OMG This is bad...

[Mister Internet]

+1 The OP caused this. And to Mister Internet, we told him what the problem was, what should be done to correct it, and gave him advice. He turned and twisted it, not us. But I do agree some of the posts on here were uncalled for. And some of us were trying to help, so don't even say we weren't.

You weren't helpful at all... you told him split tanks are dangerous (they aren't, if done correctly), you told him doing research would prove what a bad idea it was (which it doesn't, necessarily), and you scolded him for not grabbing it as soon as he saw that something was about to happen... I've been keeping T's for years, and I STILL don't like grabbing them, even when I want to. I can't imagine a noob just "grabbing" his T safely when they're already freaking out and likely don't even know how to really handle a tarantula safely yet. You came out swinging, totally uncalled for after what he had posted.

And some of us were trying to help, so don't even say we weren't.

Yes, some... I wouldn't have put you in that category tho.

This thread should just get closed since it's calmed down.

We decide what happens with threads here, but thanks for your help.

 

[Mister Internet]

For the first time, Mister Internett, I disagree with you. I think that some of the post made on the first page was calm, composed and helpfull - the OP took it all as evilness, and got his panties in a bunch.

Yes, it developed into something foul, but I must say I think the OP overreacted somewhat - some of what was written was well written, and genuine advice.

Some of them were, fine. But not most... I would say fully 75% of what was posted after the OP was exactly as I described in my first post. If I had people picking on me like that, I'd overreact to... there's no Forum Law that he has to take unmitigated crap from everyone who feels like it for every mistake he makes.

 

[Mister Internet]

you said all of this... dose this sound sad? you KILLED a animal!:barf: I do NOT feel sorry for you and of course your 6 year old understands he/she is SIX e/she is gonna believe DADDY :? if you told her dogs are dinosaur him/her would say ...hmmm that makes sense dad said it! you should of done you research and you did not it's your fault now stop try to blame others and stop trying to flame this tread because at this point im not going to even give you the time of day to help you next time when i said "could you show us the divider" I was going to tell you where you went wrong!

sorry to all the other people for my rant but this really upsets me!

Can't you read?

I'm so sad about him. As I type she just finished him off, he's about a 1/2 inch mass of nothing, and she placed him at the back of the burrow I made for her.

But the ferocity which she pounced on him was crazy. Just wanted to share this with you guys. I'm still mad at her for eating my 1st T".

Yeah, he sounds like he was getting a real "kick" of of what had just happened. It's so nice that you've been here less than two months and have everything under control like you do, must be nice.

And THIS nonsense has got to stop:

you said all of this... dose this sound sad? you KILLED a animal!

Do you know how many "animals" you kill every day just walking through your HOUSE, let alone your yard? Driving? Buying groceries? Eating food? Doing laundry? Dial it back like three notches and join the real world... it's a spider. It can't think, it can't feel pain, it can't rationalize, reason symbolically, or feel emotion. If he had done this to a DOG or something with half a brain, I could see your outrage.

 

[Mister Internet]

Yeah unlike Mr.Internet some people actually value the lives of there tarantulas and don't think of them as just a "bug" and no big deal if it dies.I know lots of people here that care dearly about there pet tarantulas and consider them to be much more than just "property" they own.

Show me where I said ANY of that, please. I'll wait.

To the Original poster that's to bad about your rosea man..I don't think there was any reason for you to get so upset when people are just trying to help tho!

MAYBE two people were trying to help... the rest just wanted to rile him up and cause the exact situation we've just seen unfold. It's happening all over this forum lately more often than anyone wants to admit.

Some split tanks can work OK and there's actually a couple people on the forum selling custom made acrylic tanks that are divided.May want to look into something like that!
-Chris

Thank you, that was helpful.

 

[AbraCadaver]

Some of them were, fine. But not most... I would say fully 75% of what was posted after the OP was exactly as I described in my first post. If I had people picking on me like that, I'd overreact to... there's no Forum Law that he has to take unmitigated crap from everyone who feels like it for every mistake he makes.

This I agree with. I think we generally agree, we just touched on different points

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

You weren't helpful at all... you told him split tanks are dangerous (they aren't, if done correctly), you told him doing research would prove what a bad idea it was (which it doesn't, necessarily), and you scolded him for not grabbing it as soon as he saw that something was about to happen... I've been keeping T's for years, and I STILL don't like grabbing them, even when I want to. I can't imagine a noob just "grabbing" his T safely when they're already freaking out and likely don't even know how to really handle a tarantula safely yet. You came out swinging, totally uncalled for after what he had posted.



Yes, some... I wouldn't have put you in that category tho.



We decide what happens with threads here, but thanks for your help.

First, I didn't tell him to grab, I told him to do something to prevent it. If you reread this, you'll see I mentioned using a deli cup to trap one of them. So good job reading. My posts were aimed at informing and helping whether you want to think so or not. And many of the regular users here such as codykrr also provided the same info to him and tried helping. And as far as me not being in that category, you aren't either, you have provided no help. And I didn't say you didn't decide what happens here, so you can do your job. Your replies have been uncalled for and frankly I don't care what you have to say. I can now see what Fran has been talking about.

P.S. Your in this hobby too, the one we all love, yet it seems you don't care about Ts dying. Hmm.... Pathetic. That's all I have to say.

I am officially done with this thread, apparently to Mr. I, nobody here has the ability to help, so good luck to the other users who try to do so like we all have.

Edit: Why don't you just reread this thread because he didn't start on me until I asked a very simple question in order to clarify things. Then he went all high and mighty on me like you just have. I invite you to reread my first few posts and point out what exactly it was that was so bad. I told him like it was and offered my help. DawgPound, Mr. I, deal with it. You have come off as the know it alls.

Farewell

 

[Scorpionking20]

I think Mr Internet hit it spot on. The guy made a mistake, but I remember many years ago feeding ONLY mice to my G rosea because I thought crix were too little.

However, years later I have a B dubia colony going and buy occasional crix from the LPS for some smaller slings.

And whether you love them or not, they are just a bug. You can love a bug, but all the comments about how he ended an innocent life and insinuating that he's a murderer, is a weak argument.

Bottom line...it's his fault. He did bad. He didn't research. Well...he's here now, perhaps we can make him a great keeper and a plus to the hobby!

C'mon guys. He did bad, but don't treat him like Hitler.

Too many people watching Fox/MSNBC. lol! Oh the drama!

To the OP: Your' fault. Bummer. Read some more, ask some more questions, and if we can help you we will.

 

[Scorpionking20]

As a side note, perhaps we should treat newbs that make newb mistakes a little better to try and keep them in the hobby.

I have noticed a high amount of threads where somebody makes a mistake, and then they get their character attacked. I think that's what Mr I was talking about. It's ok to criticize the situation, but to call out somebody's character as less than ok is the wrong thing to do in the situation.

 

[KoriTamashii]

I don't think anyone in here is using the term 'troll' correctly.

A troll is someone who posts something for the sole purpose of riling other people up, and none of that is being done here.

Some bashing, yes, but no trolling.

However, the bashers really have a point.

You failed to do the proper research, and by doing so, ended up with casualties.

You've nixed any sympathy you might have gained by jumping down the throats of anyone that doesn't agree with something you say.

So, no, we don't really feel bad for you.

But maybe you'll learn something.

 

[tebs]

i think its pretty simple...when noobs (LIKE ME! I do consider myself a noob eventhough I use to have tarantulas yeeeaaars ago) ask for help just give them that...HELP...we don't need the attitude, side comments and what you think the world is coming down to....we're noobs we make mistakes, im sure you "experts" make mistakes as well....if you don't think you do...then...i don't know...you got issues...

 

[AudreyElizabeth]

As a side note, perhaps we should treat newbs that make newb mistakes a little better to try and keep them in the hobby.

I have noticed a high amount of threads where somebody makes a mistake, and then they get their character attacked. I think that's what Mr I was talking about. It's ok to criticize the situation, but to call out somebody's character as less than ok is the wrong thing to do in the situation.

This! I agree with this.

 

[AbraCadaver]

Well, it's been said atleast 20 times he made a mistake. Let's all just let this thread go. I think he gets it, really. Nobody's that daft..

So let's just sum it up, and leave it at that;
If you want to divide a tank, make sure there are no cracks, cravices, holes or otherwise for any of the spiders to come through. Secure it properly, and do your homework.

And pretty much everyone that has posted in this thread could do with being a tad bit nicer. It really shouldnt be necessary for adult people to come down to this level.

 

[Pocket Jotter]

Yea that is 100% G.rosea. (what a first post to comment on)

i think some people are being a bit harsh, yes he made a mistake and i am sure he knows it. I always go by the rule one Tarantula to one housing.

we all have made mistakes and i am sure we will all make many more before our time on this planet is over, it is annoying that he didn't intervene, i remember i lost my first T to a (looking back) stupid mistake i put a plastic pot in its housing for a hide not thinking it would get stuck and die. I never looked up or researched about T's before i got it because it was a surprise b/day present from my at the time g/f. I thank her dearly for getting my hobby started.

that is the only mistake i have made, i admit since then i have read about 12 books, printed out over 100 care-sheets and my second T was a Mombasa Golden Starburst (not for amateurs i was told) anyway i got it, it was a sling and i think getting something that small and that aggressive as my second T really helped me understand more about Tarantulas and not to worry about at what level you supposed to be at before you can keep certain T's.

MR Internett i think i have to disagree about what you said about T's (they can't think or feel pain? (they have to think to be able to do anything, they think about burrowing and how they want the burrow to be as an end product. Any living thing feels pain no matter what it is.

I think Dawg needs to calm down a bit, lists and stuff like that is playground antics. If you don't like the posters replying then don't reply back to them, but at the same time take notice of what help they do provide that way you're on to a guaranteed winner.

Sorry for your loss dawg

 

[Scorpionking20]

Yay!

This! I agree with this.

Somebody see's the light! Thanks!

 

[Czalz]

You weren't helpful at all... you told him split tanks are dangerous (they aren't, if done correctly), you told him doing research would prove what a bad idea it was (which it doesn't, necessarily), and you scolded him for not grabbing it as soon as he saw that something was about to happen... I've been keeping T's for years, and I STILL don't like grabbing them, even when I want to. I can't imagine a noob just "grabbing" his T safely when they're already freaking out and likely don't even know how to really handle a tarantula safely yet. You came out swinging, totally uncalled for after what he had posted.

We decide what happens with threads here, but thanks for your help.

I almost spent the time late last night to reply to this thread, noting the intense overreaction to the OP's opening post, but I was too tired.......nice to see someone show the decency to stand up for others.

Granted, there are a few holes in the OP's story that you could easily fill with "why didn't you <insert critical thought>", but as you said, that does nothing to help correct the mistakes made.

To be honest, it makes me sick to see the approach that many take towards others on here, especially those new to the hobby. YES, people who don't have much experience are going to do some ignorant crap. NO, you don't have to say anything condescending to them. If you realize someone is doing something ignorant; try to be constructive and help them realize why their actions weren't very wise.....preferably in a way that doesn't make them feel like a schmuck.

-Charles

 

[Mister Internet]

First, I didn't tell him to grab, I told him to do something to prevent it. If you reread this, you'll see I mentioned using a deli cup to trap one of them. So good job reading.

Astute you are. Tell me what a noob would think to do when faced with a situation like this that's completely impossible to "research" and "be prepared" for. Grab it with something? Yeah, I thought so...

My posts were aimed at informing and helping whether you want to think so or not.

If they are aimed that way, make them sound that way. You sounded exactly how I explained you sounded. "Helping" doesn't generally involve backhandedly insinuating someone's an irresponsible idiot.

And many of the regular users here such as codykrr also provided the same info to him and tried helping.

Yeah, I don't think he was being helpful at all either. You're the only one that took issue with my statement though, so I'm dealing with you.

And as far as me not being in that category, you aren't either, you have provided no help. And I didn't say you didn't decide what happens here, so you can do your job. Your replies have been uncalled for and frankly I don't care what you have to say.

My replies have been an attempt to steer the tone and tenor of this board back to what it used to be before a bunch of people that are barely a couple years into this hobby themselves started tearing noobs a new hole for making understandable mistakes and treating the deaths of T's like those of family members. That's kind of my job here. Therefore, entirely called for.

I can now see what Fran has been talking about.

Yeah, send Fran a PM and ask him his opinion of me... be sure you copy and paste the conversation here for everyone to read. You may be shocked that you have to eat your words.

P.S. Your in this hobby too, the one we all love, yet it seems you don't care about Ts dying. Hmm.... Pathetic. That's all I have to say.

You know what's pathetic? People who don't know the difference between an actual tragedy and a fake one. Find where I said I don't care about T's dying... don't worry, I'll wait. Couldn't find it? That's what I thought. You know what else is pathetic? Putting words in others' mouths when you can't make your point on its own merits.

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

Astute you are. Tell me what a noob would think to do when faced with a situation like this that's completely impossible to "research" and "be prepared" for. Grab it with something? Yeah, I thought so...

That situation wasn't something completely impossible to research and be prepared for. If you can never be prepared for it, then it would happen to everyone and no one would know what to do. :clap:

If they are aimed that way, make them sound that way. You sounded exactly how I explained you sounded. "Helping" doesn't generally involve backhandedly insinuating someone's an irresponsible idiot.

I wasn't trying to make him sound like an idiot, I tried explaining how to fix the problem.

Yeah, I don't think he was being helpful at all either. You're the only one that took issue with my statement though, so I'm dealing with you.

Well if you're gonna take an issue with me, then I'm gonna deal with you too.

My replies have been an attempt to steer the tone and tenor of this board back to what it used to be before a bunch of people that are barely a couple years into this hobby themselves started tearing noobs a new hole for making understandable mistakes and treating the deaths of T's like those of family members. That's kind of my job here. Therefore, entirely called for.

So you are trying to steer it back by doing what you're criticizing others for doing, condescending everyone else. :clap:

You know what's pathetic? People who don't know the difference between an actual tragedy and a fake one. Find where I said I don't care about T's dying... don't worry, I'll wait. Couldn't find it? That's what I thought. You know what else is pathetic? Putting words in others' mouths when you can't make your point on its own merits.

You clearly said they are "just bugs" and you made it "seem" like it, just like what I put in my post, "seems.". Once again I said "seems" like you don't care so go ahead and put more words in my mouth, like you claim I have done to you. :clap:

 

[Spiral_Stairs]

Ohhhh, now I remember why I haven't logged in since 2004!

 

[Czalz]

My replies have been an attempt to steer the tone and tenor of this board back to what it used to be before a bunch of people that are barely a couple years into this hobby themselves started tearing noobs a new hole for making understandable mistakes and treating the deaths of T's like those of family members. That's kind of my job here. Therefore, entirely called for.

Sometimes it's scary how you take the thoughts from my head. I'm going to go put on my tinfoil hat. I almost stated in my last post that it sure seems like the "new crowd" is alot less helpful than those of years past. Alot more intellectual arrogance, and very little practical usefulness seems to be the trend, based on the threads I have read lately.

There are alot of great minds here on AB, but a great mind that cannot be extracted from adequately because of a lack of respect for others, arrogance, etc., is nearly worthless.


@ Chris......

I can assure you that the "just bugs" comment made by Mr. I was NOT because he has no love/respect for bugs. Nobody devotes as much of their life and time to a forum like this as he has without having a decent affection for inverts.

I think (could be wrong) that the heart of his statement was to point out that many on here will go to great lengths to defend the life and rights of a "bug", but have no reservations about ripping apart a human being.

 

[Chris_Skeleton]

To Mr. I, attempting to steer this thread the right way, you officially steered it the exact opposite way by calling people out and I helped by arguing with you. If you want to sit here and argue then so be it, pick someone else, I have no more time for you. Let's steer this thread in the right way now, by ending these pointless arguments. If you are trying to "win" then have it your way. I could care less. I am not going to argue because it's pointless, I'll never prove my point to you, you'll never prove your point to me, so we are wasting our time and the other members time. Let's end it here. I no longer want to take up a thread that should be about helping the poster, not arguing. I tried my hand at helping and I back up 100% of what I said. I was genuinely trying to help no matter what you think. So Mr. I, will you do the commendable thing and also stand down? And try to help the OP rather than "bash" me for apparently "bashing" and I will also stand down.. I agree this thread has got out of hand, and if you can agree about that, then we don't need to argue. You can surely see that this is going nowhere, so let' instead turn it around and take it somewhere. I am done arguing, I hope you are too.

This is also for all the other members on here caught in this stupid argument.