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I'm currently keeping two at the moment and preparing for a third that will be ready soon. Currently P. metallica is the only sub adults - adults living together. So unless I keep them together forever, they can't be kept communally ?
Well yes that's how you keep a Poecilotheria communal. You raise slings together in close quarters. But I have kept adult together, how long do I need to keep them together before you will agree that it works ? So you agree that they can be raised peacefully , but then when they turn into full grown adults they just start going on a killing rampage ? Doubt it. Google P. regalis communal, there's plenty of pics of adults living together.
Yes, I gave a fair view of my experience, and have witnessed two occasion of cannibalism ( out of hundreds), but you ignored the reason why. Of coarse I'm going to say there may of been more that I never saw. It would be ridiculous for me to claim that I sit there watching them 24/7, but even then if it was some majore problem you would think I would see some evidence of it , no ?
Benefits would be raising large numbers of sling quickly, while saving time, space, and supplies. As Chase mentioned earlier, I only do this with slings that I hatch myself, so there is no financial lose in the event of a incident.
I never said "most likely" had more losses that I didn't know about. I said "Could there be more, sure" As I commented above, I don't sit there watching them all day, but there has been no other evidence to suggest they are murdering each other when I'm not looking lol. As for the other "problems", yes I'm trying to give a fair account of what happens. Again, what I said is these are "minor problems" and haven't caused any cannibalism, so I guess that's where we disagree ?You raised sac mates with losses, how many exactly you can't say but from your wording most likely more than what you witnessed..You had other problems as well.. Some outcompeted other's for food molting problems etc... You basically ran into all the same problems that I said would arise in a communal set up yet you disagreed with what I said.. That's kind of ironic...
I'm not trying to use any sort of word trickery here lol. Yes, I've had several species grow to full grown adults together, although as stated earlier I'm not a fan of keeping the adults together so I do normally separate them. With tigrinawesseli I had 6-8 females living together for some time. 2 males matured in this group and I would often witness mating behavior from both the males and the females. Sometime the males engaging more then one female at once. I never saw insertions, and eventually separated them, so yes that's as far as I've taken the experiment. I'm not sure what we disagreed on here, as neither of us brought up breeding until this lol.From what I can extract from the wording in your post you never raised a group into adulthood for an indefinate period where maybe only two out of ten would survive. Where possibly males would compete for mating privileges or females would compete for laying territory. Let me ask you. How do you think a female guarding an eggsac would respond to another male or female trying to occupy that same den? Again an area where you disagreed with me but you have never taken the experiment that far so you cant answer the question with any degree of certainty... Kind of ironic
Anyhow, some polish breeder have been successful breeding Poecilotheria in a communal type setting, so maybe refer to them. If you are not on Facebook, I'll be happy to email you the pics . https://www.facebook.com/pg/spiderzone.cz/photos/?tab=album&album_id=568373416587557
Not in my experience. Can you reference some of these threads that end up with one big fat spider ?
I disagreed with you , because someone said regalis do well in a communal, and responded, "No they don't". That sounded pretty cut and dry to me lol, but if you are willing to agree now that its not so cut and dry then I think we do agree lol.Like I said this subject will allways be debatable and never be as cut and dry as they are or they aren't communal .. Another point that you disagreed with I believe
Well you shouldn't just toss all your Pokies in a big bin to see what happens, because that's not how this works. I would encourage anyone thinking about trying it to research it before hand. The info is out there, I'm not the only one doing this.
I think we get hung up on the word communal, and what makes them truly communal. Sure we can call them tolerant or whatever you want. If me raising them to adults with little to no indecent and then separating them after some time , rather then leaving adults together for years makes them NOT communal, then so be it.
You guys have already decided that its a bad idea, and that's fine. But I wont raise them any other way from now on. Even got ornata together now and they are reported to be the worst communal species. Well see, so far so good
Sorry for the long post, lots to catch up on here after a long day of work.
Later, Tom
Can I have your opinion on metallica communals, because I have read that they are best poecis to be kept together?
