Some cobra pix

[Deliverme314]

Who are you to say he does not have a snakebite protocol. Uh and btw way you do not need to have someone working with you when you service hots in a zoo setting. How do I know, well I worked for one. Another person just has to be in the building. Again if you do not speak from experience or don't know something to be an actual fact then please refrain from dictating what a person should do. We speak about hots so lightly with him because we know Lelle is not the type of keeper who runs around his house with a cobra around his neck. We don't have to give him the run down everytime he posts a pic because we know what type of keeper he is. Take a look at my sig. You may learn something from it.
Mike

You're absolutley correct in that I have no idea what contingencies he has set in place and for that I apologize for being presumptuous. And I am also sure that protocol differs from zoo to zoo etc as to what is required during routine maintenance of deadly animals. But that is honestly beside the point. The point is not whether or not Lelle should have the right to own a deadly animal. Its that his neighbors and civil servants should have the right to feel safe. They should have the right to not have their lives endangered because lelle Wants to own these animals. And I am quite sure that he is as responsible as he feels he needs to be. I am not questioning his abilities. I am just saying that if you were to go and ask his neighbors if they are comfortable with him owning these animals I can bet you there would be a resounding response of "he owns WHAT?!" is there a warning sign by the enterance of his home to warn emergency personel that there are these animals living on the premise? There are other people to take in to consideration... lets stop arguing and talk about this logically and sensibly.

 

[The Juice]

Who are you to say he does not have a snakebite protocol. Uh and btw way you do not need to have someone working with you when you service hots in a zoo setting. How do I know, well I worked for one. Another person just has to be in the building. Again if you do not speak from experience or don't know something to be an actual fact then please refrain from dictating what a person should do. We speak about hots so lightly with him because we know Lelle is not the type of keeper who runs around his house with a cobra around his neck. We don't have to give him the run down everytime he posts a pic because we know what type of keeper he is. Take a look at my sig. You may learn something from it.
Mike

I"m not putting him down, I was just making a point. In my book he is the MAN!! But if he isn't certified to Handle "HOt" species they could try to ban uncertified people "No matter how carefull or experience they have" from keeping venomous animals. Not every one trains their PitBulls to Kill but it just took a few iresponsible people to mess it up for everybody. But he lives in SWEDEN so why do I care

 

[Lasiodora]

Wow. So because I have never worked with hots means I dont have the right to say that I dont want a life threatening animal to be legal where I live? And I am the ignorant one? That is quite possibly THE most ignorant sentiment I have ever heard.
And no, its not legal to keep them here. I am quite happy about that.

Dude... I wasnt coming here looking for an argumet but if you are going to at least have a good one. Dont compare not having experience with deadly animals to an office environment where people are sticking their noses where they dont belong. Dont tell me that I have no say in my own safety. And learn how to spell hypothetical.

So what are you whining about then? I mispelled something wow. You really got me on that one. I will be sure to go to bed crying tonight
Yes you are the ignorant one. You asked. You might want to reread what I said about polticians because that one obviously flew right over your head.
Like it or not you are ignorant when it comes to keeping venomous animals.
Mike

 

[Lasiodora]

I am glad to see you guys are so willing to throw out someones legal rights to keep something. I wonder if you would feel the same if the animals legality that was if question was tarantulas. I will leave the rest of this thread to Lelle. His beautiful snakes are the topic of this thread not D's whining rants.
Have a good eno (oops I mispelled one. Sorry)
Mike

 

[Deliverme314]

So what are you whining about then? I mispelled something wow. You really got me on that one. I will be sure to go to bed crying tonight
Yes you are the ignorant one. You asked. You might want to reread what I said about polticians because that one obviously flew right over your head.
Like it or not you are ignorant when it comes to keeping venomous animals.
Mike

you said
"I don't want some politician who has never worked a day in his life with reptiles telling me what I can and cannot keep. Screw That!"

BRILLIANT ARGUMENT!!1!1! LOLLIES!1!!!1

Jesus... why was I suppose to re-read that profound statement? What was there to fly over my head? You dont want them telling you you cant keep them because they have never kept them. Well I have news for you. Psst... its a secret. Ya listening? They dont give a crap about what one adrenaline junky reptile hobbiest wants! They care about the safety of their constituency! That is their job!

Yes I am VERY ignorant to keeping hot reptiles. As I have NEVER KEPT THEM!!! So that means I have no right to express my desire to be safe? Jesus Christ?! What kind of a moron are you?

Get with it bro. Dont be so freaking selfish that you will endanger others because you think owning a cobra is super sweet.

 

[The Juice]

Even though someone is experienced, Sh!T happens there is always the possibility that they could get out and Tag him or someone else even a Kid. I personally don't think the risk is worth it, but thats just my Opinion. I don't think animals like that should be kept as pets in a residential areas, But in the wild,zoos,and Labratories. Maybe I'm just a P*ssy :8o

 

[Deliverme314]

I am glad to see you guys are so willing to throw out someones legal rights to keep something. I wonder if you would feel the same if the animals legality that was if question was tarantulas. I will leave the rest of this thread to Lelle. His beautiful snakes are the topic of this thread not D's whining rants.
Have a good eno (oops I mispelled one. Sorry)
Mike

Tarantulas do not put peoples lives at risk.

ps
wah

 

[The Juice]

you said
"I don't want some politician who has never worked a day in his life with reptiles telling me what I can and cannot keep. Screw That!"

BRILLIANT ARGUMENT!!1!1! LOLLIES!1!!!1

Jesus... why was I suppose to re-read that profound statement? What was there to fly over my head? You dont want them telling you you cant keep them because they have never kept them. Well I have news for you. Psst... its a secret. Ya listening? They dont give a crap about what one adrenaline junky reptile hobbiest wants! They care about the safety of their constituency! That is their job!

Yes I am VERY ignorant to keeping hot reptiles. As I have NEVER KEPT THEM!!! So that means I have no right to express my desire to be safe? Jesus Christ?! What kind of a moron are you?

Get with it bro. Dont be so freaking selfish that you will endanger others because you think owning a cobra is super sweet.

I think it's super sweet to own a cobra, but not worth the risk IMO

 

[Deliverme314]

I think it's super sweet to own a cobra, but not worth the risk IMO

me too. They are awesome... but that doesnt mean I am willing to endanger mine or someone elses life. WHich is what you were saying... so yeah... in agreement

 

[galeogirl]

As someone who lost a much-loved Burmese python when the county commissioners where I live decided to protect the public from "dangerous" exotic animals, I have a real problem with any government body telling me what I am or am not qualified to keep as a pet. I have 23 years of experience keeping reptiles and other exotics, but none of that mattered and I had a choice of having my beloved pet destroyed "for the good of the community" or finding her a new home outside of the county. Oh, not to mention the threat of a year in jail and a $10k fine for continuing to maintain an animal that I'd had for almost a decade.

Do you lump large constrictors in with hots in your views on "dangerous" animals. At 16 feet and 200+ lbs., Babydoll certainly could have killed an adult if she so chose? Did I ever consider her a real danger to myself or others? No. She was very docile and I have a lot of experience handling snakes. I treated her with all of the respect and caution that she deserved as a large predator and never put myself into situations where I was in danger with her.

Trust me, if a hots keeper was bitten and the animal not contained by the time the cops or paramedics got there, they'd have no compunction about blowing the snake away with their guns. It's just a snake, they're not immune to being killed in a million miserable ways.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm a libertarian and I heartily disagree with you.

 

[galeogirl]

Tarantulas do not put peoples lives at risk.

ps
wah

As I stated previously, a tarantula bite could most certainly kill someone who had an anaphylactic reaction to the bite. You never know until it bites you.

 

[Deliverme314]

As someone who lost a much-loved Burmese python when the county commissioners where I live decided to protect the public from "dangerous" exotic animals, I have a real problem with any government body telling me what I am or am not qualified to keep as a pet. I have 23 years of experience keeping reptiles and other exotics, but none of that mattered and I had a choice of having my beloved pet destroyed "for the good of the community" or finding her a new home outside of the county. Oh, not to mention the threat of a year in jail and a $10k fine for continuing to maintain an animal that I'd had for almost a decade.

Do you lump large constrictors in with hots in your views on "dangerous" animals. At 16 feet and 200+ lbs., Babydoll certainly could have killed an adult if she so chose? Did I ever consider her a real danger to myself or others? No. She was very docile and I have a lot of experience handling snakes. I treated her with all of the respect and caution that she deserved as a large predator and never put myself into situations where I was in danger with her.

Trust me, if a hots keeper was bitten and the animal not contained by the time the cops or paramedics got there, they'd have no compunction about blowing the snake away with their guns. It's just a snake, they're not immune to being killed in a million miserable ways.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm a libertarian and I heartily disagree with you.

I appreciate your opinion and they way in which you voiced it. I do not think that I would personally lump large constrictors (at least not a burmese python) in the same category with cobras... but I do know that I would have no problem personally living near one.

As to a cop being willing to blow one away... Im sure he would have zero problem doing that. Doesnt mean he will see the snake coming and it may not be a cop with a gun who enters the house...

I honestly didnt mean for this to become an argument... I am a bit antagonistic at times... sorry about that

 

[Deliverme314]

As I stated previously, a tarantula bite could most certainly kill someone who had an anaphylactic reaction to the bite. You never know until it bites you.

in the same way that a bee sting could I suppose... but as far as I know there isnt a single medically recorded even of such a reaction being fatal... I could be wrong about that. But I feel like it has coem up on here in the past.

 

[Deliverme314]

ps

to galeogirl.

I am really sorry that you had to lose a loved pet. That is rough.

 

[galeogirl]

And let us not forget our other invert faves: scorpions, assassin bugs, and centipedes? Many of them have medically significant venom.

I'm very curious as to why you wouldn't lump large constrictors in with venomous snakes as being potentially fatal. What about a crocodile monitor?

More importantly, who decides what is dangerous?

Personally, I'd rather have Lelle living next door to me than the current crackhead who lives down the hall. I'd take my chances with a venomous snake over his crew any night.

 

[pategirl]

I appreciate your opinion and they way in which you voiced it. I do not think that I would personally lump large constrictors (at least not a burmese python) in the same category with cobras... but I do know that I would have no problem personally living near one.

As to a cop being willing to blow one away... Im sure he would have zero problem doing that. Doesnt mean he will see the snake coming and it may not be a cop with a gun who enters the house...

I honestly didnt mean for this to become an argument... I am a bit antagonistic at times... sorry about that

A large constrictor could make you just as dead as a cobra, just by different means. I have absolutely no doubt that Lelle knows what he's doing when keeping the animals he does. If I lived next door to a person keeping cobras or rattlers, I would hope they'd be like Lelle in regards to the way they keep them. Sure, there's a risk involved, but there's risk involved with living every day also.

 

[The Juice]

Something that size I would throw in that in the "Dangerous" List. Even though it's "Tame" it's still a wild animal, and is a predator and would take anything down that it sensed as prey Like a small child, If that would happen what would you say then? you never know what a wild animal would do, Those people who thin they do are the people who shouldn't keep Hot or Dangerous animals. That snake you had could really hurt someone or kill someone and you can't be 100% sure Nothing would happen, so if someting were to happen would it be worth it?

As someone who lost a much-loved Burmese python when the county commissioners where I live decided to protect the public from "dangerous" exotic animals, I have a real problem with any government body telling me what I am or am not qualified to keep as a pet. I have 23 years of experience keeping reptiles and other exotics, but none of that mattered and I had a choice of having my beloved pet destroyed "for the good of the community" or finding her a new home outside of the county. Oh, not to mention the threat of a year in jail and a $10k fine for continuing to maintain an animal that I'd had for almost a decade.

Do you lump large constrictors in with hots in your views on "dangerous" animals. At 16 feet and 200+ lbs., Babydoll certainly could have killed an adult if she so chose? Did I ever consider her a real danger to myself or others? No. She was very docile and I have a lot of experience handling snakes. I treated her with all of the respect and caution that she deserved as a large predator and never put myself into situations where I was in danger with her.

Trust me, if a hots keeper was bitten and the animal not contained by the time the cops or paramedics got there, they'd have no compunction about blowing the snake away with their guns. It's just a snake, they're not immune to being killed in a million miserable ways.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm a libertarian and I heartily disagree with you.

 

[The Juice]

A large constrictor could make you just as dead as a cobra, just by different means. I have absolutely no doubt that Lelle knows what he's doing when keeping the animals he does. If I lived next door to a person keeping cobras or rattlers, I would hope they'd be like Lelle in regards to the way they keep them. Sure, there's a risk involved, but there's risk involved with living every day also.

yeah there is a risk living every day, but I don't want my Neighbor adding to the risk

 

[Deliverme314]

I can only speak on my personal feelings. If you are saying that they are just as dangerous as a cobra then maybe they should be lumped together. However I am fairly certain that there are far less B.P. deaths in any given year than cobras. Considering that tens of thousands die each year from them in India (saw this on a documentary recently.) Do I want an aggressive animal that is capable of killing quite readily living near me? No. If one is going to, would I like it to be someone like lelle? Yes. Would I prefer a cobra over a crack head and his crack friends? Absofrigginlutely.

 

[galeogirl]

Something that size I would throw in that in the "Dangerous" List. Even though it's "Tame" it's still a wild animal, and is a predator and would take anything down that it sensed as prey

If you're on this forum, then you are a keeper of wild animals. Reptiles and invertebrates are never "tame" like a dog or a cat, they just vary in their levels of aggression.