Unlikely as they both habitate seperate continents.
Tarantula's VS Scorpions.
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Unlikely as they both habitate seperate continents.
You know; I have a friend that keeps a Terestial Tarantula, well a Tarantula, and 3 Emperors Scorpions in the same tank with no divider. The tank is setup like a desert. One of the Scorpions is about the same size as the Tarantula while the other two combined isn't even half the size of the Tarantula. I think he got the smaller ones about a week or so ago while the big one and Tarantula has spent most of their lives together. I hadn't been over to his house in a while.
I watched them for a long time. He told me that the slight scuffle the Tarantula and the big one had while I was there was only the third one that he knew of. The Tarantula still has 8 legs and as far as I can tell is still in very good health. All they did when they were roaming the tank is get into defensive stance. The Scorpion walked under the Tarantula and it tried clamping down to only get three quick strikes from the scorpion. After they backed away from each other, he took them out to check on them. The fangs of the Tarantula did not pierce the Scorpions torso, and the Taranula had no visible signs of damage. The two smaller ones generally avoid contact from the Tarantula, and the bigger Scorpion seems to keep an eye on them and the Tarantula.
I also got to watch them eat. The Tarantula generally sets up in a corner trapping Crickets that tried evading the scorpions only to get caught by the Tarantula. The big one eventually came over to the corner crawled over the Tarantula and they simply ignored each other even though the Tarantula got tipped over.
After observing them together, I don't see a problem. Also, after observing this, I think that a Scorpion and Tarantula as the poster suggested of equal size would avoid each other as much as possible and would not risk mortal wounds.
I thought that this might be of some interest. Also one thing my friend told me was if I decided to mimic this not to have more than one Tarantula in the same tank without a divider; they will fight. He also told me that he made that mistake once, and one of the Tarantula's tried climbing out of the tank while he was putting in crickets.
I watched them for a long time. He told me that the slight scuffle the Tarantula and the big one had while I was there was only the third one that he knew of. The Tarantula still has 8 legs and as far as I can tell is still in very good health. All they did when they were roaming the tank is get into defensive stance. The Scorpion walked under the Tarantula and it tried clamping down to only get three quick strikes from the scorpion. After they backed away from each other, he took them out to check on them. The fangs of the Tarantula did not pierce the Scorpions torso, and the Taranula had no visible signs of damage. The two smaller ones generally avoid contact from the Tarantula, and the bigger Scorpion seems to keep an eye on them and the Tarantula.
I also got to watch them eat. The Tarantula generally sets up in a corner trapping Crickets that tried evading the scorpions only to get caught by the Tarantula. The big one eventually came over to the corner crawled over the Tarantula and they simply ignored each other even though the Tarantula got tipped over.
After observing them together, I don't see a problem. Also, after observing this, I think that a Scorpion and Tarantula as the poster suggested of equal size would avoid each other as much as possible and would not risk mortal wounds.
I thought that this might be of some interest. Also one thing my friend told me was if I decided to mimic this not to have more than one Tarantula in the same tank without a divider; they will fight. He also told me that he made that mistake once, and one of the Tarantula's tried climbing out of the tank while he was putting in crickets.
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I for one would not condone this. I just don't want anyone to think it is okay. So it is my form of a disclaimer.
Sounds very interesting , but the guy should really spring for another tank methinks.
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honestly unless provoked and with adequate room im sure they would mostly try to avoid each other. but i also would never try it
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If the tank is set up like a desert, it shouldn't be too much of a problem, as the emperor scorpions won't last too long in that environment.
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Haha, nice call.as the emperor scorpions won't last too long in that environment.
He obviously doesn't know how to care for them correctly, so they're stressed out quite a bit. Making for less squabbling.
But in the wild, I'd understand them ignoring each other if they just bump legs or something, they know what they're dealing with.
But a scorp hanging under a rock, while a T wanders up to it to walk over, the scorp could grab and shove its stinger in the T's face. Or the T in its hide, senses the scorp coming, and comes tearing out jabbing its fangs into the scorp and flipping it over. They could each kill each other under advantageous conditions.
But in most cases, I think putting them together would probably lead to seriously damaging each other, or death.
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i didnt even think of the environments requirments, thats a really good call becca.
And yea perhaps the scorps are in not great health meaning they avoid potential threats, and for that reason the T just leaves them be?
And yea perhaps the scorps are in not great health meaning they avoid potential threats, and for that reason the T just leaves them be?
Really? He's had the big one and the Tarantula for a long time. It's simply basic sand that you can buy at the pet store with a simple heat pad underneath. It's not very deep, so aside from what burrowing they make for themselves there is no enclaves/burrows.
It's not like he's using a heat lamp. I'll ask about it the next time I see him. As I said though I don't see the problem, they mostly avoid each other in the tank save when the Tarantula is hogging the crickets in the corner, and the big one simply crawls over it and knocks the Tarantula over allowing the crickets to escape. The Tarantula simply went back into the corner and waited for the crickets to hop back in.
Beats me on the requirements I'd take the suggestions from the pet store or what I've read, but I understand that a heat pad is sufficient enviromental requirements to sustain Tarantula's or Scorpions.
I do realize that they'd be more stressed than they would having their own tank, but the Tarantula and the big one has been there for a long time. The only other stress problem would be if you wanted to handle them, and I think of them as watchful pets. I wouldn't handle either of them personally.
It's not like he's using a heat lamp. I'll ask about it the next time I see him. As I said though I don't see the problem, they mostly avoid each other in the tank save when the Tarantula is hogging the crickets in the corner, and the big one simply crawls over it and knocks the Tarantula over allowing the crickets to escape. The Tarantula simply went back into the corner and waited for the crickets to hop back in.
Beats me on the requirements I'd take the suggestions from the pet store or what I've read, but I understand that a heat pad is sufficient enviromental requirements to sustain Tarantula's or Scorpions.
I do realize that they'd be more stressed than they would having their own tank, but the Tarantula and the big one has been there for a long time. The only other stress problem would be if you wanted to handle them, and I think of them as watchful pets. I wouldn't handle either of them personally.
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which obvisouly meens it was staged duH! lol;P
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First off, heating pads underneath the cage can cause problems because overheated T's dig to get cooler, (ground is warmed from above). If it digs down to cool, it only gets warmer, the T doesn't know that, and will continue to dig only to burn itself.
Do not listen to petstores. Unless its a privately owned knowledgable person.
Sometimes you get good people in petstores, but new people don't know the difference.
Emperor scorpions require moist substrate, and decent humidity. No matter what you read, they want moisture. They like deep substrate, as the sometimes burrow in a bit. Especially in hides. (But they don't make burrows like T's).
Proving how stressed out it is. A healthy alert T would retaliate and show the scorp she wants it to buzz off. Not cower away to a corner.
That would have to be one brain dead Tarantula. Let me see if I follow you. The sun in a natural enviroment is above the ground heating the planet, so the Tarantula knows to seek shelter underground in a burrow to cool off while it doesn't have the same sense when the heat is coming from below. I find that hard to believe. A sense of touch is a sense of touch. If the Tarantula feels warmer going down, or the air is cooler than the ground. I would have to say that the Tarantula would know.
Most creatures stressed enough not to defend themselves also don't eat, and the Tarantula was eating. It was in fact hogging the crickets that managed to jump away from the Scorpions into its trap. Most creatures save humans only attack when they feel threatened or are hunting. Humans are the only ones that hunt for the sport of it.
Do you have a Tarantula? If so does it attack you when you try handling it provided you try handling it. You forget that I've witnessed how these two are together, and they only come to blows when they feel threatened such as when one attacks the other. Most of their encounters is defense stance and they go back to their respective territories. They only interject those territories while hunting crickets. When they don't have crickets, they generally only go near each other if there's only one sponge with water in it to drink.
Finally, I only own a cat, so beats me on how to care for either or. That's why I'm researching them.
Most creatures stressed enough not to defend themselves also don't eat, and the Tarantula was eating. It was in fact hogging the crickets that managed to jump away from the Scorpions into its trap. Most creatures save humans only attack when they feel threatened or are hunting. Humans are the only ones that hunt for the sport of it.
Do you have a Tarantula? If so does it attack you when you try handling it provided you try handling it. You forget that I've witnessed how these two are together, and they only come to blows when they feel threatened such as when one attacks the other. Most of their encounters is defense stance and they go back to their respective territories. They only interject those territories while hunting crickets. When they don't have crickets, they generally only go near each other if there's only one sponge with water in it to drink.
Finally, I only own a cat, so beats me on how to care for either or. That's why I'm researching them.
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its instinct, tarantula's aren't really a problem solving animal. Your giving them too much credit.
Plus the information people are giving you here is from years of experience among hundreds of individuals.
Also there should never be a sponge in there, thats a breeding ground for parasites and mites.
Plus the information people are giving you here is from years of experience among hundreds of individuals.
Also there should never be a sponge in there, thats a breeding ground for parasites and mites.
Yes, I was agreeing with your original synopsis.
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"its instinct, tarantula's aren't really a problem solving animal. Your giving them too much credit.
Plus the information people are giving you here is from years of experience among hundreds of individuals.
Also there should never be a sponge in there, thats a breeding ground for parasites and mites."
I'm saying that their acute sense of touch would tell them; the air is cooler than the ground and will likely climb a some what high object realizing burrowing would bring them to all purposes the tanks core. Place a heat pad underneath and place a bark leaning against one side, and I lay you 10 to 1 if the Tarantula gets hot. It will climb the bark to cool down.
I don't think a lamp is a good idea because it essentially turns the entire tank into a Green House. A Heat lamp has the ability to heat the tank itself as well as its contents. Wouldn't that be even worse than a heat pad alone? If a water sponge is a parasite paradise wouldn't it stand to reason that having anything moist inside the tank hold the same thing? If it's a heat lamp heating the tank, I doubt it's much of a problem after all the heat lamp will evaporate the moisture relatively fast. A tank is a window on three sides, and the heat pad is only strong enough to heat the bottom while the lamp has the ability to heat all three.
Plus the information people are giving you here is from years of experience among hundreds of individuals.
Also there should never be a sponge in there, thats a breeding ground for parasites and mites."
I'm saying that their acute sense of touch would tell them; the air is cooler than the ground and will likely climb a some what high object realizing burrowing would bring them to all purposes the tanks core. Place a heat pad underneath and place a bark leaning against one side, and I lay you 10 to 1 if the Tarantula gets hot. It will climb the bark to cool down.
I don't think a lamp is a good idea because it essentially turns the entire tank into a Green House. A Heat lamp has the ability to heat the tank itself as well as its contents. Wouldn't that be even worse than a heat pad alone? If a water sponge is a parasite paradise wouldn't it stand to reason that having anything moist inside the tank hold the same thing? If it's a heat lamp heating the tank, I doubt it's much of a problem after all the heat lamp will evaporate the moisture relatively fast. A tank is a window on three sides, and the heat pad is only strong enough to heat the bottom while the lamp has the ability to heat all three.
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most T's dont need extra heat added. Ive kept blondi's and other tropical species perfectly well at room temperature. If your house gets below 65 then probably the best thing is a small space heater in the room you keep your T's in.
Your bet of 10 to 1 is a bad way to put it, becuase i have seen many people with injured T's from being burned (two of them i saw first hand from a friend's H. Lividum and C. Crawshayi). They both kept burrowing lower and lower and got burned on his heat pads. Since then he has taken all heat pads off and all 30 of his T's are doing fine at room temp. Heat lamps aren't good because they dry out the area, heat pads can be hazardous to their health.
A spong soaks up water, and lets it get stale inside it. And yes soaking substrate does create mite problems. Thats why for the most part the substrates are either dry, or slightly moist, with an open water dish, that is changed to clean water regularly.
Your bet of 10 to 1 is a bad way to put it, becuase i have seen many people with injured T's from being burned (two of them i saw first hand from a friend's H. Lividum and C. Crawshayi). They both kept burrowing lower and lower and got burned on his heat pads. Since then he has taken all heat pads off and all 30 of his T's are doing fine at room temp. Heat lamps aren't good because they dry out the area, heat pads can be hazardous to their health.
A spong soaks up water, and lets it get stale inside it. And yes soaking substrate does create mite problems. Thats why for the most part the substrates are either dry, or slightly moist, with an open water dish, that is changed to clean water regularly.
Ok, is a Scorpion perfectly comfortable in a tank with a heat pad? I'd need to double check the name, but it reminds me of sand.
Wouldn't a heat pad in the winter function better than a space heater? If a buy a Tarantula and or a Scorpion it'll be in a 10 by 10 room and I like to keep the thermastadt at 70. Is this sufficient to sustain heat for both?
I have been thinking of buying a few Emperor Scorpions and maybe a couple of Tarantula's, but I read the species that is communal also requires moist areas.
Wouldn't a heat pad in the winter function better than a space heater? If a buy a Tarantula and or a Scorpion it'll be in a 10 by 10 room and I like to keep the thermastadt at 70. Is this sufficient to sustain heat for both?
I have been thinking of buying a few Emperor Scorpions and maybe a couple of Tarantula's, but I read the species that is communal also requires moist areas.
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Emps are communal with each other. They require moist dirt like substrates. Rosea's need soil too but bone dry is fine. No T should really be kept communal.
It is 30-35 degrees by me usually, and I keep my T's (blondi, king baboon, and other warm area species) with no heat pad, my house is usually about 70-73. They have done fine for me.
Only scorps that may need heat added is desert scorps like Egyptian and Mid Eastern, and maybe from Arizona. I dont own any of them so I dont know for sure (i plan to add one in the future though)
It is 30-35 degrees by me usually, and I keep my T's (blondi, king baboon, and other warm area species) with no heat pad, my house is usually about 70-73. They have done fine for me.
Only scorps that may need heat added is desert scorps like Egyptian and Mid Eastern, and maybe from Arizona. I dont own any of them so I dont know for sure (i plan to add one in the future though)
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Know who you're talking to before making such a stupid comment.
Own some tarantulas and know how they behave before telling me something like this, you've made on assumptions from vertebrates.
Even if stressed it would probably eat eventually. How long has it lived in this manner? I know how tarantulas behave when stressed, and I know how a healthy tarantula behaves towards attackers.
It was eating. Thats it. Not outsmarting the scorp, or anything else.
Haha! If you know how aggressive haplopelma's are, look in my photo thread ( http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=78409 ) for a picture of me handling a Haplopelma longipes. Yes it will defend itself.
No, I don't forget, I don't think you're interpreting their behavior incorrectly.