Psalmopoeus Sp. Black orchid

[Gilligan]

Hello all. Just wondering if Psalmopoeus Sp. Black orchid is actually a species? Described or not. I did research but couldn't find much to work with. Saw some for sale and was curious if it was a gimmick or not. Thank you for your time.

 

[viper69]

If it's all black- it's the real deal. Use google, you'll find a thread from AB

 

[Gilligan]

If it's all black- it's the real deal. Use google, you'll find a thread from AB

Awesome thanks. I saw that thread and wasn't sure if it was referring to the spider being called black orchid as well. Good to know

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

Pretty sure it more commonly goes by Psalmopoeus alquitran

 

[NMTs]

Also goes by Psalmopoeus sp. Panama. Here's my sling when I got it about 3 months ago:

 

[viper69]

Awesome thanks. I saw that thread and wasn't sure if it was referring to the spider being called black orchid as well. Good to know

In point of fact it could be 2 different Ts, all I meant was there’s a black Psalmo

 

[Gilligan]

Also goes by Psalmopoeus sp. Panama. Here's my sling when I got it about 3 months ago:
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What a cute little one! Have you found them to be like other Psalmopoeus?

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

Also goes by Psalmopoeus sp. Panama. Here's my sling when I got it about 3 months ago:
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You sure they're the same species? I thought they weren't even in the US hobby.

 

[Smotzer]

You sure they're the same species? I thought they weren't even in the US hobby.

They may very well be three that are confused name wise as similar, the same, or different it seems from what I have seen

 

[Pmurinushmacla]

They may very well be three that are confused name wise as similar, the same, or different it seems from what I have seen

Yeah I think there is definitely at least 2 different species and their names are being interchanged. A guy has em for sale in the classifieds, seeing them in adulthood would tell.

Or maybe there was a name change, but im sure someone here would have known

 

[NMTs]

You sure they're the same species? I thought they weren't even in the US hobby.

I've seen the common name "black orchid" being used for P. sp. Panama, so I'm guessing P. sp. black orchid and sp. Panama are one in the same. Don't know how those fit with sp. alquitran.

What a cute little one! Have you found them to be like other Psalmopoeus?

Yes, behaves almost exactly as my other Psalmos so far.

 

[Smotzer]

Yeah I think there is definitely at least 2 different species and their names are being interchanged. A guy has em for sale in the classifieds, seeing them in adulthood would tell.

Or maybe there was a name change, but im sure someone here would have known

That's the problem with undescribed species and importers/collectors trying to make as much money as possible by using different names when potentially not necessary

 

[Gilligan]

I've seen the common name "black orchid" being used for P. sp. Panama, so I'm guessing P. sp. black orchid and sp. Panama are one in the same. Don't know how those fit with sp. alquitran.
Yes, behaves almost exactly as my other Psalmos so far.

Thats great thanks! I'm going to see if I can pick some up then, they look pretty.

 

[Frogdaddy]

As far as nomenclature goes the fact that it's called Psalmopoeus sp. Black Orchid or P. sp Panama indicates it's an undescribed species. Otherwise it would have a proper name such as Psalmopoeus irmina. So at this point no it is a true species. It may at some point be described as a separate species or it may be proven to be a locale variant of another species.

 

[l4nsky]

Until there is better clarification/identification, it's best to treat P. sp Alquitran and P. sp Panama/Black Orchid as separate species out of an abundance of caution. IMHO though, they very well might be the same species. P. sp Alquitran has supposedly been discovered in Columbia and Mexico, so if that's true, Panama would be within that range. I've yet to see a picture of a MM or MF P. sp Panama though to make a comparison.

For those of you who've never really seen P. sp Alquitran, here's a vid from when Petko toured Spidersworld.eu and filmed the mature 1.1 pair they had at the time.

Now, if only Psalmopoeus sp Chiapas would enter the hobby...

 

[Driplord]

Idk, I think it's just a Morphotype of Psalmopoeus reduncus..

 

[Tykirk]

This is probably sorted by now, but black orchid and sp panama are the same. I got them via the same supplier as the guy taking liberty to label them black orchid. I prefer geographical epithets myself. I had a photo of an adult female sp panama that did look alot like a larger reduncus. Alquitran (tar, in english) is certainly not the same.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

This is probably sorted by now, but black orchid and sp panama are the same. I got them via the same supplier as the guy taking liberty to label them black orchid. I prefer geographical epithets myself. I had a photo of an adult female sp panama that did look alot like a larger reduncus. Alquitran (tar, in english) is certainly not the same.

Could you share pictures I’ve never seen or heard of any of those besides the Panama and I haven’t seen pictures of any of them . Thanks

 

[Tykirk]

Psalmopoeus sp alquitran, colombia




Psalmopoeus sp Panama (Black Orchid)

 

[NMTs]

This is probably sorted by now, but black orchid and sp panama are the same. I got them via the same supplier as the guy taking liberty to label them black orchid. I prefer geographical epithets myself. I had a photo of an adult female sp panama that did look alot like a larger reduncus. Alquitran (tar, in english) is certainly not the same.

Do you have adults? Curious how their growth rates were for you. My sling is growing pretty slowly compared to other Psalmopoeus I've kept...