's craiglist pet section is proof that there are way too many dogs out there that need homes for people to be breeding new dogs for vanity purposes. Not judging those of you have purposely bought special breeds because they're cute or awesome looking or whatever reasons .

And this has been njnolan1's opinion on dog breeding and adoption!

If people supported ethical, proper breeders there would be fewer dogs in the shelters in the first place. I said earlier in this thread that every single person I know who has adopted a shelter dog (all mutts) has a dog with health and behaviour problems. This is not an exaggeration. I don't feel like it's my responsibility to saddle myself with an unhealthy or hard to manage animal because some backyard breeder had a litter. It bothers me that people do not do their due diligence when breeding and buying and the solution becomes 'adopt all the shelter dogs!'. Do those dogs deserve a good life? Absolutely. But stopping shelters full of dogs means stopping the root of the problem, not continuing to give these jerks a get out of jail free card by taking their cast-offs with no penalty to them.

Don't get me wrong, I support my shelters - I donate food and used dog beds/toys on a regular basis (in many cases, such as the SPCA, a high portion of monetary donations goes to upper management salary. Check this info before donating just money) but I don't think the solution is adopting, but finding a way to stop backyard breeders and mills.

 

[Shell]

but I don't think the solution is adopting, but finding a way to stop backyard breeders and mills.

This this this. I personally love dogs, and for the breeds we love to continue (and for their health to continue to improve), we need good, reputable breeders. The issue is not breeding, it is backyard breeders, puppy mills etc Adopting will never fix the issue of too many dogs, ending puppy mills/BYBs will. If the only people breeding were solid, reputable breeding the dog world would be a pretty damn good place. Yes, there would still be health problems, but a real breeder focuses on breeding specimens that are healthy (and they spend a lot of money on health testing their breeding stock), and over time the idea is to better a breed in every way (this includes health, and longevity).

The dogs that end up in shelters came from puppy mills, pet stores, BYBs etc. A reputable breeder stands by their dogs for life, and will take back (and rehome) the dogs they produce if that issue ever arises. They work very hard to keep what they produce out of shelters and rescues. I have worked closely with a number of reputable breeders (of various different breeds), mentoring under them, handling their dogs etc etc. Life long backing of their puppies in this way is just one mark of a good breeder (solid, complete health testing of their breeding stock, and titling their breeding stock, in the show ring, obedience, agility etc, to prove their dogs can work/hold up under pressure/prove their temperament are two other important ones).

A real breeder rarely makes money off they puppies the produce, some litters (due to complications during pregnancy/whelping) can even lose them money. Health testing the parents costs A LOT of money, and some health tests (like holter testing Dobermans to check on the health of their hearts, as DCM (dilated cardiomyopathy) is a big problem with this breed) need to repeated yearly or even more. Titling their dogs to prove they are worthy stock to breed also costs a lot of money. A good breeder is breeding to better the breed they love, not to profit. A BYB/puppy mill is doing it for the money, they don't care about titles or health, and it shows. Those are the dogs who wind up in shelters/rescues etc.

Nothing wrong at all with buying a dog, but make sure you research very thoroughly to be sure you are buyer from a reputable breeder. Some BYBs are really good at making themselves sound reputable, so you really need to know the ins and out of the breed you're looking at. The health problems they have, and exactly what health testing needs to be done. A lot of BYBs will say they health test but never have any evidence, or only do the very basics. They will also say that titling isn't "important" because they aren't trying to breed show dogs etc etc. Don't ever fall for that crap. It doesn't matter if you only want pet quality, you still need to only support the good breeders.

If only we could stop the BYBs/puppy mills...it's a big dream that's for sure, but I won't stop trying to educate people about how and where to buy purebred dogs (if that's what theyre wanting to buy).

 

[The Snark]

Back to the original topic. Re: the 6 AKC Great Dumbs. I accompanied my former mother in law who got one of them to the ear cropping establishment. It was a registered veterinarian. In the back room, which dog owners and their friends were free to wandering through, there were about 8 tables with people whacking away at ears on an assembly line basis. Scissors were the main weapon of choice, and soldering irons for cauterizing. There was nothing remotely resembling sterility. The lighting in the room was very poor. As we waited for her dog to come out from under the anesthesia I wandered the place. It was legit. The ear cropping version of a puppy mill. It was one of the most popular and cheap places to get ear cropping done in the entire Los Angeles area. I wasn't impressed.

 

[Shell]

Back to the original topic. Re: the 6 AKC Great Dumbs. I accompanied my former mother in law who got one of them to the ear cropping establishment. It was a registered veterinarian. In the back room, which dog owners and their friends were free to wandering through, there were about 8 tables with people whacking away at ears on an assembly line basis. Scissors were the main weapon of choice, and soldering irons for cauterizing. There was nothing remotely resembling sterility. The lighting in the room was very poor. As we waited for her dog to come out from under the anesthesia I wandered the place. It was legit. The ear cropping version of a puppy mill. It was one of the most popular and cheap places to get ear cropping done in the entire Los Angeles area. I wasn't impressed.

Not a place I would ever take a dog for ear cropping, and if someone had reported them I bet they would have had their licence revoked. Letting people wander through the surgical area, not allowed. Un-sterilized equipment (and using scissors) again not allowed. Everything about it says shady, and violating rules that are set in place to keep the animals safe. This is why I will only advocate a reputable cropping vet, who is doing everything by the book. I'm ok with ear cropping but only when done properly, and with the protocol that is in place for this procedure. When done with proper equipment (not scissors for a start), under proper anesthetic, by a vet who knows exactly how to perform this surgery, the puppy will be back to it's normal self within hours of the anesthetic.

You could say the same with any type of shady practice though, not just vets, but doctors, plastic surgeons etc. There will always be the "bad apples" in every profession unfortunately. There was a spay/neuter clinic around here that was shut down for shady stuff quite similar to what you mentioned. Again, they were cheap and popular, for all the wrong reasons. This is why I say go to a reputable breeder to start, they will deal with the cropping and take them to a good, reputable ear cropping vet. I am familiar with the vet my breeder uses for ears, and if I ever need any kind of surgery I hope the surgeon is as skilled at what they do, as he is with ears.

If I had to choose between a natural eared dog (from a traditionally cropped breed), or a dog cropped by a shady vet/breeder, I would choose the uncropped dog. I love my dogs ears, and I'm glad he is cropped, but I will only advocate it if it's done properly. I worked in clinics where it was done properly, and I've also seen dogs come in done elsewhere that weren't done properly. This is why I'm comfortable with the procedure, if done by a reputable vet. I'm certainly not advocating the people who have no place doing this surgery though.

PS @The Snark, have you seen my Bruce updates? So far so good, still not a vicious maneater He might lick you to death though.

 

[Bugmom]

So the clitoris is not skin? It's basically the same thing. Just one is socially acceptable in our culture. Right or wrong, I'm not to judge but you can't say one I just cutting off skin. That's what they both are! If you grew up in a community with female circumcision as the social norm you wouldn't have a problem with it either.

Anyway that wasn't my point and I definitely don't want to justify either. My point was that people hav problems with things thu find out of the norm.

You seriously need to study your anatomy because you are 100% wrong. The clitoris is absolutely not skin. Ever. In any mammal in the entire world. It is a jumble of highly sensitive nerves. If you take away a woman's clitoris, she won't feel sexual pleasure, why is WHY it is done, same as if the head of a penis was chopped off (not the foreskin, the entire head). Show me a culture where men's pleasurable sensations are chopped off in the name of... anything (hint: You can't because it doesn't exist).

So no, it's not even on the same planet as ear cropping or tail docking.

 

[The Snark]

Let's put this to rest. "The clitoris is homologous to the penis", according to the basic anatomy book I had to study. According to international health standards as WHO, "any damage, disfigurement or the removal of the clitoris" falls under the classification of female genital mutilation.

Shell, I fully understand where you are coming from and you are stating facts as you know them. However, as you are aware of, your take tends to lean towards the 'perfect world' scenario which we all know is not the case when it comes to animals. Registered professional breeders will produce animals with extremely undesirable traits in order to achieve certain appearances, gaits, temperament as often as they attempt to produce healthy animals. And even when they take efforts to produce healthy animals, thousands of animals with undesirable traits are euthanized each year when they could have lived relatively happy healthy lives. It's not a perfect world. Especially so when money has a firm grip on things. As my ear cropping establishment, the gray area is vast and authorities the world over tend to look the other way.

As in your example, just how many run of the mill owners and breeders will cough up the huge bucks to detect cardiomyopathy and how many of the animals that are detected with it could have lived relatively normal otherwise healthy lives instead of being removed from the gene pool?

What a lot of this boils down to is homosapien playing god. Making decisions of life and death where their intervention is not always a necessity issue.

Re Bruce. Got yourself a lickaholic, have you? Those are better than crotch hounds I suppose. Especially when the owners tend to wear shorter skirts and or entertain guests in the more genteel and sophisticated settings. My mother had a lickoholic German Shepard which adopted a hamster. Carried it everywhere and cleaned it some 3600 times a day. She (the dog) was heartbroken when it died. As near as I could tell, she drowned it in slobber.

 

[Shell]

As near as I could tell, she drowned it in slobber.

This actually made me laugh out loud. That's cute though (aside from, you know, the hamster dying and the dog being heartbroken). Yes, Bruce loves to give kisses, but he also does the doberman "nose poke" though, and has a habit of doing it to butts when he wants attention. He also likes to get a running start before he jabs his nose into said butt...it's far less cute than his kisses.

As in your example, just how many run of the mill owners and breeders will cough up the huge bucks to detect cardiomyopathy and how many of the animals that are detected with it could have lived relatively normal otherwise healthy lives instead of being removed from the gene pool?

You would actually be surprised. The breeders that the DPCA support/recommend do holter/echo testing. I am also a member of a very large Dobe forum, and many, many "regular" owners do it regularly as well. If you research breeders before you buy you would be surprised just how many very reputable breeders exist who are spending a lot of money to health check their dogs. I'm not just stating what "should" be done, but from experience with what a lot of breeders, that I know of, actually do. DCM is a very big problem in the Dobermans, and yes the good breeders DO spend the money to check hearts, and so do a lot of owners. There are very big differences between good breeders, and BYBs (in every breed, I am simply using Dobes as an example). If you do a lot of research on breeders when looking into a specific breed you would see this. DCM rarely leads to a relatively normal life, it usually leads to either sudden, unexpected deaths (young deaths too), or years of meds while they go downhill anyway. Enter the Dobe community and you will understand just how seriously the good breeders take it, and just how much money they spend checking their dogs for it. Every breed has it's health issues, and the good breeders really do work hard to getting rid of them. I've worked closely with quite a few breeders, of different breeds.

Anyway, I'm just sounding like a broken record, and you know I'm not arguing with you Snark, I do get where you're coming from completely So I'm off to bed.

 

[The Snark]

Shell, we need to establish a common ground as we are both espousing the same thing from different points of view. As you have given in several examples, there are responsible people acting appropriately. However, look at the losing, and I mean losing BIG TIME, effort to just get the animals spayed/neutered. And there are numerous opportunities to get that simple operation done entirely for free. So if we can't get that happening, how in heck can we get people to drop hundreds, even thousands of dollars, for more sophisticated screenings and testings? It sadly turns into the elitist vs the vast majority and the international packs of unwanted animals grows each year. It's a heartbreaking mess that our modern society is contributing to with the nimby attitude and the somebody elses problem.

How can the responsible real people you cite help? Heck if I know, but building ivory towers isn't helping. Take the utter disaster in and around Jakarta a while back. National pack completely out of control then they have a rabies outbreak. The police and military started running out of ammunition from shooting stray dogs. Many locations resorted to cyanide laced bait. Well, the sad fact is, for every animal properly cared for there are dozens that aren't. I've worked as a vet assistant. One week we euthanized over 1000 dogs. I've burned a lot of ammo when there was no viable alternative. And right now there is a heavy cane riding on the front forks of my bicycle which I use about twice each week beating stray and uncontrolled but properly cared for dogs off.

So what is the solution? Well, how about this for just one start? Take a small percentage of the money being poured into needless unnecessary animal cosmetic surgeries and spend it on public education, stronger animal control laws based on common sense, and stricter more universal penalties for animal abuse offenders?

 

[Anonymity82]

If people supported ethical, proper breeders there would be fewer dogs in the shelters in the first place. I said earlier in this thread that every single person I know who has adopted a shelter dog (all mutts) has a dog with health and behaviour problems. This is not an exaggeration. I don't feel like it's my responsibility to saddle myself with an unhealthy or hard to manage animal because some backyard breeder had a litter. It bothers me that people do not do their due diligence when breeding and buying and the solution becomes 'adopt all the shelter dogs!'. Do those dogs deserve a good life? Absolutely. But stopping shelters full of dogs means stopping the root of the problem, not continuing to give these jerks a get out of jail free card by taking their cast-offs with no penalty to them.

Don't get me wrong, I support my shelters - I donate food and used dog beds/toys on a regular basis (in many cases, such as the SPCA, a high portion of monetary donations goes to upper management salary. Check this info before donating just money) but I don't think the solution is adopting, but finding a way to stop backyard breeders and mills.

I agree with your first sentence. Unfortunately most people either don't know how to find one (good breeder) or just want to pay less money. If these same people stopped supporting these backyard breeders or puppy mills by adopting perfectly healthy dogs from local associations the mills/BYBs would not be making money and thus, stop breeding.

Sorry to hear that everyone you know has mutts with health and behavior problems. I have two myself. They're not perfect but by no means is it a serious problem. My one mutt is near 19 years old. He didn't start having health issues until the past couple of years. He actually just beat cancer! Still going. Falling apart slowly but still going.

My other mutt is around 6 years old. She's part chow for sure but the rest is unknown. Her only health issue is an imbalance with her thyroid that's corrected with two pills a day. As for behavior, well she's getting pretty darn good! She used to be unsocialized when my fiance and her parents lived with her in NJ. She actually got pepper sprayed in the face by a mailman she was charging after.

We all moved to NC together and after about a year of not being a dog person I finally fell in love. Our bond grew stronger as well and as that grew so did her obedience. I work at PetSmart and was able to get a free 6 week beginner training course. This is where I really noticed the positive changes. I really don't feel like typing out all of the positive changes and new "tricks" she's learned at 6 years old just by being persistent and dedicated nor do I think you want to read them. She does have one flaw that I gave up on. When we walk around our neighborhood she flips out when she sees other dogs (she's fine at the dog park, she was actually flipping out on a dog on the other side of the fence and when we opened the gate she took off and completely ignored this dog! She's also great with people anywhere we go and mostly ignores other dogs when we're not in our neighborhood) The only reason we gave up on this has to do with the easy walk harness. It's still a pain in the butt but she's not choking herself and with quick tugs and a fast pace she keeps it moving. I would definitely not say she's misbehaved dog in anyway. I know plenty of people who have problem pure breed dogs. Behavior has more to do with the lack of or improper training techniques and less to do with mutt or breed. It's true some breeds train better than others but I believe most dogs can be trained if done properly. It can be easier to train a pure breed only because most people know more about the particular pure breed's behavior patterns thus knowing where to begin with training. You have to use a more trial and error approach with mutts and apparently "aint nobody got time for dat!"

 

[Amoeba]

Pugs are a monstrosity

WHOA WHOA WHOA Lets hold up just a cotton picking minute.

I've had pugs since I was five. Three of them were pets and we had a litter of nine (one stillborn, and we kept one of them)

Never had a single issue except for an eye that popped out in a tiff between mother and daughter. We did our research in breeders and made sure we weren't getting some inbred prone to health issues. Even when we were looking for a stud we picked one with a good record.

The breed itself is not the problem...it's the people indiscriminately breeding just to make puppies to sell.


Also male circumcision and female genital mutilation are in no way the same thing.

On topic: As stated cropping and docking have their uses besides just aesthetics, when done humanely it is no problemo. Declawing in cats is something I don't understand and would support banning.

 

[The Snark]

Pugs are monstrosities. As are certain grade school teachers, a physics professor I once had, certain yachts, various bits architecture and some abstract art. Feel free to substitute any complimentary noun you care to for the word monstrosity. It's all in ones point of view.
For a real monstrosity the English bulldog probably takes top prizes for the simple reason they are so muclebound their personal hygiene tends to be fantastically lacking.
And there we have a tie in and yet another Snark anecdote. A woman I know got a bulldog puppy just because it was stylish and very expensive. She discovered in about 1 hour their odor and ability to drool. It got consigned to a fenced area as far from the owners habitation as possible. I even offered to take it off her hands but no. Being a Thai elite she couldn't possibly part with her status symbol, much less admit she made a mistake.
But the dog was a darling! Knowing I was going to have to wash my hands and take a bath soon anyway I got into her enclosure and romped with her. Talk about chaos! At maybe 3 months old she was built like the proverbial brick oop:house and was around 75 pounds of 10 inch tall playfulness. When I had to leave she was so distraught she put the entirety of her ancestry to work clamping that vice like jaw onto my pants leg. She was determined to keep me forever. After nearly 1 hour of cajoling I found the key to the lock by sitting down, picking her up onto my lap and cuddling her. I then had to get to my feet with her in my arms, step out of the enclosure then set her back in it.
You don't know what monstrosity is until one wants to keep you.

English bulldog: Like the pug in the face only worse. They look like they have spent their lives chasing parked cars. World champion farters (proven), unable to lick (clean) any surface of their body, commonly suffers from poo bottom, has deep 'ropes' of skin folds that can require cleaning every day, and tend to gurgle, wheeze and snore like a bow saw chewing on a hollow barrel.

 

[Anonymity82]

WHOA WHOA WHOA Lets hold up just a cotton picking minute.

I've had pugs since I was five. Three of them were pets and we had a litter of nine (one stillborn, and we kept one of them)

Never had a single issue except for an eye that popped out in a tiff between mother and daughter. We did our research in breeders and made sure we weren't getting some inbred prone to health issues. Even when we were looking for a stud we picked one with a good record.

The breed itself is not the problem...it's the people indiscriminately breeding just to make puppies to sell.


Also male circumcision and female genital mutilation are in no way the same thing.

On topic: As stated cropping and docking have their uses besides just aesthetics, when done humanely it is no problemo. Declawing in cats is something I don't understand and would support banning.

Our neighbor has a pug. Meanest thing alive! I know for a fact this isn't the standard for these adorable creatures but nonetheless, this thing will try to eat you!

The only dogs I hate, well I don't hate the dogs, I hate the owners who don't do anything about it, are the little yippy dogs. The little dogs that do not listen nor shut the hell up no matter what. The dogs that see your dog walk by and bark for the next 45 minutes. The dogs that bark for hours while the owners are not home. The dogs that make you debate how much you enjoy your freedom. The dogs that start to create thoughts in your mind, murderous thoughts. Those dogs. Now, I'm not a fan of shock collars but citronella is a beautiful thing.