OMG This is bad...

[popcangenie]

so MR.I your a admin but you own now tarantulas? do you own dogs? cats? maybe a bird? what if your friend kills his animal? just because he got a cat that was 10 times bigger and meaner? would you now react to this is a way that would be rude? because i would, tarantulas are are PETS just like dogs to other people we love this hobby and people doing this to this hobby is not helping us

may i ask why you are a admin you can not help with any question about tarantulas im sorry if you feel the need to report me for calling you out but really what are you a friend of the owner??? the comments you are writing are just rude you have no feeling for living things??? go ahead and report me its not like its the first time and this was worth it and if i was a mod i would stop this thread or YOU just for that comment seems every one over looked it! it was rude!and uncalled for!

 

[NikiP]

so MR.I your a admin but you own now tarantulas? do you own dogs? cats? maybe a bird? what if your friend kills his animal? just because he got a cat that was 10 times bigger and meaner? would you now react to this is a way that would be rude? because i would, tarantulas are are PETS just like dogs to other people we love this hobby and people doing this to this hobby is not helping us

may i ask why you are a admin you can not help with any question about tarantulas im sorry if you feel the need to report me for calling you out but really what are you a friend of the owner??? the comments you are writing are just rude you have no feeling for living things??? go ahead and report me its not like its the first time and this was worth it and if i was a mod i would stop this thread or YOU just for that comment seems every one over looked it! it was rude!and uncalled for!

popcangenie, these are undomesticated wild animals that work like robots & don't seem to have any complex social needs past the chicken spider (well, discovered so far anyways...)

They don't care for us.

 

[popcangenie]

popcangenie, these are undomesticated wild animals that work like robots & don't seem to have any complex social needs past the chicken spider (well, discovered so far anyways...)

They don't care for us.

i never said they care for us i said there PETS and i don't know about you guys but i don't kill my pets

 

[codykrr]

To Mr. I.

I just want to state. That I did try and help this guy out. In a very calm an informative way, in another thread.

He basically called me an idiot in that thread. so therefore I dont feel much if any sympathy for him, or thepeople who want to be bottle fed information.

Also just to clarify. This situation could have been prevented. I did. you know how? RESEARCH! When I decided I was going to build a split tank I researched how to properly do it. You know what happened because i did that? Both spiders are still ALIVE!

I was a noob, and never had this happen. This is an ignorant mistake. you can take up for him all you want. But the spider would still be alive if he had read a little about them.

I mean C'mon, he didnt even research what kind of spider he had. It isnt hard to tell the difference between an L.P. and a G. rosea...:wall: A 1 min google search could have brought that up.

Then he keeps calling his spider a Mature male, when he even said he did know if it was or not, but that what he was calling it anyway.

Again a 5 min search could teach him how to determine if indeed it is a mature male.

This just shows the lack of...Care, responsibility, and pure laziness.

i mean he found arachnoboards...right? he should search a little harder to find SOME of his answers.

Also, There are many threads that tell you how to handle a situation of breaking spiders apart, read the breeding reports...

he said himself he sat there and "pondered" what to do, which to me is saying he didnt care enough to stop the inevitable(at this point) or he was scared.

I know newbies make mistakes. even I have. But i didnt just sit back and watch my tarantula go through a gap in a divided tank and do nothing...common sense would tell you to separate them....or fill in the gap.

Also, you griping saying no one helped....well I ask you. what did you help with? you just came on here and insulted more people than he did. not to mention the other times me and you have had our spurts.

remember when you basically called me a hillbilly? then told me to get over it.

if not it was in the breastmilk thread.

But i suggest you look up the thread titled "grr...my tarantula wont eat a super worm"(or something like that) and you can see why i find this user to be rude and arrogant.

I wouldnt have said anymore on this thread, but being as my name was brought up I figured i would clear this up for you.

Cheers.

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

To Mr. I.

I just want to state. That I did try and help this guy out. In a very calm an informative way, in another thread.

He basically called me an idiot in that thread. so therefore I dont feel much if any sympathy for him, or thepeople who want to be bottle fed information.

Also just to clarify. This situation could have been prevented. I did. you know how? RESEARCH! When I decided I was going to build a split tank I researched how to properly do it. You know what happened because i did that? Both spiders are still ALIVE!

I was a noob, and never had this happen. This is an ignorant mistake. you can take up for him all you want. But the spider would still be alive if he had read a little about them.

I mean C'mon, he didnt even research what kind of spider he had. It isnt hard to tell the difference between an L.P. and a G. rosea...:wall: A 1 min google search could have brought that up.

Then he keeps calling his spider a Mature male, when he even said he did know if it was or not, but that what he was calling it anyway.

Again a 5 min search could teach him how to determine if indeed it is a mature male.

This just shows the lack of...Care, responsibility, and pure laziness.

i mean he found arachnoboards...right? he should search a little harder to find SOME of his answers.

Also, There are many threads that tell you how to handle a situation of breaking spiders apart, read the breeding reports...

he said himself he sat there and "pondered" what to do, which to me is saying he didnt care enough to stop the inevitable(at this point) or he was scared.

I know newbies make mistakes. even I have. But i didnt just sit back and watch my tarantula go through a gap in a divided tank and do nothing...common sense would tell you to separate them....or fill in the gap.

Also, you griping saying no one helped....well I ask you. what did you help with? you just came on here and insulted more people than he did. not to mention the other times me and you have had our spurts.

remember when you basically called me a hillbilly? then told me to get over it.

if not it was in the breastmilk thread.

But i suggest you look up the thread titled "grr...my tarantula wont eat a super worm"(or something like that) and you can see why i find this user to be rude and arrogant.

I wouldnt have said anymore on this thread, but being as my name was brought up I figured i would clear this up for you.

Cheers.

+1 Million

 

[jebbewocky]

Omg drama
OP: you done messed up. I think you knew that when you posted this topic. It's sad, but not the end of the world. Honestly, he was a bug. A pet bug, yes, but a bug. For now, know this: good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. Sometimes you need to learn things the hard way (I mean the impersonal "you", not you personally). For now, browse the boards, read the stickies, and get a copy of the TKG if you can. They will help you avoid this situation in the future, or be better prepared at least. Best of luck.

Also, don't mix cocohusk in the tub, or use a gluestick on the stove.

 

[AmbushArachnids]

i really don't see how this is funny... if i were you i would be sad, not giddy. you killed a living animal that kinda makes me sick!:barf: could you show us the divider??? i would like to see what you did and also why not do research...why not stop it...

This is the sort of responce that prevokes.

i never said they care for us i said there PETS and i don't know about you guys but i don't kill my pets

It was an accident.

you KILLED a animal!:barf:

Totally dramatic. You feed your Ts animals correct?

What he did was a accident. It doesnt have to be a dramatic event. Do you cry and feel bad when a roach or cricket gets munched by your T? Thats a living animal just like a spider. The hobby doesnt need people over dramatizing. People that are new to the hobby tend to be frightened of getting bit so he didnt try to separate them immediately. And when you contruct a cage that fails, you end up with one fat T. Simply put It was an accident. All we could do in this case was to teach the guy what we know to prevent it. Thats what this forum is for. Not to vent and critisize without anything helpful to input. :wall:

 

[malevolentrobot]

OP, I want to apologize about the way i went about wording my first post in this thread, it was pretty harsh now rereading it. i do stand by the fact that if someone wants to create a divided tank, however, that efforts to research the project before hand might have led to a more... sucessful arrangement. i don't think every split tank will result in failure, but it has to be constructed well without gaps.

i'm sorry my first post was more criticism and less constructive advice, for what its worth.

 

[AzJohn]

Slow weekend I guess. I've been lurking around all afternoon, while watching NCAA football. I was going to stay out if but, seriously, this thread is 5 pages to long. The OP made a mistake in making his divided tank with to large a gap, (I did somthing very similar involving a overly large critter cage and a too small B smithi, but was able to find my escape artist) and was to slow in dealing with a tarantula escape. What else is there to say. Everything else is just argument for it's own sake. I've said it before. If somone doesn't take your addvice or treat you with the respect you think you've earned why bother replying to there threads. If know as much as you think, it's there loss. Do you really think arguing with people will make them take you seriously. I'm a Jr High Teacher. One of the most important things you learn is that most arguements accomplish nothing. When a kid wants to argue with me, letting him dictate things causes me to loose all credibillity with the student and the rest of the class. I suspect the same thing is true here.

For what it's worth. John

 

[SDiego]

Hey, you guys... yes, you, the people that have been in this hobby long enough to know better. The people that should be understanding of noob mistakes and who have probably made more than their fair share. The people that are (ostensibly) here to HELP future hobbyists learn from their mistakes and provide helpful guidance. The people who only GOT the knowledge they have on the shoulders of others and by virtue of their own stupid mistakes...

Yeah, you...

Cut the crap. I mean seriously... cut the crap. HE was on a high horse?? He was reasonably subdued and seemed to genuinely be sorry that things had transpired the way they had. He KNEW he screwed up, that wasn't the point. Then you people start with "You COST A LIVING THING ITZ LIFE OMGZZZZ!!!" and "NEVER KEEP ANYTHING UNTIL ZYOU"VE READ THE WHOLE INTERNETZ TWICE". Good lord. The TRUTH of the matter is that you people (you know who you are) weren't going to be happy until EVERRRRRRYONE had gotten their pound of flesh... what, do you feel entitled to it at this point? Noobs only get help when they've endured enough thrashing from everyone who feels entitled to it?

Yes, he was wrong... I think he knew that before ANY of you "helpful" people posted. Yes, he needed to do more research. I think he knew that before any of you posted. What he was NOT, before anyof you posted, was defensive and irritated... YOU people caused that because that's what you wanted. It almost seems like you want noobs to feel some crushing weight of guilt for their mistakes before you'll dole out information from your ivory tower.

They are TARANTULAS, people, get over it. "Cost a living thing its life?" Spare me... you cost thousands of living things their lives every day. It's a SPIDER, it is not a PERSON. We OWN them, their lives are OUR property... if they die, THEY DIE. Sure, it says something about a person if they enjoy pulling all their legs off and setting the body on fire, but that's not what we're talking about, is it? We're talking about a noob mistake... which we've all done. I've killed tarantulas, and you have too. It goes with the hobby. What DOESN'T go with the hobby is taking a noob that has all but already admitted publicly that they screwed up, and raking them over the coals to make sure they understand how idiotic and irresponsible they been before they are worthy of your advice.

When did the hobby become about THAT, guys? I mean really?

IT'S A BUG. Help him learn, and he might not kill any more. Tear him a new hole because he maybe didn't search enough, and he'll probably kill more. Your call. It's not the crime against humanity that you all are trying to make it out to be... it's not cruelty to animals, and it's certainly not a moral crises. A bug died, get over it... and help, if you feel so inclined. If you don't, then maybe you should post less, or not at all?

I think if I was a newb today, I'd be scared to post too...

I like this response.

 

[DawgPoundSound]

WOW!! I was informed by a friend on these Boards at how crazy this thread has gotten. I completely ignored it due to all the bad people posting and attacking. But after reading this, I'm not a bit surprised.

I've been called such a bad person for killing a tarantula. That I did not kill, my female killed. And I was told that today was Saturday, when it was quite obvious NEVER to make the mistake of leaving areas for your T to climb through.

I've been called stupid because I can't identify a Tarantula, yet there is an entire thread with half of these same posters in it, not being able to identify T's.

This is amazing. So many hypocrites I think the Governments of this planet would get jealous. EVERYONE in this hobby are killers. You kill live crickets, worms, caterpillars, roaches, and steal baby mice for the sole purpose of watching them die and get eaten alive.

Yet you bash another human for making the same mistakes you've made in your lives. I've never been bitten. Yet there is an entire thread of members of this site who's been bitten. People who KNOW how skittish or aggressive their T's are, yet do the dumbest of things to get bit anyway.

Yet I never posted to attack them and cause strife. I never asked for sympathy from anyone. I don't need it, I simply shared a story that happened, like tons of you have done. I never said I didn't research. Yet once one person who can't read, and assumes I didn't research goes off on a tangent, all the rest of the clicks follow suite.

Research is not the best teacher. Trial and error is. This is how it is in the real world. I could care less what you say about split tanks. I'm personally not that stupid to follow that kind of statement. However, I'm smart enough to know I made a small error in it's creation, and would never make that error twice.

I didn't need 50 posts attacking me telling me what I did wrong, after I told YOU what I did wrong. What I did ask for, which was NEVER answered, was how many of you can identify a 4 inch Salmon Pink, next to a 4 inch G. Rosea and honestly pick them apart? No one answered this. There are T's out there, when the same size, can be hard to identify on first glance.

That's all I asked. But Mister Internet did a great job, basically saying the same things I said when defending my own character to most of you.

Thanks

 

[codykrr]

These are my pictures BTW.

5 inch lasiodora parahybana

5 inch female G. rosea

Big difference.

 

[DawgPoundSound]

I almost spent the time late last night to reply to this thread, noting the intense overreaction to the OP's opening post, but I was too tired.......nice to see someone show the decency to stand up for others.

Granted, there are a few holes in the OP's story that you could easily fill with "why didn't you <insert critical thought>", but as you said, that does nothing to help correct the mistakes made.

To be honest, it makes me sick to see the approach that many take towards others on here, especially those new to the hobby. YES, people who don't have much experience are going to do some ignorant crap. NO, you don't have to say anything condescending to them. If you realize someone is doing something ignorant; try to be constructive and help them realize why their actions weren't very wise.....preferably in a way that doesn't make them feel like a schmuck.

-Charles

Just a question to you. Where are the "holes" in my post? You have to remember in my opening post, I clearly stated "My FIRST T". So this in itself, should've threw up the immediate "ok let's get this guy on the right path" mindset. Not the attack, and ridicules. And no I didn't overreact, I reacted naturally as anyone would in defending their character.

I clearly stated in another response in this thread, that I don't "handle or hold" my T's for the sake of doing so.

I clearly stated in the OP that I did make up my mind to get him, but i was a bit nervous of him falling because he stayed near the top of the divider, just on his side of it. So i was sitting there in hopes that he would come down. Yet when i went to get a ruler to *coax* him he had already made his move towards her again, yet this time really fast.

I mean what part of this didn't people read? The only mistake made here on my part was not noticing the 1/2 inch opening at the top would not be enough for a 4 1/2 inch tarantula to squeeze through. There is no research needed for that. That is strictly trial and error. I do know that the same opening I left there on purpose, and coaxed the culprit to the top to see if she would squeeze through, and she could not. And yes, I let her get on my hand and personally took her back down.

There is no excuse for the posts after mine that attacked me. Absolutely ZERO. If people wanted to know how much research i've done, all they had to do was IM me and ask.

Note: I researched and read on this Site almost 3 weeks before joining. Also 2 other Sites I've joined and had done the same thing, as well as tons and tons of Youtube vids. However that does not mean that I became all-knowing and still couldn't make mistakes once I actually acquired my first T.

 

[Czalz]

What I did ask for, which was NEVER answered, was how many of you can identify a 4 inch Salmon Pink, next to a 4 inch G. Rosea and honestly pick them apart? No one answered this. There are T's out there, when the same size, can be hard to identify on first glance.

I've had both species as slings and adults. For me personally, it's quite easy to tell the difference at 4".......but for someone who hasn't spent countless hours staring at these two species, I can see how it can be easy to confuse them.

The question you are asking is quite subjective. It all depends on the individual's experience with each of the species. For example, I can easily identify 20 (+) different species of tarantula. That is because I have kept that many species and raised them from slings to adulthood in many cases.

There are people on these boards who could probably identify over 100 species of tarantula without referencing any materials. There are others who can't identify any.

Relating the question to dogs...Someone who has raised Papillons can spot one from a distance with ease, while another person can't tell the difference between a Papillon and a Pekingese.

 

[DawgPoundSound]

I've had both species as slings and adults. For me personally, it's quite easy to tell the difference at 4".......but for someone who hasn't spent countless hours staring at these two species, I can see how it can be easy to confuse them.

The question you are asking is quite subjective. It all depends on the individual's experience with each of the species. For example, I can easily identify 20 (+) different species of tarantula. That is because I have kept that many species and raised them from slings to adulthood in many cases.

There are people on these boards who could probably identify over 100 species of tarantula without referencing any materials. There are others who can't identify any.

Relating the question to dogs...Someone who has raised Papillons can spot one from a distance with ease, while another person can't tell the difference between a Papillon and a Pekingese.

Exactly. It wasn't that I couldn't identify her as a G. Rosea. It was the ferocity of her attack on him, and the sheer size of her (which even others have agreed she is really big) that kinda threw me a bit. And alot of pics I've seen of the LP aren't always Black. Some do have more pinkish hairs on them than others, and give them the Rosea appearance. The thing that threw me was her stout carapace that seemed a bit large for a Rosea. So I was confusing myself for no reason to be honest that's all. I was just asking people if they could identify the two at that size, that way I knew I wasn't crazy about having a beastly Rosea.

 

[popcangenie]

LAST POST

first off

ok so am i the only one here who thinks that if we buy a tarantula its are responsibility to take care of it? its OUR pet! now lets try and let it live for more then a a darn week! yea i kill crickets every dam day but am i the only one to kinda bond with my tarantulas

second could you of not just looked at the 2 spiders and said hmmm they look the exact same! or maybe google the sp?


third

yes you did say oooh im sad but did you display any sadness in the posts ...no "SHE'S A BEAST! l0l" wow you sound really sad there

and last off people flamed you for !2! reasons 1 you were <edit>,you never did !any! research a simple 2 minutes could of save this tarantulas life and second you lit the flame! we tried to help and then left some criticism and you put a lighter to the wood

sorry other people who think im a nut, people like this really tic me off. [/COLOR]

BTW have a nice day

 

[Czalz]

Exactly. It wasn't that I couldn't identify her as a G. Rosea. It was the ferocity of her attack on him, and the sheer size of her (which even others have agreed she is really big) that kinda threw me a bit. And alot of pics I've seen of the LP aren't always Black. Some do have more pinkish hairs on them than others, and give them the Rosea appearance. The thing that threw me was her stout carapace that seemed a bit large for a Rosea. So I was confusing myself for no reason to be honest that's all. I was just asking people if they could identify the two at that size, that way I knew I wasn't crazy about having a beastly Rosea.

Understandable.......

Regarding the "holes" in your original post, I wasn't criticizing you as much as I was making the point that you can find "holes" in just about anything that someone says, if that's the sort of person that you want to be.

Example:

The fact that your spider went through the gap and then "came back to his side" indicates that there was probably more than enough time to intervene. The statement that the new spider "jumped" with "pinpoint" accuracy is a little suspicious, since rosies are practically blind, and they aren't at all known for a dependable aerial attack. They can't actually "jump"; their legs aren't designed that way.

Now, I could rip you a new one for these two things not being perfectly logical, or I could try to understand how they could have happened. I can understand that you froze in suspense when you saw your Rosie climb to the top of its wall and go over the divider, and that it might have taken a minute to go grab something you felt was adequate to fix the unforseen problem. I can also see how the larger tarantula lunged at the smaller one, which you perceived as a "jump".

 

[AmbushArachnids]

Exactly. It wasn't that I couldn't identify her as a G. Rosea. It was the ferocity of her attack on him, and the sheer size of her (which even others have agreed she is really big) that kinda threw me a bit. And alot of pics I've seen of the LP aren't always Black. Some do have more pinkish hairs on them than others, and give them the Rosea appearance. The thing that threw me was her stout carapace that seemed a bit large for a Rosea. So I was confusing myself for no reason to be honest that's all. I was just asking people if they could identify the two at that size, that way I knew I wasn't crazy about having a beastly Rosea.

I agree that is huge for a G. rosea. Like said above for some one thats been in the hobby for a good amount of time you would be able to tell very easily the difference between the 2.

As far as split cages are concerned. You need to have no gaps to crawl through. And if you are using a screen lid as most beginners do. You want to make certain that a T cannot lift the screen.They are very strong. Even known to chew through metal.

IMO its these mistakes that could be avoided by reading a book or googling "how to keep a tarantula" (mind you theres alot of incorrect info on google) This is one of the simplest things to avoid even if you did a meager amount of searching. I am not trying to be mean, just helpful.

You should consider reading some books on care. You might even enjoy some of the things you learn. And will avoid killing your pet in the process. Some of the simplest mistakes can kill you T. Wrong kinds of wood, wild bugs, petting your dog before handling anything in the T cage.(pesticides). We all started out knowing nothing. Do your homework, youll enjoy it.

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

I've been called such a bad person for killing a tarantula. That I did not kill, my female killed.

Look at it how you want, it was your fault. You killed it, indirectly yes, but still. Sorry for your loss.

I've been called stupid because I can't identify a Tarantula, yet there is an entire thread with half of these same posters in it, not being able to identify T's.

Half of these same posters? I'd like to see that. Just because you can't identify Ts that well, don't start making things up saying "half these same posters" because you didn't look through any ID threads and see "these same posters".

Yet you bash another human for making the same mistakes you've made in your lives. I've never been bitten. Yet there is an entire thread of members of this site who's been bitten. People who KNOW how skittish or aggressive their T's are, yet do the dumbest of things to get bit anyway.

No, you don't have to be doing anything dumb to get bit, many are doing cage maintenance or transfers and get bit. So it appears that you didn't read anything in the bite reports, but you refer to it like you've read all of it.

I never said I didn't research. Yet once one person who can't read, and assumes I didn't research goes off on a tangent, all the rest of the clicks follow suite.

Well if you would've done the research you would've read that Ts can fit through the smallest of space and how bad split tanks can be.

Research is not the best teacher. Trial and error is. This is how it is in the real world. I could care less what you say about split tanks. I'm personally not that stupid to follow that kind of statement. However, I'm smart enough to know I made a small error in it's creation, and would never make that error twice.

If you aren't going to follow any statements that can be proven, then don't post.

I didn't need 50 posts attacking me telling me what I did wrong, after I told YOU what I did wrong. What I did ask for, which was NEVER answered, was how many of you can identify a 4 inch Salmon Pink, next to a 4 inch G. Rosea and honestly pick them apart? No one answered this. There are T's out there, when the same size, can be hard to identify on first glance.

I can identify a 4 inch G. rosea from a 4 inch LP. There.

It seems like you keep referring to sexing threads, ID threads, and the bite reports like you've read them, yet clearly what you have said about them, has proven you haven't. Read them, they are entertaining, you'll learn more. Research, you'll learn more. Yes, trial and error is a way to learn, but its your opinion that its the best. Nothing makes up for research though, and there is no excuse for lack of research.

And just some advice that is unrelated to Ts, the way you talk to people on here is how you get respect, and you need to work on that. If I came across as rude or harsh, it was unintended, I was trying to help. But I never outright talk to anyone like that unwarranted. Even if someone sounds rude or harsh to you, tell them, don't start bashing back, because that's what turns threads into this, 6 pages of worthless arguing.

Good luck and sorry for your loss. I hope you learn, and remain in the hobby, I hope you have fun in this hobby. I hope you can learn to accept others criticism, critiquing, advice, and help. Else you'll end up as another batgirl.

And...

Arachnoboards doesn't need another batgirl.

 

[AmbushArachnids]

LAST POST

first off

ok so am i the only one here who thinks that if we buy a tarantula its are responsibility to take care of it? its OUR pet! now lets try and let it live for more then a a darn week! yea i kill crickets every dam day but am i the only one to kinda bond with my tarantulas

second could you of not just looked at the 2 spiders and said hmmm they look the exact same! or maybe google the sp?


third

yes you did say oooh im sad but did you display any sadness in the posts ...no "SHE'S A BEAST! l0l" wow you sound really sad there

and last off people flamed you for !2! reasons 1 you were <edit>,you never did !any! research a simple 2 minutes could of save this tarantulas life and second you lit the flame! we tried to help and then left some criticism and you put a lighter to the wood

sorry other people who think im a nut, people like this really tic me off. [/COLOR]

BTW have a nice day

I dont know what your trying to acomplish in your post other than to satisfy your own need to vent because people dont hug and kiss there tarantulas like you. Its equivelent to growing a flower or keeping a fish. I dont think anyone needs to be sad over a T they have had for a week. And any emotional attachment you have is great but dont push that philosophy onto people in the hobby. Its a feeble argument.