Tarantula vs. Mouse Video - Compfused

[tmanjim]

Personally, I'm With Becca. I Raised Most Of Mt T's From Babies And Am Not Going To Risk Injury If Not Necessary. Fact Is I Hate Crickets And Rather Enjoy Seeing Them Get Taken Downand Chowed.

 

[MizM]

Yes, that was a typo. The problems were observed for tarantulas who had a diet mainly consisting of vertebrates. Pinkies have approximately 15 times the calcium of invertebrate prey items.

Sheri, you don't need to run out to buy pinkies.

Thanks hon. I was so tired I couldn't have even told you the difference between the two, let alone spell them!

I'm hoping Christian and all will write something up soon. In the meantime, you can get all the details at the R.I.E.S.M. Yahoo site. Although Windchaser seems to have the facts nailed down pretty well!

 

[common spider]

I think its great.I have lots of luck with feeding mice to my T's and they love them.I used a stopwatch to cee how fast the mouse dies and it is right around 1 min.


Mice as food make the T very happy.When I feed my larger T's mice they do the happy dance for almost 2 days.

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[Sheri]

I think its great.I have lots of luck with feeding mice to my T's and they love them.I used a stopwatch to cee how fast the mouse dies and it is right around 1 min.


Mice as food make the T very happy.When I feed my larger T's mice they do the happy dance for almost 2 days.

8)

Ok, I have fed live pinkies, and live fuzzies to larger T's (blondi) but I take no pleasure in it. It is interesting, from a biological standpoint, and always a stunning display of power of the predator but at the same time the mammal in me screams in horror. Like a car accident, of course, I watch... but there is little doubt to me that there is a segment of the population that feed mice far more often than they have to, to species that do not require it. And in those cases I really have to wonder what the motivation is.

I mean, I love watching nature shows, and all my favorite animals are predatory. I literally jump when the pounce and attack, getting right into it. But I after giving it some thought it is NOT because I want to see something killed, but because the capability and skill of the animal completely blows me away. I think fundamentally, there is a chasm of difference between the two.

Unless I am deluding myself and massaging a sore conscience. That possibility must be admitted if the matter is to be given any critical thought, I suppose.

I mean, to not be impressed by a hunter when you keep them, study them in part because the hunting fascinates you would be hypocritical to say the least. But in terms of a pleasure response analysed - I am not getting off on watching some relatively defenseless animal get slaughtered.

I would seriously consider any association with people in the hobby that did as I can't see that kind of interest as a genuine passion for the creature as part of a larger chain in the animal kingdom which is how we should view it, if we are to promote the hobby in a positive way.

Thoughts?

 

[MizM]

Ok, I have fed live pinkies, and live fuzzies to larger T's (blondi) but I take no pleasure in it. It is interesting, from a biological standpoint, and always a stunning display of power of the predator but at the same time the mammal in me screams in horror. Like a car accident, of course, I watch... but there is little doubt to me that there is a segment of the population that feed mice far more often than they have to, to species that do not require it. And in those cases I really have to wonder what the motivation is.

I mean, I love watching nature shows, and all my favorite animals are predatory. I literally jump when the pounce and attack, getting right into it. But I after giving it some thought it is NOT because I want to see something killed, but because the capability and skill of the animal completely blows me away. I think fundamentally, there is a chasm of difference between the two.

Unless I am deluding myself and massaging a sore conscience. That possibility must be admitted if the matter is to be given any critical thought, I suppose.

I mean, to not be impressed by a hunter when you keep them, study them in part because the hunting fascinates you would be hypocritical to say the least. But in terms of a pleasure response analysed - I am not getting off on watching some relatively defenseless animal get slaughtered.

I would seriously consider any association with people in the hobby that did as I can't see that kind of interest as a genuine passion for the creature as part of a larger chain in the animal kingdom which is how we should view it, if we are to promote the hobby in a positive way.

Thoughts?

I agree, completely. When I DO feed vertebrates, I watch long enough to ensure the T gets the poor creature firmly in her fangs. Once I'm comfortable that my T won't be injured, I leave the scene... quickly. As a lover of all creatures, it wrenches my heart to hear the little squeaks of the mice when they are harpooned.

It's a beautiful sight to see a leopard take down a small antelope. The display of strength, speed and intelligence is breathtaking. Yet we don't say "Yeah, rip that baby apart!" She's simply doing what she has to do to survive.

IMHO, anyone who gets off on the carnage of the predatory world really doesn't belong in the hobby. That's NOT what were about.

 

[Jmadson13]

one thing you have to realize is the mouse in this movie is a genetically watered down lab mouse and is completly domesticated. they have almost no ability to defend themselves when compaired to a wild cousin of equal size. did you see how it just stood there inches away from the t looking at it. no defense mechanisms or insticts at all. while i wouldnt say i advocate feeding a mouse to an equally sized t (and certainly wouldnt try it on my animals) my money would be on the T everytime.

also i find it disturbing when people think that animals should be held to similar ethical standards as humans. i dont advocate torture or mistreatment but animals do not have the right to anything especially domesticated ones.

Genetically watered down or not I've seen some horific bites to snakes that so called watered down rodents were left in with over night. They'll all defend themselves in a fight or flight situation. And a mouse that size could very well kill that spider

 

[rastro111]

Sure and I could very well kill a lion with a sharp stick. My point is/was it’s not very likely. If you are willing to take the small risk to observe your animal's behavior go ahead

cerbera, to clarify, what is so provocative about your statements to me is that you believe there is some sort of universal set of 'rights' that animals are entitled too as well as your concept of what rights are. to me rights are not an abstract idea of entitlement I grant myself, but rather a real set of rules granted by my government (to whom I pay taxes) that are written into laws which are enforced directly. The key part is the force that sustains rights (police, military, courts, ect.) is the only thing keeping them around. When i say i have rights it is not a belief it is a very real fact.

With that said I don’t agree with animal cruelty and I do respect life but it is an issue to be taken care of within our respective societies (which hopefully reflects the views of its peoples)

Furthermore, I believe that if people like you would take the energies they put into improving the lives of animals into improving the lives of humans then the world would truly be a better place

 

[Andy]

Ok - I accept that a lab mouse is, to some extent, a different, and less hostile ball game than a wild specimen. But then I read this...



Aah. thank you, Rastro - someone demonstrating concisely, and perfectly my previous point about attitude, and lack of respect for life. A person who can say that about animals - that they have no rights, is a perfect example of the kind of keeper I am talking about in my previous posts on this thread.

Yes they do have rights, Rastro. They are alive, which makes them different to stationary objects. That alone would give them the right to a life NOT exploited by us for our own entertainment, in my book, just as you would no doubt award yourself the 'right' not to be exploited by anyone else. The faliure to realize this by certain individuals is perhaps the most worrying thing I have seen on this board. Is it not obvious that if we take something from its home, and move it somewhere else because we want to look after it, for whatever reason - we OWE it to that animal to do it well, and maintain a respect for its life.

Now without going into some whole other debate, where I'd point out that actually none of us have any rights to anything, and the fact that some of us think we do is a sparkling advertisement for ego's out of control, I shall quietly bow out, and remove myself from a situation I feel it is pointless battlling...

Thank you, to those who did, for listening.

All i was really trying to say was - I think it's great when people look after their spiders well, and I wish the few that don't, would. Now what was provocative about that ? I shall end my participation in this particular thread by returning strictly to topic, and saying - nicely shot video

Let me guess, your a vegan?


How you can all abuse this guy/gal for making this video I dont know, maybe it will only eat live full grown mice?
Maybe the mouse had its claws and teeth removed?
Maybe it was a lab experiment?

 

[becca81]

How you can all abuse this guy/gal for making this video I dont know, maybe it will only eat live full grown mice?

Haha... you're kidding, right?

Maybe the mouse had its claws and teeth removed?

No, now you *must* be kidding.

A G. rosea who *only* eats full grown mice?

 

[Andy]

Haha... you're kidding, right?


No, now you *must* be kidding.

A G. rosea who *only* eats full grown mice?

Well you dont know, do you?
It could be that it kills and doesnt eat anything else.
Animals can do strange things

 

[Crunchie]

Well you dont know, do you?

I'd say it's about as likely as me killing a lion by poking it with a sharp stick.

 

[Andy]

I'd say it's about as likely as me killing a lion by poking it with a sharp stick.

So you agree, its still likely.

 

[Runaway987]

Can we all stop over analysing every picture and video we see of something eating something..

Its obvious the mouse was an unusually large prey item and carries the inherent risks we all know about. Its probably the sole reason it has lasted this long on the net.

I think your just meant to watch it and say either "Wow", "Cool", "Hmmm" or "Sick".

Respect for life is all well and good I like to think I respect "Life" but people wrap themselves up in this personification of small furry things like cats and dogs and rodents etc. You wouldnt give a toss if you trod on an ant but that has just as much right to live as the mouse does surely?

See what you made me do? Argh im analysing it now...



Runaway

 

[Sean]

well the spider did look kind of small for that mouse but we all tend to over react in such instances lets face it how long have T's been around :? , and we treat them like they are babies, they are natural born killers. spiders in the wild do not have the luxury of taking down what ever prey they feel is safe, they attack, kill, then eat becasue who knows were their next meal is coming from, i mean there are pics of T's in the wild eating bats :? of course you always have people saying why take the risk.....well the answer is simple becasue they want too. im done critisizing people for how they feed their animals or inverts it is their money, their time and their problem, if something happens.

I pretty much agree with this guy...

 

[Sean]

Sure and I could very well kill a lion with a sharp stick. My point is/was it’s not very likely. If you are willing to take the small risk to observe your animal's behavior go ahead

cerbera, to clarify, what is so provocative about your statements to me is that you believe there is some sort of universal set of 'rights' that animals are entitled too as well as your concept of what rights are. to me rights are not an abstract idea of entitlement I grant myself, but rather a real set of rules granted by my government (to whom I pay taxes) that are written into laws which are enforced directly. The key part is the force that sustains rights (police, military, courts, ect.) is the only thing keeping them around. When i say i have rights it is not a belief it is a very real fact.

With that said I don’t agree with animal cruelty and I do respect life but it is an issue to be taken care of within our respective societies (which hopefully reflects the views of its peoples)

Furthermore, I believe that if people like you would take the energies they put into improving the lives of animals into improving the lives of humans then the world would truly be a better place

This guy too...

 

[Crunchie]

So you agree, its still likely.

No I don't, and I think your comparison was silly to say the least though I expect you know that as well.

 

[jbrd]

I think we have heard enough on this video, its all a mute point now.

 

[Cerbera]

There's a lovely debate going on giantspiders.com about exactly this sort of thing. Cultural differences in how we treat the animals we choose to live with. I hadn't looked back at this thread at all since my original post, but its all been going on here too, hasn't it ? (albeit in a slightly less dignified fashion).

My favourite bit so far has been when Andy asked me if I was a vegan

 

[MizM]

I think we have heard enough on this video, its all a mute point now.

WISH it was mute!! Do you mean moot?

 

[becca81]

There's a lovely debate going on giantspiders.com about exactly this sort of thing. Cultural differences in how we treat the animals we choose to live with. I hadn't looked back at this thread at all since my original post, but its all been going on here too, hasn't it ? (albeit in a slightly less dignified fashion).

My favourite bit so far has been when Andy asked me if I was a vegan

Yeah, yeah.

This thread isn't helping me at all...