Is the Zoo Med Creatures Creature habitat good for tailless whip scorpions?

mickiem

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Any of the smaller ones would be fine in there but I think the Damon diadema would do better in a little larger enclosure. Maybe a 10 gallon converted to be vertical. Be sure to include upright hides!
 

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It’s the “arboreal” set up thats 8.75Lx8.5Wx11.75H

I’m not exactly sure what species I’m getting but if you know any that will live well in here full grown please let me know.
Most will be okay. The larger ones would need a bit more space.

You don't need a lot of substrate so that is a plus because you can have more vertical space that isn't taken up by substrate.
 

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Agree this is fine for the more moderate-sized amblypygi such as Phrynus barbadensis or Phrynus whitei (though for the latter that will be the absolute smallest you can get away with), or a young Damon or Acanthophrynus (both will outgrow it quickly). If it has a screen top, you'll need to modify that - it will be far too much ventilation.

Many of us who keep amblypygi use tall clear food storage containers - they're fairly inexpensive, easy to add ventilation to, readily available, and have very secure lids. Just cut a small (~1"x2") rectangle out of the lid and glue or melt on a bit of steel wire mesh over it, add some moist substrate and a piece of cork or styrofoam, and you're done.
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Incidentally, this should have been posted in "other spiders and arachnids" subforum - just so you know for next time :)
 

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Agree this is fine for the more moderate-sized amblypygi such as Phrynus barbadensis or Phrynus whitei (though for the latter that will be the absolute smallest you can get away with), or a young Damon or Acanthophrynus (both will outgrow it quickly). If it has a screen top, you'll need to modify that - it will be far too much ventilation.

Many of us who keep amblypygi use tall clear food storage containers - they're fairly inexpensive, easy to add ventilation to, readily available, and have very secure lids. Just cut a small (~1"x2") rectangle out of the lid and glue or melt on a bit of steel wire mesh over it, add some moist substrate and a piece of cork or styrofoam, and you're done.
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Incidentally, this should have been posted in "other spiders and arachnids" subforum - just so you know for next time :)
Even though it works I was never a fan of the Styrofoam thing.
 

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@darkness975 You better block me as well, because I came up with the setup that you are so passionately not a fan of.
I too want to enjoy life! Please!
 

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Agree this is fine for the more moderate-sized amblypygi such as Phrynus barbadensis or Phrynus whitei (though for the latter that will be the absolute smallest you can get away with), or a young Damon or Acanthophrynus (both will outgrow it quickly). If it has a screen top, you'll need to modify that - it will be far too much ventilation.

Many of us who keep amblypygi use tall clear food storage containers - they're fairly inexpensive, easy to add ventilation to, readily available, and have very secure lids. Just cut a small (~1"x2") rectangle out of the lid and glue or melt on a bit of steel wire mesh over it, add some moist substrate and a piece of cork or styrofoam, and you're done.
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Incidentally, this should have been posted in "other spiders and arachnids" subforum - just so you know for next time :)
don’t they need to hide?
 

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does anyone know/use this enclosure for anything else? i was thinking of getting something else for a whiptail scorpion n using this for a feigning beetle
 

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Agree this is fine for the more moderate-sized amblypygi such as Phrynus barbadensis or Phrynus whitei (though for the latter that will be the absolute smallest you can get away with), or a young Damon or Acanthophrynus (both will outgrow it quickly). If it has a screen top, you'll need to modify that - it will be far too much ventilation.

Many of us who keep amblypygi use tall clear food storage containers - they're fairly inexpensive, easy to add ventilation to, readily available, and have very secure lids. Just cut a small (~1"x2") rectangle out of the lid and glue or melt on a bit of steel wire mesh over it, add some moist substrate and a piece of cork or styrofoam, and you're done.
View attachment 403403

Incidentally, this should have been posted in "other spiders and arachnids" subforum - just so you know for next time :)
thanks for the in depth reply and my bad for posting in the wrong subforum, was unsure which one to post in lol
 

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Agree this is fine for the more moderate-sized amblypygi such as Phrynus barbadensis or Phrynus whitei (though for the latter that will be the absolute smallest you can get away with), or a young Damon or Acanthophrynus (both will outgrow it quickly). If it has a screen top, you'll need to modify that - it will be far too much ventilation.

Many of us who keep amblypygi use tall clear food storage containers - they're fairly inexpensive, easy to add ventilation to, readily available, and have very secure lids. Just cut a small (~1"x2") rectangle out of the lid and glue or melt on a bit of steel wire mesh over it, add some moist substrate and a piece of cork or styrofoam, and you're done.
View attachment 403403

Incidentally, this should have been posted in "other spiders and arachnids" subforum - just so you know for next time :)
the white styrofoam doesn’t stress them out?
 

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don’t they need to hide?
They don’t see very well - their sense of security has more to do with what they can feel than what they can see. Because these enclosures are narrow, they can reach out and touch the opposite wall with their antenniform legs. As a result, they feel secure and hidden, even though they are on display. It is quite easy to tell when an amblypygi feels stressed out and exposed, once you know what you’re looking for, and none of the animals kept this way exhibit those behaviours. If you were to use a more square footprint like the enclosure you posted, you would probably want to add a second piece of cork or styrofoam to give a bit more shelter.

the white styrofoam doesn’t stress them out?
Not at all. In areas where human habitation intersects with their range, amblypygi are commonly found hiding out in abandoned styrofoam containers. @wizentrop has done extensive testing with many species and has found that some actually show a preference for styrofoam over other more natural materials. It’s inert, and it allows excellent grip for them to moult. For the keeper it has other advantages (easy to clean, doesn’t grow mould, readily obtained, easy to see the animal), but the animal’s needs always come first, and amblypygi undeniably like to hang out on styrofoam. If you prefer a more “natural” aesthetic, you can of course use cork bark. It’s not actually a more natural material for them to be on (most are cave dwellers), but many keepers use it for aesthetic reasons, and the amblypygi are happy on it.

does anyone know/use this enclosure for anything else? i was thinking of getting something else for a whiptail scorpion n using this for a feigning beetle
FYI “whiptail scorpion” is distinct from “tailless whip scorpion” - this is why I tend to use proper names - the common names are very confusing! “Whiptail scorpion” usually refers to thelyphonida (vinegaroons).
 

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They don’t see very well - their sense of security has more to do with what they can feel than what they can see. Because these enclosures are narrow, they can reach out and touch the opposite wall with their antenniform legs. As a result, they feel secure and hidden, even though they are on display. It is quite easy to tell when an amblypygi feels stressed out and exposed, once you know what you’re looking for, and none of the animals kept this way exhibit those behaviours. If you were to use a more square footprint like the enclosure you posted, you would probably want to add a second piece of cork or styrofoam to give a bit more shelter.



Not at all. In areas where human habitation intersects with their range, amblypygi are commonly found hiding out in abandoned styrofoam containers. @wizentrop has done extensive testing with many species and has found that some actually show a preference for styrofoam over other more natural materials. It’s inert, and it allows excellent grip for them to moult. For the keeper it has other advantages (easy to clean, doesn’t grow mould, readily obtained, easy to see the animal), but the animal’s needs always come first, and amblypygi undeniably like to hang out on styrofoam. If you prefer a more “natural” aesthetic, you can of course use cork bark. It’s not actually a more natural material for them to be on (most are cave dwellers), but many keepers use it for aesthetic reasons, and the amblypygi are happy on it.



FYI “whiptail scorpion” is distinct from “tailless whip scorpion” - this is why I tend to use proper names - the common names are very confusing! “Whiptail scorpion” usually refers to thelyphonida (vinegaroons).
oops forgot to put tailless, yes i love using scientific names too, but haven’t learned how to spell them all out yet lol

only few i know are like t stirmi, t albo, A. seemanii, B. emilia, B. smithi/hamorii etc

slowly learning lol just got into the creepy crawly game a little less than a month ago


i thought they need some slated decor so they can molt properly? i’d love to use the flat thing that ppl use w like scorpions, instead of styrofoam since it’ll be brownish instead of white and the tailless whip would be out on display! thank you for all ur help so far too
 

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oops forgot to put tailless, yes i love using scientific names too, but haven’t learned how to spell them all out yet lol

only few i know are like t stirmi, t albo, A. seemanii, B. emilia, B. smithi/hamorii etc

slowly learning lol just got into the creepy crawly game a little less than a month ago


i thought they need some slated decor so they can molt properly? i’d love to use the flat thing that ppl use w like scorpions, instead of styrofoam since it’ll be brownish instead of white and the tailless whip would be out on display! thank you for all ur help so far too
They can moult successfully on a completely vertical surface, provided it’s grippy enough. For larger specimens I actually add a piece of styrofoam to the lid, which they tend to preferentially moult from (but some still choose to moult from the vertical surface).
Here are examples of my specimens moulting from a lid-mounted styrofoam panel and from a completely vertical panel. As you can see, they don’t have a problem with either position.
 

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They can moult successfully on a completely vertical surface, provided it’s grippy enough. For larger specimens I actually add a piece of styrofoam to the lid, which they tend to preferentially moult from (but some still choose to moult from the vertical surface).
Here are examples of my specimens moulting from a lid-mounted styrofoam panel and from a completely vertical panel. As you can see, they don’t have a problem with either position.
pretty cool!

any idea if the cork sheets would be as good as styrofoam?
 
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