Tarantula's VS Scorpions.

[Malhavoc's]

I know this subject will be a lil bias in this section of the forum BUT! Say we put together A adult P emporer scorpion with a terrestial tarantula of the same size. If the two fight who would win? The scorpions has much tougher exoskeleton but the t has the hight advantage. but then one sting could possibly kill the tarantula yet I read in the scorpion forum of someoen dividing a tank between a A avic and a scopr [unsure of type or size of scorp] but the a avic sqwueezed through and killed the scorpion with only a loss of one leg any thoughts on which is the better predator scorps or their match in T's

 

[Mojo Jojo]

*blinks repeatedly slowly -- but not too slowly*

Jon

Honestly, if I had to bet, I would bet on the scorpion.

 

[Malhavoc's]

So would I till I red a T killed one...

 

[Phillip]

Something tells me this question wont get much positive feedback here as the concept is a waste of two animals both deserving more respect than to test the theory.

That being said the edge would probably go to the emp but again this is not a productive thought to be bouncing around in ones skull to begin with.

Phil

 

[Malhavoc's]

I didnt expect much feed back at all to tell you the truth. but it still is a viable question. Consider this scorpions and tarantula's all came from the same ancestor. But they took different evolutionary routes even then they habit the same area's so which is the better hunter which is the ultimate which will survive for the next million years

 

[Wade]

I'm going to assume this is a hypothetical question and you are not considering an actual "experiment".

Although the ranges of scorpions and tarantulas certainly do overlap in many areas of the world, that doesn't mean they're competing in the same ecological niches. Tarantulas are primarily ambush predators, waiting in or near their burrows (or aboreal retreats) for whatever blunders by. Scorpions, on the other hand, may burrow, but will leave the shelter to actively hunt when it's hungry. If a scorpion happens to walk close to a tarantulas burrow, then the spider will have the advantage. However, in open combat, scorpions are probably better equiped, they're fully armored and posess wepons at both ends, while the spider has theat big, soft and relatively unprotected abdomen. Size is of course a factor as well, if one animal is much larger than the other, there will be an obvious advantge.

Who's the better pradator? Depends on the playing field. Tarantulas are great ambush predators, while scorions are much better active hunters.

A friend of mine who worked in a pet store ACCIDENTLY set up this very senario once. He was cleaning cages at the store, and needed to do something with an A. avicularia whil he cleaned it's cage. The cage next to it had an emperor scorpion in it. He reasoned that the spider would stay up at the top and the two would be fine together for the few minutes he needed to clean the Avic's cage. He cleaned the cage, and returned to find the emperor tearing into the Avic like a redneck at an all-you-can-eat crablegs resturant. He actully managed to rescue the spider, but it was missing at least four legs!

Wade

 

[Code Monkey]

Originally posted by Wade
He cleaned the cage, and returned to find the emperor tearing into the Avic like a redneck at an all-you-can-eat crablegs resturant.

Classic visual =D

 

[looseyfur]

wow-
whats with the degradation of the quality of posts around here lately.

anyhow I would move this thread be closed.
one: it has been asked before and got similar distain from other fourm members.
two: Its a strait up troll fest of a post imo
three: even the mild suggestion that someone would do something like this is asinine.


I didnt expect much feed back at all to tell you the truth. but it still is a viable question. Consider this scorpions and tarantula's all came from the same ancestor. But they took different evolutionary routes even then they habit the same area's so which is the better hunter which is the ultimate which will survive for the next million years

um so how does this statement validate this thread? According to this theory which applies to EVERY creature on the planet what scientifical benefit or realization are we supposed to have on the subject by theorizing on these two animals combating?


honestly its [edited] like this that has me only reading select ppls post. how sad.


loosey

 

[abstract]

honestly its [edited] like this that has me only reading select ppls post. how sad.

I completely disagree. People think of things sometimes, hypothetical as they may be, that would be something that could be considered inappropriate to do.

Either way, it's a legitimate question, and there is no way this thread should be closed. I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing it just for the sake of discussion!

Now, if you were some crazy teenager that just did this as an experiment, then posted saying how cool it was - then I'd be upset.

If you have a legitamite question or something to ponder - post it! Why keep quiet because you're scared how some people may react - I don't think that's the environment this "forum for discussion" is supposed to offer.

That's the way I look at it.

 

[skinheaddave]

As long as it is kept civil, I see absolutely no reason to close this thread.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[Valael]

It's not the first time a thread like this has popped up.



I think it's strictly a "luck" thing. Heh, I don't know how else to say it.


But some people report Ts winning, others report Scorps winning.


I talked to a lady back when I worked at Wal Mart who used to run a petstore. She tried to put a T and a scorp into the same cage with a divider. (Emp and a G. Rosea)

G. Rosea squeezed over and proceeded to eat the Emp. Lost a couple legs (If I remember correctly, it had 5 left in the end.) but most definitely "won" the fight.

 

[greensleeves]

Originally posted by Valael
I talked to a lady back when I worked at Wal Mart who used to run a petstore. She tried to put a T and a scorp into the same cage with a divider. (Emp and a G. Rosea)

I'm just astounded by WalMart selling Ts and scorps!

Greensleeves

 

[Tangled WWWeb]

While in college, I worked at a petstore where I saw this intentionally done. Let me stress that this was not done by me , nor do I condone such behavior. The species involved were G. rosea and P. imperator. I assume that neither was hungry because they ignored each other even after being prodded together several times.

John

 

[skinheaddave]

Originally posted by greensleeves
I'm just astounded by WalMart selling Ts and scorps!

They don't. Read what he said again.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[MrFeexit]

I would not close a thread based on thoughts. Censorship in any form really irks me. I enjoy having the choice to make rather than having the choice made for me.

 

[esmoot]

"Although the ranges of scorpions and tarantulas certainly do overlap in many areas of the world, that doesn't mean they're competing in the same ecological niches." Wade

This exact scenario does happen right here in the states. Tarantulas and scorps pretty much live side by side in CA. I saw the remains of a eaten scorp outside a t's burrow that had to be around 3". From what I saw they both had burrows very close but the scorps were in a smaller area.

 

[Henry Kane]

Originally posted by looseyfur
wow-
whats with the degradation of the quality of posts around here lately.

anyhow I would move this thread be closed.
one: it has been asked before and got similar distain from other fourm members.
two: Its a strait up troll fest of a post imo
three: even the mild suggestion that someone would do something like this is asinine.


I didnt expect much feed back at all to tell you the truth. but it still is a viable question. Consider this scorpions and tarantula's all came from the same ancestor. But they took different evolutionary routes even then they habit the same area's so which is the better hunter which is the ultimate which will survive for the next million years

um so how does this statement validate this thread? According to this theory which applies to EVERY creature on the planet what scientifical benefit or realization are we supposed to have on the subject by theorizing on these two animals combating?


honestly its [edited] like this that has me only reading select ppls post. how sad.


loosey

What degradation? I've been here a long long time and I see a positive developement of the contents of this site and the posts. Of course with over 1,000 members, not everyone may recognize the quality or validity of a post but that's the beauty of the many many threads on various topics. You said it yourself, be selective of what you read here. That's not as sad as the time you wasted pointing out irrelevent feelings on the topic.

The question is not asinine in my opinion. Many hobbyists have asked this question. Nothing wrong with a little theoretical discussion is there? Also, invertibrates DO battle it out to the death in nature, is mother nature asinine for allowing this? That doesn't mean it's ok to do it in captivity butI think 99.999% of the hobbyists here know that...again, nothing wrong with a theoretical question. In fact, my introduction to centipede keeping sparked from a Discovery Channel presentation where they showed this HUGE centipede hunt down, attack and devour a tarantula in the wild. I found it fascinating to say the least. In the years I've been keeping centi's, I've wondered many times which T species may actually be capable of dominating my 10"+ Subspinipes dehaani. Key word, "wondered". I would never in a million years conduct this as an experiment and feel silly for having to point that out.

I feel that what validates this thread is the simple fact that someone asked. That's what the forums are for, invert related discussion.

Now, if someome were actually posting that they would follow through with an invert fight, I'd rip into them as quickly as anybody but I think you'd be surprised at the number of hobbyists who question the superiority of different inverts.

Anyhow, this is just my outlook Loosey, no animosity here and I hope you don't see this as a degraded quality post. Just trying to point out a perspective you didn't seem to have noticed.

See ya.

Atrax

 

[looseyfur]

Originally posted by Phillip
Something tells me this question wont get much positive feedback here as the concept is a waste of two animals both deserving more respect than to test the theory.

That being said the edge would probably go to the emp but again this is not a productive thought to be bouncing around in ones skull to begin with.

Phil

I should have just concured with this instead of opening up another can of worms...

loosey

 

[Henry Kane]

Originally posted by looseyfur
I should have just concured with this instead of opening up another can of worms...

loosey

Now that's a shame. Why would you view it as opening a can of worms? Where is the negative element to any of this? Some of the most beneficial knowledge in this hobby is spawned by discussion where someone may have challeneged "common knowledge". Not that this particular thread has that much significance but I feel the over-sensitive patrons on any board are the degrading factor. They allow personal emotion to block constructive theory. Imagine the flack you would have received for telling the world the Earth is round back when. Yet, look at the immense expansion of knowledge stemmed from that particular challenge of "common knowledge".

It's too bad you regret having posted your thoughts. I Hope your outlook doesn't narrow your boundaries in the future.

Atrax

 

[danread]

My only comment is that a centipede would kick both their asses with half its legs tied behind it's back (and if anyone managed to do that i'd be seriously impressed )

Dan.