- Sep 17, 2002
way to go!
These scorps were found in UT.
some sort of vaejovis?
I'll post the pale and larger P. gracilior forms from so. Chihuahua, MX. These guys were large compared to NM (our ATS excursions). Also, the link to Kari's powerpoint for the Durungo, Chihuahua trip for viewers to see.http://research.amnh.org/users/lorenzo/PPT/Florida_2008.htm for pictures of Florida Centruroides.
Also, if nobody digs up a good picture of P.gracilior I'll be forced to dig through my hard drive for one of mine. They are definitely in competition as one of my favourite US species. Anyone who has seen one fight a full sized cricket will know why.
Sinc. ChadAwesome pics! Thanks Chad, I got that ID from somebody that usually knows their stuff but the ID didn't really seem to fit, I've always wondered about it. Here's another C. vittatus form, Centruroides vittatus pantheriensis(?) I've read there is no color on pantheriensis but is there absolutely no color around the eyes of pantheriensis?, seems like their would be a gradient there with chisosarius and pantheriensis(?) Somebody was trying to tell me that chisosarius is diff species, not vittatus, confuses me, what's the skinny?
Sinc. ChadThat's absolutely stunning, Chad. When you say "larger" how big are we talking?
OK. The one that that looks like sculpturatus is a juvenile I caught from Presidio county tx, so that's prob why the chela dimensions make it look like sculpturatus but it's got to be vittatus, right(?)Hey,
Time revolves and things change and am not sure where you get your information.
I agree with regarding the gradients and zones but the fact of the matter is that there will be variation within a population despite the above. Population genetics and speciation at its best but Centruroides from the Big Bend TX is C. vittatus (no subspecies status IMO) period untill a peer reviewed molecular and systematic analysis is provided for the whole genus. Baja California has extreme variation and size with C. exilicauda, different through with insular/ peninsular effects in populations in general, but variations in color patterns are noted in the Stan's Baja monograph.
Your first picture is C. sculpturatus. Look at chela dimensions with the other photos.
OK. The one that that looks like sculpturatus is a juvenile I caught from Presidio county tx, so that's prob why the chela dimensions make it look like sculpturatus but it's got to be vittatus, right(?)
thank you RHG!! yeah, always kinda wondered.Hey,
From the pictures, the first maybe utahensis or a female of the pale form of boreus and the other is definetly a male of boreus. The last picture is Serradigitus and may be wupatkiensis.
Please note, these are only suggestions from my experiences, and only a true scorpion identification can be made through the use of a scope and species description papers,etc. Veteran AB members know the scenario