Some cobra pix

Crotalus · Jan 31, 2005

Not the best quality...
My Naja atra

/Lelle

The Juice · Jan 31, 2005

Nice snakes, cobras are my Favorite species. you are brave to keep those things. what are you housing them in and how do you clean the enclosure. I couldn't imagine trying to round up a couple of cobras so I can clean their enclosure

one other thing how big are they?

Crotalus · Jan 31, 2005

GUSTO said:
Nice snakes, cobras are my Favorite species. you are brave to keep those things. what are you housing them in and how do you clean the enclosure. I couldn't imagine trying to round up a couple of cobras so I can clean their enclosure one other thing how big are they?

I keep them in a all glass terrarium. When cleaning i take them out into another cage like I do with all my vens. Right now quite small approx 30-40cm, they hatched out last year

/Lelle

galeogirl · Jan 31, 2005

They're beautiful, Lelle. I think cobras are the whole reason that I got interested in herps. I remember being fascinated by some pictures of them in a book I got from the library when I was really young, 5 or so. From there I mowed through the rest of the local library's tiny selection of reptile books.

If I had the experience and facilities for a venomous snake, it would definitely be a cobra.

MilkmanWes · Jan 31, 2005

Crotalus said:
I keep them in a all glass terrarium. When cleaning i take them out into another cage like I do with all my vens. Right now quite small approx 30-40cm, they hatched out last year

/Lelle

Gotta say that the idea of handling two in a single enclosure is a bit nerve wracking to me. Keeping an eye on both and a safe working distance from two snakes simultaneously just seems a bit hard to do.

Melmoth · Jan 31, 2005

Beautiful snakes,Lelle.You have cojones of steel,my friend

George

Crotalus · Jan 31, 2005

MilkmanWes said:
Gotta say that the idea of handling two in a single enclosure is a bit nerve wracking to me. Keeping an eye on both and a safe working distance from two snakes simultaneously just seems a bit hard to do.

Handling two can be hard, I prefer one at the time ;-)
Seriously, its not so difficult that one might think othervise I would keep them separated.
However it depends on the species and size. Offcourse I might separate them when they get larger if they prove to be too difficult to handle but we´ll see that then. For now its not more nerve wrecking then handling my other snakes.

Galeogirl, Melmoth - thanks. And Melmoth, steel cojones is not needed, just common sence ;-)

/Lelle

Deliverme314 · Jan 31, 2005

Common sense?

You seem to have this desire to own every species of animal on the planet that is capable of killing you or putting you in the hospital...

Dont get me wrong you have beautiful animals and are Im sure skilled at handling... but you dont think that its a ticking time bomb? Something has to go wrong eventually... Animals like this (in my opinion) should be kept by licensed individuals... no one ever thinks they will get tagged...

Lasiodora · Jan 31, 2005

Beautiful pics and snakes Lelle.

Deliverme314,
People who work with hots (at least the experienced) are aware of the risks. Keeping venomous animals does not mean you have a death wish. If they are legal to keep where you are then why should they only be kept by licensed individuals? And yes common sense is necessary.
Mike

Deliverme314 · Jan 31, 2005

Lasiodora said:
Beautiful pics and snakes Lelle.

Deliverme314,
People who work with hots (at least the experienced) are aware of the risks. Keeping venomous animals does not mean you have a death wish. If they are legal to keep where you are then why should they only be kept by licensed individuals? And yes common sense is necessary.
Mike

What you said is of course true. He is aware of the risks... thus you answered your own question. Why they should not be owned by anyone who is not licensed. Because of the risks. DEATH.

Not trying to start a ruckus. But just because something is legal (maybe just because of over sight) does not mean you Should do it.

Lasiodora · Jan 31, 2005

That is the kind of attitude that will help pave the way for banning the keeping of venemous reptiles and eventually reptiles in general. I've worked for a licensed institution. You still run the same risks. The only difference is that on paper it says you are licensed to work with them and you are covered by their insurance. Having a licesne or not would not change the outcome of getting bit by one of the 12' king cobras that are kept there. Most private keepers take the same precautions that zoos do (this includes handleing and secure housing). Keeping hots is a personal choice and if its legal to do and you are ready to keep them then I say keep them. I don't want some politician who has never worked a day in his life with reptiles telling me what I can and cannot keep. Screw That!
Mike

Deliverme314 · Jan 31, 2005

Lasiodora said:
That is the kind of attitude that will help pave the way for banning the keeping of venemous reptiles and eventually reptiles in general. I've worked for a licensed institution. You still run the same risks. The only difference is that on paper it says you are licensed to work with them and you are covered by their insurance. Having a licesne or not would not change the outcome of getting bit by one of the 12' king cobras that are kept there. Most private keepers take the same precautions that zoos do (this includes handleing and secure housing). Keeping hots is a personal choice and if its legal to do and you are ready to keep them then I say keep them. I don't want some politician who has never worked a day in his life with reptiles telling me what I can and cannot keep. Screw That!
Mike

And what happens when your animal bites you, you die (fine... you knew the risks) and then bites the medical technician who comes into try and save your life or collect your body... or the snake gets out and bites someone else. Its your irresponsible attitude that is exactly why keeping hot snakes should not be legal. Mildly venemous? Sure. Tarantulas and other non-life threatening animals? Absolutely. But something that can endanger someone elses life due to an accident where the animal somehow gets away from you should not be ok to have. I would be damn pissed off if my upstairs neighbor had a friggin cobra.

galeogirl · Jan 31, 2005

I know plenty of people who keep hots who are very responsible and I feel perfectly comfortable in their houses. I myself keep tarantulas with medically significant venom and have kept hot scorpions in the past. If you have an anaphylactic reaction, a bite from a "harmless" tarantula becomes a potentially fatal situation.

It's all about assessed and accepted risk.

Lasiodora · Jan 31, 2005

This is all easy to say for someone who knows nothing of the ins and outs of keeping a venomous reptile. This is the problem. We have people like you in office trying to regulate things they know nothing about. One question for you. Have you ever worked with hots? If the answer is no then you have no right to dictate wether or not keeping them is legal. As for your hypethetical neighbor keeping a cobra, if its legal, and you still don't like it, you can move.

Irresponsible, sure

If saying that you can keep hots if you are responsible/experienced and it is legal in your area makes me irrisponsible then yes I am the most irresponsible person out here.

Mike

Deliverme314 · Jan 31, 2005

galeogirl said:
I know plenty of people who keep hots who are very responsible and I feel perfectly comfortable in their houses. I myself keep tarantulas with medically significant venom and have kept hot scorpions in the past. If you have an anaphylactic reaction, a bite from a "harmless" tarantula becomes a potentially fatal situation.

It's all about assessed and accepted risk.

I would have zero problem being in a house with a hot snake that was safely secure behind glass. Its the fact that these animals need to be removed from time to time that is the issue. There is no such thing as a guarantee that all will go well. I dont care how experienced you are and how good your equipment is. And putting yourself at risk is one thing... But your neighbors or rescue personel is another... and unfortunantley it is never just your ass on the line. I love these exotic "hot" animals too. I think they are majestic amazing creatures... but we all talk about them so lightly and praise lelle and the type for their cojones... it shouldnt be that way. I am quite sure that he is incredibly experienced handling these animals but unless he has MAJOR contingency plans in the event of a major incident... I believe that he is acting irresponsibly by keeping these animals. Zoos and other licensed keepers never handle an animal that is life threatening alone... so unless he has a fearless counter part with him at all times who is prepared to take EXTREME precautions and even willing to kill the animal in the case of an incident... I just dont think he should own them.

Deliverme314 · Jan 31, 2005

Lasiodora said:
This is all easy to say for someone who knows nothing of the ins and outs of keeping a venomous reptile. This is the problem. We have people like you in office trying to regulate things they know nothing about. One question for you. Have you ever worked with hots? If the answer is no then you have no right to dictate wether or not keeping them is legal. As for your hypethetical neighbor keeping a cobra, if its legal, and you still don't like it, you can move.

Irresponsible, sure If saying that you can keep hots if you are responsible/experienced and it is legal in your area makes me irrisponsible then yes I am the most irresponsible person out here.

Mike

Wow. So because I have never worked with hots means I dont have the right to say that I dont want a life threatening animal to be legal where I live? And I am the ignorant one? That is quite possibly THE most ignorant sentiment I have ever heard.
And no, its not legal to keep them here. I am quite happy about that.

Dude... I wasnt coming here looking for an argumet but if you are going to at least have a good one. Dont compare not having experience with deadly animals to an office environment where people are sticking their noses where they dont belong. Dont tell me that I have no say in my own safety. And learn how to spell hypothetical.

The Juice · Jan 31, 2005

Deliverme314 said:
And what happens when your animal bites you, you die (fine... you knew the risks) and then bites the medical technician who comes into try and save your life or collect your body... or the snake gets out and bites someone else. Its your irresponsible attitude that is exactly why keeping hot snakes should not be legal. Mildly venemous? Sure. Tarantulas and other non-life threatening animals? Absolutely. But something that can endanger someone elses life due to an accident where the animal somehow gets away from you should not be ok to have. I would be damn pissed off if my upstairs neighbor had a friggin cobra.

Also If he gets bit and dies, that might cause the ban of ALL venomous animals including Tarantulas. I could see this happening just like owning PitBulls.

Deliverme314 · Jan 31, 2005

GUSTO said:
Also If he gets bit and dies, that might cause the ban of ALL venomous animals including Tarantulas. I could see this happening just like owning PitBulls.

Right on. Good point. I dont want my right to own an animal that is not life threatening to be taken away because some guy has an adrenaline issue.

Deliverme314 · Jan 31, 2005

GUSTO said:
well after looking at where he is from (Sweden) We don't have anything to worry about

haha. You're just chock full of good points aint ya?

Lasiodora · Jan 31, 2005

Who are you to say he does not have a snakebite protocol. Uh and btw way you do not need to have someone working with you when you service hots in a zoo setting. How do I know, well I worked for one. Another person just has to be in the building. Again if you do not speak from experience or don't know something to be an actual fact then please refrain from dictating what a person should do. We speak about hots so lightly with him because we know Lelle is not the type of keeper who runs around his house with a cobra around his neck. We don't have to give him the run down everytime he posts a pic because we know what type of keeper he is. Take a look at my sig. You may learn something from it.
Mike

Some cobra pix

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Arachnoprince

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