tarantula torture with a smily face is the dark den the new exotics lair?

[JDS123]

I think what is getting people upset and influencing some to interpret the video as torture, abuse, or general mistreatment of the tarantulas is that there are no results that could be published in any kind of journal. Scientific research can be descriptive, correlational, or experimental. As interesting as it is to see a number of tarantulas swim, and the water proofing of their bodies, there really was nothing descriptive, correlational, or experimental about it. When you compare the Dunlop article published in the ATS Forum magazine with the video the differences become very apparent. Dunlop briefly describes how tarantulas swim and compares it to walking which follows a brief review of the conditions that would cause them to swim in the first place. The Dark Den video basically puts tarantulas in water to see what happens based on an article he read online. If the Dark Den video followed the same format as a scientific paper by conducting a literature review first, then focused on the locomotion of the legs while the tarantulas swam I believe the video would have been received differently.

I see what your saying, but were taking a hobbiest that is clearly a child at heart, just going for it and risking having his head chopped off because nobody else is doing it.Do I want a bunch of ppl doing it, fk no, but he clearly over the years cares about his animals, was it a bit sketchy at parts, yeah

i would love to see more with the cork bark raft situation, and yeah maybe he could colab with a scientist and dial this in and polish it up.................but torture? Good grief.

Good points dude, wish we could all see that we csn still learn more about Ts, and not be Neanderthals about it.

I see where your coming from.

This thread is going to make me watch that video, I seen it but from the headline page it did look kinda click bait type material and I scrolled past.

well, just keep a very open mind.

These are not kittens.

Some parts were ehhhh, but others were great.

Would like to see this experiment polished and colabed with a scientist of sorts, not that they are Gods by any means, but this has something going for it and ppl are being way to sensitive.

 

[muff3n]

You guys crack me me up. I've lurked here for ages and don't really participate for many reasons valid and invalid. I'm happy there's differing opinions here and this discussion has become tamer. Youtube is a problem and I hope everyone can agree to that. there's many ways to keep videos online but youtube drives certain metrics that are unhealthy for content creators as well as viewers. (but this is just the opinion of someone who works in that field) regardless of the perceived intensions of this video, I can't lie it was disturbing to watch the submersion. I literally have a documented neurological wiring malfunction that makes me unable to compute the anthropomorphizing of a tarantula. So, I'm well aware my reaction has zero interest in the spider feeling my similar emotion.

Most of us aren't scientists, let alone researchers in the field of araneology... even if we all were, it doesn't mean we'd all be good at our job.

 

[TJ 68]

I just Realized that I watched this video in the Same Room that I have All My Ts in...And I think they saw it Too...They are Definitely Affected. They don't Sleep at Night,, Some stay locked in their Rooms for days at a time,, A Few are even Refusing to eat. I am trying to get them in Therapy but for some Reason they doctors wont take me Seriously.
( Sorry I just Cant help it)

 

[ButtButBad]

The video was fine and good to see.

They dont have the same emotional stress as we do, say our leg was about to be sawed off, vs if someone pushed us in a pool, we would be like dammit now i gotta swim out.

It was a very good thing to see how each species will react, and each species abilities.

Now you see some can actually be set up in different types of enclosures.

You see which ones can float and swim better than others.

Now, I liked how he placed the one on the cork bark, with a little guiding to see how it would do.

As a keeper of herps,fish and inverts over 30 years I think that was terrific and would love to see each species take a shot, a few maybe not.

Dont forget these are not baby kittens, think of the science behind the anatomy, and its life in the wild.

I think the parts with the bottle were pushy, otherwise, we really need to stop acting like this was like throwing a baby in the ocean.

Did it get views and help his channel, sure, do I want others to do it, no.

I would like to see more species placed on the cork bark and see how they do.

The die hard hate for anything outside their own thoughts has got to stop in this hobby.

We need to recruit as many people as possible to protect our lifestyles of keeping exotics.

Peopl are eating these animals all day, I was not happy with each move he made, but some of you have got to stop acting like they have the same emotions as not only us, but even a cat or dog, or even a snake.

I treat my Ts like family, but we are still learning all the time, and sometimes we can learn tons from a vid like this.

Now, I will be pissed if a bunch of ppl start doing it, because its being done by him now, and I could see a few more species, but if others jump on this to gain views as a copy cat then I will not be happy.

This is not a trend.

This was however a mostly good video.

Yes Petko can seem a bit un caring, but I think he cares more than you guys think.

Please if your going to comment on this, be mature and try and be down to earth and grasp how hateful attitudes completely run ppl off from the hobby, lots of times good peopl who could reslly support us, and they say screw it, because their are gangs of know it all haters.

I was happy coming back here after years away due to horrible attitudes, and saw lots of good ppl here now.

Please keep it that way.

No way in hell are we all going to agree with is, but we have to admit, we each dont know everything, it blows my mind how many top notch keepers wont even show face on forums and media because of all the hate, its just gotta stop.

Healthy debates, great.....

anyways.

My brain compared to a Tarantula brain, push me in a pool, ill get mad, get out, then give me a beer after i chase you around for a minute.

These Ts live in areas that get flooded, or drop from trees into rivers, lakes, heavy rains.............this was not a torture test, mostly, like i said, i like the cork bark test.

Alright, just be cool guys, if you think it was BS then fine, but Im begging you, try this, pretend you had to win a debate from one side, then the other, gather your ammo, then see what ways your mind may change, its not cut and dry................

sry for rant, just tired of so much hate talk, it starts to truly sound like a gang of haters and runs everyone away.

Not directed to anyone in particular, but I knew darn well this post would show up today lol.

Take care guys.

Were all just human.

If I felt this was a torture shiw I personally would have contacted him and discussed it but it was not all bad.

Some was pushing it.


hes a good dude. I see what your saying, hard to do T vids forever, nobody is perfect, its sad how many ppl expect perfection and a duplicate of themselves while watching others.

So many self-righteous ppl in the exotics lifestyle now, turned me off pretty bad and I've been in this over 30 years.

With such comment i actually doubt you have had anything with animals to do for long at all.
No, tarantulas are not emotional animals, but they still suffer and have stress, what Petko did, as i also wrote in my comment on his video, was activating the spiders survival instincts, and THAT gives ANY LIVING CREATURE stress, whether tarantulas have feelings or not. Its was completely unnecessarily to demonstrate that tarantulas could dive. It was completely unnecessarily to give those tarantulas that sort of stress. Life threatening stress is actually quite dangerous to any living creatures, and deaths have been seen withing the animal kingdom as well as the human. Petko of all keepers should show responsibiliy as the role model he is (in the end he chose to it himself),be a first class keeper, who care for the animal and not for the views.
And giving your animals stress on video for "educational" purposes is NOT a proper keeper whether its a dog or a tarantula! There are idiots who will copy this just to see it with their own eyes, who would not have thought of "submarine tarantulas" before Petko did this trick.

 

[Kodasea]

Yeah uh I see no educational value in putting your pet spiders through potentially harmful situations for the Internet clout that is “wow can they swim????”.

You’re risking the health and welfare of your animal, taking it out of its appropriate environment for something you could easily learn WITHOUT RISK with a few minutes worth of reading (or watching an actual documentary). No thanks.

Sucks though, I used to like Dark Den when I was first researching husbandry, and I feel like his older stuff is alright—but this video thumbnail rubbed me badly. I don’t see the point (beyond the clicks anyway).

 

[F1tarantula]

I'm afraid most people own spiders because of YouTube...

More and more, yeah. I was interested since I was little and I eventually got into tarantulas. Watching a video didn’t get me interested, looking at live specimens did.

 

[Isaax Critterz]

I cringed watching the videos..

 

[JDS123]

With such comment i actually doubt you have had anything with animals to do for long at all.
No, tarantulas are not emotional animals, but they still suffer and have stress, what Petko did, as i also wrote in my comment on his video, was activating the spiders survival instincts, and THAT gives ANY LIVING CREATURE stress, whether tarantulas have feelings or not. Its was completely unnecessarily to demonstrate that tarantulas could dive. It was completely unnecessarily to give those tarantulas that sort of stress. Life threatening stress is actually quite dangerous to any living creatures, and deaths have been seen withing the animal kingdom as well as the human. Petko of all keepers should show responsibiliy as the role model he is (in the end he chose to it himself),be a first class keeper, who care for the animal and not for the views.
And giving your animals stress on video for "educational" purposes is NOT a proper keeper whether its a dog or a tarantula! There are idiots who will copy this just to see it with their own eyes, who would not have thought of "submarine tarantulas" before Petko did this trick.

i disagree with you for the most part, your being quite extreme and reacting on emotions only, and I've kept and bred herps and tarantulas along with fish for over 30 years. Love and cared about each animal and even stopped breeding reptiles because of how ppl were not caring for them as good as they needed.

 

[TJ 68]

i disagree with you for the most part, your being quite extreme and reacting on emotions only, and I've kept and bred herps and tarantulas along with fish for over 30 years. Love and cared about each animal and even stopped breeding reptiles because of how ppl were not caring for them as good as they needed.

I Remember in the 80s when some would say I was neglecting My Ts Because they didn't have Heat Rocks and that I was putting them at risk of drowning by not having a sponge in the water dish. My T.vegans sits on the glass front down in the water dish up to the carapace drinking for quite a long time. My H. gigas Would actually go Under the water and stay there .the first time I saw it ,I got nervous and got it out of there only to watch it go right back In. Tarantulas Can be startled by Misting and rain But they're not afraid of Water.

 

[JDS123]

I Remember in the 80s when some would say I was neglecting My Ts Because they didn't have Heat Rocks and that I was putting them at risk of drowning by not having a sponge in the water dish. My T.vegans sits on the glass front down in the water dish up to the carapace drinking for quite a long time. My H. gigas Would actually go Under the water and stay there .the first time I saw it ,I got nervous and got it out of there only to watch it go right back In. Tarantulas Can be startled by Misting and rain But they're not afraid of Water.

yeah some ppl are being way to emotional about this without thinking scientificly first.

Then they asume we are monsters, when we have kept and spread the love of tarantulas for many years, loving our animals.

Cant please everyone, but Im afraid lots of peoples minds are shut tight.

 

[8 legged]

With such comment i actually doubt you have had anything with animals to do for long at all.
No, tarantulas are not emotional animals, but they still suffer and have stress, what Petko did, as i also wrote in my comment on his video, was activating the spiders survival instincts, and THAT gives ANY LIVING CREATURE stress, whether tarantulas have feelings or not. Its was completely unnecessarily to demonstrate that tarantulas could dive. It was completely unnecessarily to give those tarantulas that sort of stress. Life threatening stress is actually quite dangerous to any living creatures, and deaths have been seen withing the animal kingdom as well as the human. Petko of all keepers should show responsibiliy as the role model he is (in the end he chose to it himself),be a first class keeper, who care for the animal and not for the views.
And giving your animals stress on video for "educational" purposes is NOT a proper keeper whether its a dog or a tarantula! There are idiots who will copy this just to see it with their own eyes, who would not have thought of "submarine tarantulas" before Petko did this trick.

This has nothing to do with an objective view... If you want to avoid any kind of stress (people become dumb and fat without stress!) then you shouldn't keep any animals in captivity. If you do that, you should be a bit more humble!

 

[ButtButBad]

This has nothing to do with an objective view... If you want to avoid any kind of stress (people become dumb and fat without stress!) then you shouldn't keep any animals in captivity. If you do that, you should be a bit more humble!

Well, i have been working with reptiles, spiders and insects for around 25 years now, before that it was camels, in all i have 31 years experience on professional caring of animals in general in a zoo.

If we showed our guests that some animal can swim and dump it into water, well knowing it is an terrestrial or whereever living and its swimming skills is purely used as a survival mechanism, we would have Been met of a media circus big as hell. So what is the difference here, he is a hobbiest or whatever it is called, i am not english, so dont judge my grammatical failures.
Not matter if you are working with animals in a zoo, in rhe wild or ad a hobby, your responsible is to care for the animal and not put them through stress unnecessarily!
If i was to do something like Petko did to our guests just to prove something hobbiests should know already, then I would have been fired and the zoo would most likely get into a crapstorm as said above.

BTW its hard to keep concentrating when sick... so i will cut it now. And of course it is possible to keep animals animals in enclosures without giving them stress. As said before, stress is a killer, to much stress and you will die. And it regard all kinds of animals. If it did not have stress it would not seek to safety asap like all Petkos tarantulas did.

 

[TechnoGeek]

He had already been deleting the negative comments from his" can tarantulas swim" video .
But the fan club are all saying how amazing he is for making such a great video .
The worst but for me was on about the third dunking he gave one spider when that big air bubble comes out .
Or the obviously scared blondie that was not floating like the smaller spiders .
He does a good job of making the video look organic and an amazing surprise to him but i make videos and know fully well this was the result of good editing .
I wander just how many spiders will be "going for a swim"as a result of this video now .
I hope it was worth it for the views .

What a complete and sorry waste of human flesh this guy is.

In some of his videos he says he doesn't recommend handling Ts, yet at the same time he's fine with forcing them to swim... Which is much more stressful, completely unjustifiable, and poses a greater risk to their lives.

Just because it doesn't kill you doesn't mean it's fine or okay in the slightest. Perhaps a takeaway from his video is that it's fine to deprive him from sleep or rest for 2 or 3 days since it won't kill him right??

These animals didn't choose to be kept by you, you brought them home willingly and as such you are responsible for their wellbeing and comfort. Worse yet, being a YouTuber with a healthy following he has the responsibility of educating people on what they shouldn't do to their pets. Instead, he's torturing animals, Ted Bundy style, on camera and teaching his audience that it's perfectly fine..

Please report the video and have everyone you know report it. If thousands of reports accumulate it'll be taken down.

 

[Moakmeister]

Oh man what have I just walked in on 0_0

Like it or not, Petko WAS in fact performing science. He was testing a hypothesis and documenting it with a video. I want to ask all of you if you’re aware that actual scientists experiment on rats and mice, which are highly intelligent and cognizant. And I’m sure you do find that awful, but here’s another question: what if a team of professional scientists did exactly what Petko did? Would that be okay? No one can know until someone tries it. No one knew if H. gigas could be kept with a big pool in their enclosure until someone tried it. And I understand that we have seen tarantulas swimming in the wild - but that footage is rare. Really on the whole, tarantulas don’t get studied because the scientific community doesn’t care about them. They’re of very little value, so this was never gonna happen unless one of us did it. If you ask me, the video should never be recreated - it was made, it serves its purpose, yes tarantulas can swim, now let’s never put them in the water again.

Also don’t lie, it was really cool to watch.

 

[TechnoGeek]

Oh man what have I just walked in on 0_0

Like it or not, Petko WAS in fact performing science. He was testing a hypothesis and documenting it with a video. I want to ask all of you if you’re aware that actual scientists experiment on rats and mice, which are highly intelligent and cognizant. And I’m sure you do find that awful, but here’s another question: what if a team of professional scientists did exactly what Petko did? Would that be okay? No one can know until someone tries it. No one knew if H. gigas could be kept with a big pool in their enclosure until someone tried it. And I understand that we have seen tarantulas swimming in the wild - but that footage is rare. Really on the whole, tarantulas don’t get studied because the scientific community doesn’t care about them. They’re of very little value, so this was never gonna happen unless one of us did it. If you ask me, the video should never be recreated - it was made, it serves its purpose, yes tarantulas can swim, now let’s never put them in the water again.

Also don’t lie, it was really cool to watch.

Lol this is a comment I feel I should debunk, being a scientist myself (a pharmacist).

Saying that this video could, even in a parallel reality, pass for an academic experiment (since you called it science) only shows you have no idea what a science experiment is and how it should be conducted.

First off, an experiment needs to have a proper structure, which begins by defining exactly what you hope to achieve by conducting the experiment, and/or what exactly you're trying to prove or disprove. A goal defined as "would a tarantula die if I completely submerge it underwater?" Is hands down the stupidest and most useless hypothesis or goal I've ever heard of in my life. I genuinely hope no one is thinking about keeping Ts like fish.

Second of all, putting one tarantula underwater for 1 minute doesn't even prove or disprove anything.. like it or not in your words. It only proves whoever did it isn't quite right upstairs. A sample size of 1 isn't even a sample lol.

Third of all, I hope most people here aren't gullible enough to believe this was done for science. It was done to make money and to for human amusement. I really didn't expect to have to point that out but there we go.

And no it really really isn't my definition of cool to watch an idiot stress out a bunch of Ts while chuckling and giggling like he's mental. I can't speak for everyone obviously, but that's not exactly what comes to my mind when I think of "cool".

 

[JDS123]

Well, i have been working with reptiles, spiders and insects for around 25 years now, before that it was camels, in all i have 31 years experience on professional caring of animals in general in a zoo.

If we showed our guests that some animal can swim and dump it into water, well knowing it is an terrestrial or whereever living and its swimming skills is purely used as a survival mechanism, we would have Been met of a media circus big as hell. So what is the difference here, he is a hobbiest or whatever it is called, i am not english, so dont judge my grammatical failures.
Not matter if you are working with animals in a zoo, in rhe wild or ad a hobby, your responsible is to care for the animal and not put them through stress unnecessarily!
If i was to do something like Petko did to our guests just to prove something hobbiests should know already, then I would have been fired and the zoo would most likely get into a crapstorm as said above.

BTW its hard to keep concentrating when sick... so i will cut it now. And of course it is possible to keep animals animals in enclosures without giving them stress. As said before, stress is a killer, to much stress and you will die. And it regard all kinds of animals. If it did not have stress it would not seek to safety asap like all Petkos tarantulas did.

Tarantulas simply do not have the same stress as your thinking, not to where less than a minute swimming would mess them up. Their brains have been studied. Extremely primitive, Something they are know to be able to do, barely known, like swimming for a bit i don't believe is bad, as if we just stuck them in cold chamber, or left them on hot ground or something........they are indeed still being studied however nobody is seeing what species actually can do well around water, like we learned the theraposa could be too heavy, while others just held on and then others bailed and swam off. Lots to learn. Like I said, I didn't care about each technique but the gentle nudge off the little raft was fine.

He's the only one who's shown multiple species, not like info you speake of how we all already know they can swim.

He's cried heart broken over his animals that have died before, he's not a bad person, would this have been ok if it were a team of scientists testing it in a lab.................honestly it brought out even more interest from me in them than i already had, and I love mine to death so idk.

I think you should know then if your aware they can swim, than you shouldn't think they are stressed to death to swim for a moment.

Sry your sick, hope you feel better.

Lol this is a comment I feel I should debunk, being a scientist myself (a pharmacist).

Saying that this video could, even in a parallel reality, pass for an academic experiment (since you called it science) only shows you have no idea what a science experiment is and how it should be conducted.

First off, an experiment needs to have a proper structure, which begins by defining exactly what you hope to achieve by conducting the experiment, and/or what exactly you're trying to prove or disprove. A goal defined as "would a tarantula die if I completely submerge it underwater?" Is hands down the stupidest and most useless hypothesis or goal I've ever heard of in my life. I genuinely hope no one is thinking about keeping Ts like fish.

Second of all, putting one tarantula underwater for 1 minute doesn't even prove or disprove anything.. like it or not in your words. It only proves whoever did it isn't quite right upstairs. A sample size of 1 isn't even a sample lol.

Third of all, I hope most people here aren't gullible enough to believe this was done for science. It was done to make money and to for human amusement. I really didn't expect to have to point that out but there we go.

And no it really really isn't my definition of cool to watch an idiot stress out a bunch of Ts while chuckling and giggling like he's mental. I can't speak for everyone obviously, but that's not exactly what comes to my mind when I think of "cool".

no matter what you say, we witnessed science. I would have liked to seen him only do the raft part, with multiple species ready to remove them right away.

Clearly you don't watch him enough to see how much he's cared about his animals, cried and heartbroken but realistic when any have passed, everyone does everything for the money, passion first usually if your lucky enough to make money from it then awesome.

You realize how many people he's brought to the "hobby" and how well he's taken care of other creatures.....

Literally like the other guy said too, talk about smart animals that actually do stress like the poor rats having hundreds of cruel tests done, just because the people are in lab coats, then you think it's horrible that Petko took a few species known to be able to get through water, and tested it, so what if he makes money and views, ppl want facts and to learn more about this, I didn't like all of it, I would like to see the raft part tested with other species in a more polished situation, i think your blowing this way up and saying pretty cruel things about a guy with quite a big heart.

What a complete and sorry waste of human flesh this guy is.

In some of his videos he says he doesn't recommend handling Ts, yet at the same time he's fine with forcing them to swim... Which is much more stressful, completely unjustifiable, and poses a greater risk to their lives.

Just because it doesn't kill you doesn't mean it's fine or okay in the slightest. Perhaps a takeaway from his video is that it's fine to deprive him from sleep or rest for 2 or 3 days since it won't kill him right??

These animals didn't choose to be kept by you, you brought them home willingly and as such you are responsible for their wellbeing and comfort. Worse yet, being a YouTuber with a healthy following he has the responsibility of educating people on what they shouldn't do to their pets. Instead, he's torturing animals, Ted Bundy style, on camera and teaching his audience that it's perfectly fine..

Please report the video and have everyone you know report it. If thousands of reports accumulate it'll be taken down.

Good grief calm down.

Hope you feel better now.

If you know they can swim, and you know their primitive brains are not like ours or others that have the same emotions or type of stress, vs instinct and reactive natural instinctive stress vs mammals and some other creatures, for you to call torture and use your comparisons you sound crazy as your trying to make him sound.

 

[8 legged]

A big mouth is so easy when you can hide behind a monitor...

@ButtButBad
31 years of experience and then such a flimsy argument? No differentiation between permanent errors regarding care and 1 minute exceptional situation? Not believable for me!

@the thumbs down gear: you achieve more with arguments. Thumbs down usually just shows a lack of reasoning...

 

[TechnoGeek]

no matter what you say, we witnessed science. I would have liked to seen him only do the raft part, with multiple species ready to remove them right away.

Clearly you know about science what my 85 year old diabetic grandma knows about gymnastics, so I'll ignore this "no matter what you say" in your words.

Clearly you don't watch him enough to see how much he's cared about his animals, cried and heartbroken but realistic when any have passed, everyone does everything for the money, passion first usually if your lucky enough to make money from it then awesome.

Everyone does everything for money is probably one of the stupidest things I've heard. Yeah no crap.. some people murder for money, some people rob banks for money, doesn't mean it's suddenly ok. It's also probably unwise to be someone's cheerleader just cause they're on YT. I don't watch his videos regularly cause he acts like an idiot. In one video with tarantula Kat he suggested they add more worms to a container before buying it, essentially shoplifting lol. But this is by far his stupidest and cruelest one so yeah I don't watch his videos.

You realize how many people he's brought to the "hobby" and how well he's taken care of other creatures.....

Not expecting you to understand, but I'm an advocate for quality over quantity. If he's gonna bring more people to the hobby by giving them the impression that it's ok to test stupid ideas on animals, including forced submergence in water, I'd much rather he doesn't. I've seen enough disturbing tarantula videos on TikTok and in IG reels and the last thing we need is an idiot giving kids more horrible ideas. I'd appreciate what he's doing if he was properly educating people.

like the poor rats having hundreds of cruel tests done, just because the people are in lab coats, then you think it's horrible that Petko took a few species known to be able to get through water, and tested it

I try to be as polite as possible for the circumstances, but if you think that what this guy did to amuse his audience and get views and likes compares to cancer and vaccine research done on lab animals then you're about as bright as a pile of bricks. Believe it or not, there are regulatory bodies that ensure lab animals are treated humanely, and subjected to only as much stress as is required for the study (the study in question usually aiming to further our understanding of medicine, not doing stupid crap for no good reason). I don't care if someone is in a lab coat or not, I care about them acting professionally and for a good reason.

saying pretty cruel things about a guy with quite a big heart.

Good grief this is beyond pathetic.

Good grief calm down.

Hope you feel better now.

I hope that one day you'll grow up and understand that what someone does to their pets hurts me in no way, shape, or form. The reason it upsets me is because I care about the animals and don't think that it's ok for humans to treat them like they're objects or toys.

If you know they can swim, and you know their primitive brains are not like ours or others that have the same emotions or type of stress, vs instinct and reactive natural instinctive stress vs mammals and some other creatures, for you to call torture and use your comparisons you sound crazy as your trying to make him sound.

Just because they won't immediately drown and die doesn't mean it's ok to stress them out like this. Darkden said in previous videos that he doesn't like handling his Ts cause it stresses them out, then he decided that while handling is stressful, dunking them in water is somehow perfectly fine. I'm sorry if he's you're crush or something, but he's an idiot and a hypocrite.

 

[JDS123]

Clearly you know about science what my 85 year old diabetic grandma knows about gymnastics, so I'll ignore this "no matter what you say" in your words.


Everyone does everything for money is probably one of the stupidest things I've heard. Yeah no crap.. some people murder for money, some people rob banks for money, doesn't mean it's suddenly ok. It's also probably unwise to be someone's cheerleader just cause they're on YT. I don't watch his videos regularly cause he acts like an idiot. In one video with tarantula Kat he suggested they add more worms to a container before buying it, essentially shoplifting lol. But this is by far his stupidest and cruelest one so yeah I don't watch his videos.


Not expecting you to understand, but I'm an advocate for quality over quantity. If he's gonna bring more people to the hobby by giving them the impression that it's ok to test stupid ideas on animals, including forced submergence in water, I'd much rather he doesn't. I've seen enough disturbing tarantula videos on TikTok and in IG reels and the last thing we need is an idiot giving kids more horrible ideas. I'd appreciate what he's doing if he was properly educating people.


I try to be as polite as possible for the circumstances, but if you think that what this guy did to amuse his audience and get views and likes compares to cancer and vaccine research done on lab animals then you're about as bright as a pile of bricks. Believe it or not, there are regulatory bodies that ensure lab animals are treated humanely, and subjected to only as much stress as is required for the study (the study in question usually aiming to further our understanding of medicine, not doing stupid crap for no good reason). I don't care if someone is in a lab coat or not, I care about them acting professionally and for a good reason.


Good grief this is beyond pathetic.


I hope that one day you'll grow up and understand that what someone does to their pets hurts me in no way, shape, or form. The reason it upsets me is because I care about the animals and don't think that it's ok for humans to treat them like they're objects or toys.


Just because they won't immediately drown and die doesn't mean it's ok to stress them out like this. Darkden said in previous videos that he doesn't like handling his Ts cause it stresses them out, then he decided that while handling is stressful, dunking them in water is somehow perfectly fine. I'm sorry if he's you're crush or something, but he's an idiot and a hypocrite.

you really need to calm your attitude down. This is not youtube comment section. Don't need this type of bashing here.

I can come back with all the arguments and insults to you but the admins are trying to stop all that so i'm playing nice, but your certainly asking for it.

I'm just going to bite my tongue instead of argue with the way i would like to right now.

 

[handfulofspiders]

i just can’t see why this would be okay to do. this information was already available, it isn’t a new discovery that needed to be tested by a guy with a camera and a storage bin

what more is there to learn that an article or video filmed in the wild couldn’t provide?