Tarantula's VS Scorpions.

[Seen1980]

Shadowblade,

The big Emperor and the Tarantula have been in that tank; I am estimating about a year. I think they've been together since they were young. All I know is the Tarantula and Scorpion got really big from the last time I was there.
The smaller ones are newer additions; they weren't there last time I visited.

You do need to bare in mind is until coming to this site; I only have what I have observed when I'm at my friends. Or, what I have read online. I think the source is good because I've noted the same information posted on these boards. So, yes, I am utterly clueless on how these Arachnids behave; especially since, I am not at my friends 100% of the time. I am very much considering on buying a few Emperors and a Tarantula. I'm open to suggestions on the Tarantula though I would like more information.
By the sounds of it, you have never seen a prolonged reaction among Scorpions and Tarantulas in the same tank. My friend and I are very enviromental. I'm willing to make an educated guess that the Tarantula is found in an area of the world that a Emperor is found or is as non-aggressive as possible while the Emperor Scorpions I am given to understand is a mellow Scorpion though maybe not as docile as a flatrock.
I'm pretty sure the Tarantula is not suggested as a Tarantula that hunts Emperor Scorpions either or from what I read a Baboon. A Baboon Tarantula and a Emperor Scorpion strikes me as inviting the cow to the butcher.

As to the pictures, what in the world is the bottom one???

 

[ShadowBlade]

I'm not accusing you of lacking information. I commented on your friend's keeping conditions of his pets, not your invertebrate knowledge.

He obviously doesn't know how to care for them correctly, so they're stressed out quite a bit. Making for less squabbling.
But in the wild, I'd understand them ignoring each other if they just bump legs or something, they know what they're dealing with.

This is all I said. It was all about his keeping conditions, which are incorrect, and DO cause stress for both creatures. Emperor scorpions require humid condtions, and dry evironments are not 'environmentally correct'. Tarantulas are solitary creatures, and want to be farther then three feet of another invertebrate. Especially in competition for food.

When you contested my post, I had to prove my points. I think its great you want to get into invertebrates. You'll find no better place for knowledge then here.

As to the pictures, what in the world is the bottom one???

Bottom of which page?

 

[Seen1980]

Ephebopus uatuman I copied and pasted the latin name to google it. The particular color of yours is somewhat creepy to me. I wasn't even sure if that was simply another spider and very poisonious. (I forgot to remember the english name. I guess it deals with its torso color...)

I'll be sure to pass that onto him. Thanks for the information, the pet store that I'm closest to doesn't sell more than a Baboon Tarantula and a Rose Hair Tarantula. While I'm thinking of it, where would I look to get the latin names. I stumbled into one the other night, but I forgot to bookmark it.

If I remember correctly, I read that there is another type of Scorpion that lives in groups, and they can be intermixed. It's on the same site that had the latin/English names as well as information. I'll try clicking on Sheri's beginners post. It has the same setup as that when you click on the name with the disclaimer at the bottom...

I'll check out the pet store on the way home from work tomorrow since it's on the way home over bedding. I'd think mud is sufficient???

 

[ShadowBlade]

Ephebopus uatuman I copied and pasted the latin name to google it. The particular color of yours is somewhat creepy to me. I wasn't even sure if that was simply another spider and very poisonious. (I forgot to remember the english name. I guess it deals with its torso color...)

Yeah, its a pretty cool tarantula. Although its adult coloration is a more drab green, but still has bright leg segment bands. Its common name is the "Emerald Skeleton".

If I remember correctly, I read that there is another type of Scorpion that lives in groups,

Yeah, there are many species of communal scorps.

and they can be intermixed.

Um... Not too sure of how often that happens.

And I answered your PM about the rest.

 

[verry_sweet]

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[james41777]

wow that's a cool video..but..the risk thing..
did the tarantula live?

 

[verry_sweet]

I don't know if the T lived but I would like to find out.

I have no experience with scorps but can there stinger even penetrate the exoskeleton of a T?:?

 

[Midnightrdr456]

yes it can, whether that T lived, i dont think the scorp clearly stung him though

 

[Palespider]

It seems like every T vs Scorp video I've seen the T wanders right into the Scorpions grasp. Now if that scorp blindlessly wandered into the T it would have been different. With 2 near sighted beasts like these the one sitting waiting will always have the pre-emptive strike and will most likely win.

 

[Malhavoc's]

Just my two cents, but I know Alot of Pede species activly hunt spiders, for their own enjoyment, hell there are species of trap door spiders that have had to evolve deffenses just for the pedes.

And in response to that video, I dont think you can clearly count either a win or loss, as it didnt follow the Tarantula to see the effect of the Scorpions Venom, Which would be a big part in a hypothetical battle.

 

[Seen1980]

According the the video, the first strike from the Scorpion's tail looked like it connected. I think that Scorpion is a Flatrock Scorpion or the Israli something or another. I think it's likely a Flatrock by its body. Its tail isn't very developed, so it's not likely a deadly Scorpion. Can a Bee kill a Tarantula? I know Wasps can because their Venom is much more potent.
From everything I have researched on since my friend keeps his Arachnids badly. I've never seen a Tarantula have the ability to make first strike. What type of Tarantula was that in the video any. My friends Tarantula is roughly the same color but reacts much differently in a fight than that one.
My friends Tarantula likes to rear up on its hind legs with it's two front raised high. I'm not sure if the fangs are drawn or not. His big Emperor generally gets into defense stance slightly different than that one does, but I normally see them from the sides. The video doesn't give a good view. The only similarity I see is the Scorpions grabs the second to front set of legs to avoid getting clamped down on.
I am curious what type of Tarantula my friend has? It is about the same color and stands on its hind legs when it feels threatened by the Scorpions. Maybe someone can tell me.

 

[ShadowBlade]

In the video looks like an Aphonopelma sp. Chances are your friend has a Grammastola rosea, (rose-hair). As its THE most common T in petstores.

 

[stealth15psi]

After seeing how that poor guy had his T killed by an errant cricket leg, it seems like luck plays a small but measurable role in encounters between critters.

 

[ShadowBlade]

measurable

That was one in a billion. It would be measurable if it happened atleast once a year. But it doesn't.

Yes, luck can have an effect, but it doesn't need to be included when trying to determine the outcome of a fight.

 

[stealth15psi]

That was one in a billion. It would be measurable if it happened atleast once a year. But it doesn't.

Yes, luck can have an effect, but it doesn't need to be included when trying to determine the outcome of a fight.

Given the huge population of tarantulas in the world, one in a billion doesn't seem like that uncommon. The cricket's natural weapon seemed to work exactly like it was supposed to (tragically), so who know how often this happens in the wild, where crickets and grasshoppers exist with legs even more wicked than that one.

Most of you seem to agree that the predator that is laying in wait gets first strike. First strike generally equals last strike with either of these creatures. If first strike isn't fatal, all bets are off, and it's anybody's game from there. I contend that luck is the second most important factor in the fight, right after first strike.

 

[ShadowBlade]

Given the huge population of tarantulas in the world, one in a billion doesn't seem like that uncommon. The cricket's natural weapon seemed to work exactly like it was supposed to (tragically), so who know how often this happens in the wild, where crickets and grasshoppers exist with legs even more wicked than that one.

Listen, that happened to a SPIDERLING. It sounds like you haven't seen an adult T kill something. They jam 1" fangs crushing into the preys exoskeleton pull their fangs apart ripping it, and hold it up in the air so the prey can't struggle against it. Crickets stand NO chance doing that to an adult T. Only a giant weta might do it.

Most of you seem to agree that the predator that is laying in wait gets first strike. First strike generally equals last strike with either of these creatures. If first strike isn't fatal, all bets are off, and it's anybody's game from there. I contend that luck is the second most important factor in the fight, right after first strike.

As I said earlier. It not just first strike that matters. Its the one who is prepared more. If one is set up ambush, it will most likely kill the wandering attacker. T or scorp.

 

[stealth15psi]

Listen, that happened to a SPIDERLING. It sounds like you haven't seen an adult T kill something. They jam 1" fangs crushing into the preys exoskeleton pull their fangs apart ripping it, and hold it up in the air so the prey can't struggle against it. Crickets stand NO chance doing that to an adult T. Only a giant weta might do it.

I've enjoyed being a tarantula owner for many years, and have enjoyed watching them partake of many meals. That's a pretty good description of how one eats.

Are always so condescending or do you reserve that exclusively for new people?

 

[ShadowBlade]

Are always so condescending or do you reserve that exclusively for new people?

You have argued my points as much as I have yours. If you think a crik can kick a T's abdomen, I'm sorry, then it sounds like you've never seen one kill something.

I did not mean that as an offense. But it sounded like it I'm sure. I apologize.

 

[stealth15psi]

Thanks, man. I was just trying to get involved in the conversation, maybe even play devil's advocate a little bit. I know you know your stuff...I can only dream about having a collection as big as yours.

Scorpion vs T is an interesting topic and fun to hypothesize about.

 

[Midnightrdr456]

heh, just give it time, many T collections seems to grow, hence the term addiction