tarantula torture with a smily face is the dark den the new exotics lair?

[JDS123]

ye

ADMIN NOTE:

Not sure why this always needs to be repeated, but here we are.

Attack the argument, NOT the person.


So what have we all learned here?

- You each feel that the other person does not understand what is being said.
- People will have opposing views (what a shocker). It's bound to happen. It also does not make any one side more valid than the other.
- It is perfectly acceptable to be passionate about your viewpoint (as long as the rules are followed).
- It is also perfectly acceptable to agree to disagree (ie: I see what you are saying, however I vehemently disagree).

You can get your points across without belittling the other person. It's not that difficult, I promise. If you feel it is, then refrain from commenting at all.

You know the old adage, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all ...

yeah let's those of us in particular going back and forth just move on to the next people, clearly a few of us are getting noplace.

a couple of us should just ignore eachother now.

i'll try my best.

take care everyone, no intent to punk you guys, we're just past not agreeing and that's ok.

 

[TJ 68]

ye

yeah let's those of us in particular going back and forth just move on to the next people, clearly a few of us are getting noplace.

a couple of us should just ignore eachother now.

i'll try my best.

take care everyone, no intent to punk you guys, we're just past not agreeing and that's ok.

Step Away From The Post. LOL

 

[IDMiriam]

You make little kids learn to swim, and most are terrified.

Its to save their lives same as the dogs.

Not wading into the rest of it, but this is making me nuts.

Both dogs and kittens, like nearly all mammals, can generally be safely tossed into a pool because they have the instinctive ability to swim.
(Humans are a weird exception, in that we can't.)

Thank you for your time... I now return you to your regular internet chatter.

 

[JDS123]

did you have something to say lololol

what did i miss

oh i see, your as bad at doing the quotes as i am lol.

my only point is he said it was animal cruelty to teach a dog to swim.

anyways.......

 

[8 legged]

What a complete and sorry waste of human flesh this guy is.

In some of his videos he says he doesn't recommend handling Ts, yet at the same time he's fine with forcing them to swim... Which is much more stressful, completely unjustifiable, and poses a greater risk to their lives.

Just because it doesn't kill you doesn't mean it's fine or okay in the slightest. Perhaps a takeaway from his video is that it's fine to deprive him from sleep or rest for 2 or 3 days since it won't kill him right??

These animals didn't choose to be kept by you, you brought them home willingly and as such you are responsible for their wellbeing and comfort. Worse yet, being a YouTuber with a healthy following he has the responsibility of educating people on what they shouldn't do to their pets. Instead, he's torturing animals, Ted Bundy style, on camera and teaching his audience that it's perfectly fine..

Please report the video and have everyone you know report it. If thousands of reports accumulate it'll be taken down.

"Waste of Flesh"?
Sorry, but that argument falls short of the minimum level of social behavior.

 

[TechnoGeek]

"Waste of Flesh"?
Sorry, but that argument falls short of the minimum level of social behavior.

Lol really? I wasn't trying to appeal to you I guess. Could you please stop quoting me here? I'm done debating this.

 

[JDS123]

did you have something to say lololol

what did i miss

"Waste of Flesh"?
Sorry, but that argument falls short of the minimum level of social behavior.

that's what he's not understanding. If he were with Tom Moran or Dave or any of the bigger guys or even at a discussion during an expo or such, once you start with all the insults like that and the hate speach, nobody is going to listen or take them seriously any more.

I've just spent all my life, and im 47, hanging with all these guys, lots of breeders, dealers, at the expos, at facilities, rescue groups, shops across California and we now and then get someone who talks like that right off the bat and it kinda makes you not pay much attention to the rest of what they say, I mean their mind is so made up to where it's just insults and they dont grasp what your trying to say, it's exhausting then your like, why did i just do this to myself lolol

yeah he and i are over it, we wasted both our times, we irritated eachother and we're getting nowhere fast, all good, i wish him well still. I'm not bashing him as a person, just the way he debates and speaks here. and not really bashing it, just saying it makes it hard to debate when someone is doing it that way. It wasn't debating it was just a ugly arguing.




Hav you watched the video? I'm very curious as to why the one species just held on to his hand and ignored being under water, while the others instantly said nope, and swam right away, any thoughts on that?

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

I'm very curious as to why the one species just held on to his hand and ignored being under water, while the others instantly said nope, and swam right away, any thoughts on that?

To me it looked like different species had varying tolerances for risk. A couple of the tarantulas found it more advantageous to sit and wait for the flood to recede, in a manner of speaking, while others found that the risk of swimming to find solid ground was better. This type of risk/ reward decision in relation to water can even be seen and consistently replicated in burrowing tarantulas in captivity when you flood the burrows. Sometimes the tarantulas will remain in their flooded burrows and wait for the water to leave, while others will run out.

But what I still find amazing about the demonstration in the video is that all species used have the same instinct for how to swim no matter what part of the world, and climate, they come from naturally. They all use their back legs as stabilizers while paddling with the front legs in the same way. Just like every arboreal tarantula (and maybe even the ground dwelling ones too) knows to spread all of its legs when falling to reduce speed. Sure, you can search YouTube and find many videos of tarantulas swimming under natural conditions to get an idea of how they swim- there are many of tarantulas in swimming pools- but none of them are very clear on what decisions they make when faced with a less than ideal situation.