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[The Snark]

Brilliant! I guess that just must not have occurred to them. The commercial beekeepers are the ones to ask. After those professionals have been struggling so much for many years, I'm sure they would appreciate you asking if they could simply be more diligent in their beekeeping practices.

Well worded post BTW. But to the point, bee keepers can have hives spread over thousands of square miles. My apiarist friends have hives in Cal, Utah, Nevada and I think some in NM. Since foul brood can manifest in a matter of days, the problem becomes obvious.

@DaveM BTW, bee keeping is by no means a haphazard operation. Some schools offer a certificate in apiary science as part of their 4 year environmental sciences course.

@aprilmayjunebugs FYI, I'm basically a researcher and data source. If I don't respond to posts I may be ignoring or I simply am cutting back on making word salads.

 

[DaveM]

Well worded post BTW. But to the point, bee keepers can have hives spread over thousands of square miles. My apiarist friends have hives in Cal, Utah, Nevada and I think some in NM. Since foul brood can manifest in a matter of days, the problem becomes obvious.

Good information, as usual, @The Snark. It is too bad that the efficiencies of monoculture for big agriculture mean that the time crops will be in bloom is too restricted to support fixed hives, necessitating transport of hives to where crops will be in bloom. I wish for more meadow restoration efforts to support native pollinators.

 

[The Snark]

It is too bad that the efficiencies of monoculture for big agriculture mean that the time crops will be in bloom is too restricted to support fixed hives, necessitating transport of hives to where crops will be in bloom.

There is a lot of science and general know how born of experience in professional bee keeping. One major issue is putting the hives where there are the least hazards and most bang for the buck. For example, my bee keeper friends avoid moisture areas. Foul brood is only one infection they have to cope with so dryer climates. Molds and mildew can also trash a hives output. Then they place the hives according to predicted flowering seasons which is a huge game of circular chairs, when which bloom will be where. And then which honey is the major seller of the moment and what honeys should be pure and which should be mixed. Lots and lots of fussing then sitting on your hands waiting.

Just imagine keeping up with a few hundred or a couple of thousand terrariums.

 

[DaveM]

There is a lot of science and general know how born of experience in professional bee keeping. One major issue is putting the hives where there are the least hazards and most bang for the buck. For example, my bee keeper friends avoid moisture areas. Foul brood is only one infection they have to cope with so dryer climates. Molds and mildew can trash a hives output. Then they place the hives according to predicted flowering seasons which is a huge game of circular chairs, when which bloom will be where. And then which honey is the major seller of the moment and what honeys should be pure and which should be mixed. Lots and lots of fussing then sitting on your hands waiting.

It must be an added complication for them that weather changes from season to season, shifting a little bit what will bloom when from year to year. I'm happy having a diverse garden and a few native bees. Growing food for profit must be so much more work and so much less fun. Respect to the people that feed us.

 

[The Snark]

It must be an added complication for them that weather changes from season to season, shifting a little bit what will bloom when from year to year.

To the casual observer it's a freaking nightmare. Keeping a couple hundred hives on hand all the time, paying attention to local weather reports all over the southwest, having at least one self loader truck on standby all the time and so on. That's another reason why my friends prefer the desert honeys; less environmental changes to keep track of. More temperate climes can yield a much greater amount of honey in a shorter time frame but mom nature and her flowers can be very fickle. A six week bloom in an apple orchard... and half the hives are loaded with mold.

 

[DomGom TheFather]

Respect to the people that feed us.

 

[The Snark]

@aprilmayjunebugs " while completely ignoring the only person in this thread who actually keeps bees."

Are you referring to a post on this thread with a picture of a swarming and some disheveled hive like boxes? It's funny. For the longest time I always thought hives were painted white until I saw some back east. White is for the hot climes and no shade as in the deserts.

Very classy boxes, 2 broods, 10 frames and built to last. Yo, @DaveM Hint hint. And in your neighborhood.

The Northern Style (10 Frame) | Busy Bees -n- More!

The 10 frame Northern Style hive is perfect for beekeepers that live in long winter climates. Busy Bees 'N' More crafted an All-American Amish Made hive kit that contains 2 deep brood boxes and two medium honey supers. These Amish-made beehives are a labor of love designed to hold together using...

busybeesnmore.com

@DomGom TheFather How many frames you run?

 

[DomGom TheFather]

@aprilmayjunebugs " while completely ignoring the only person in this thread who actually keeps bees."

Are you referring to a post on this thread with a picture of a swarming and some disheveled hive like boxes?

Very classy boxes, 2 broods, 10 frames and built to last. Yo, @DaveM Hint hint. And in your neighborhood.

The Northern Style (10 Frame) | Busy Bees -n- More!

The 10 frame Northern Style hive is perfect for beekeepers that live in long winter climates. Busy Bees 'N' More crafted an All-American Amish Made hive kit that contains 2 deep brood boxes and two medium honey supers. These Amish-made beehives are a labor of love designed to hold together using...

busybeesnmore.com

Lol.
They're warres.
Sorry they're not up to your standards. I built the quite a few years ago but the bees seem to think they're alright.

 

[DomGom TheFather]

Maybe i should have slapped together some prefabricated lang like the ones all the bees around here are dying in.

If you couldn't tell, that swarm was moving IN.

 

[DomGom TheFather]

But none of this matters because those bees don't touch very much of anything in the garden and aren't the pollinators I'm worried about.

@DomGom TheFather How many frames you run?

Not many. I don't even steal honey anymore.
I left a few up because they keep coming.
I'm running a women's shelter...
Or maybe it's a refugee camp...
I don't know but the neighbors ain't treatin em right.

 

[aprilmayjunebugs]

Wow Dave, I tried to ask a semi informed question, but thanks for being condescending as usual.
I guess inquiring about if it's possible to not muck with nature so much makes you an all out science denier.

 

[kadupul]

Maybe i should have slapped together some prefabricated lang like the ones all the bees around here are dying in.

Mine have been in Langstroth hives for about seven years without any issues.

 

[DomGom TheFather]

Mine have been in Langstroth hives for about seven years without any issues.

I'm glad to hear it.
I know there's a reason everyone uses them.
Just defending my handywork.

 

[kadupul]

Just defending my handywork.

They looked fine to me.

 

[DomGom TheFather]

They looked fine to me.

They are. Just an enormous pain to pull frames. Haha

 

[DaveM]

Wow Dave, I tried to ask a semi informed question, but thanks for being condescending as usual.
I guess inquiring about if it's possible to not muck with nature so much makes you an all out science denier.

Well, you didn't really just ask a question, now did you?

@DaveM I'd just like to point out that I made exactly one joke and one observation here before you came to your cronies rescue so you two could attempt to show off your brain wrinkles while completely ignoring the only person in this thread who actually keeps bees. Kinda shows your priorities, don't ya think?

If you're that rude to someone and so wrong in what you were saying, then don't you think a little condescension serves you right?
Got a bee in your bonnet about something?

There's no need for name-calling or insulting @The Snark either; he is no crony, just a smart guy that understands a lot about this subject matter.
It's much better to stay civil and on-topic.
A special thing about vaccines is that they do so little to 'muck with nature' -- they help the animal's natural immune mechanisms recognize a pathogen, so that the animal can fight off the disease (naturally!) exactly as Mother Nature intended. Some pesticides and chemical treatments may really be cause for concern. This is much better.
I think it's a wonderful thing when people figure out how to work with nature, and that includes developing and building beehives that allow a colony to thrive (nice work, @DomGom TheFather!), with frames that allow people to collect honey without damaging the hive. Both nature and human ingenuity are to be celebrated, not mocked, and there's no need for anyone to have bad feelings about any of it. Be happy yourself, and be polite and kind to others

 

[The Snark]

A special thing about vaccines is that they do so little to 'muck with nature' -- they help the animal's natural immune mechanisms recognize a pathogen, so that the animal can fight off the disease (naturally!) exactly as Mother Nature intended.

I'm sure you realize this has to be the most bitter irony ever presented to humans. Mom nature delivers, by syringe, millions of inoculations every day. A whole heck of a lot of the time she makes mistakes, but nature is nature, random.
Now just imagine what the world would be like without the mosquitoes, natures perfected inoculation devices. How many beneficial inoculations take place each day? All that humans have done with their vaccines is improve a tiny few inoculations so they target very specific organisms with much less potential harmful effects. Taking a page from mom natures playbook almost as if that is one reason why we developed the prefrontal cortex.

BTW @DaveM Why do you keep talking down to me? Just because you're six years ahead of me in biology and what, a dozen years more practical experience, is no reason to sigh and try to explain things in great detail.
On a seriouser note, the database I now have can be thanked for the most part in my perpetual pestering you eggheads and brainiacs then cracking books in an attempt to catch up. Visualize sitting down at a chess table with Magnus Carlsen across from you. Decisions decisions. Act bitter and resentful and toss out snide crapola while I deride him for sounding condescending, or............................

 

[DomGom TheFather]

It's much better to stay civil and on-topic.

be polite and kind to others

Did i imagine it or didn't this thread start out with bees wearing tinfoil hats?

 

[DomGom TheFather]

don't you think a little condescension serves you right?

Don't you think you're due for your medicine?

 

[DaveM]

I'm sure you realize this has to be the most bitter irony ever presented to humans. Mom nature delivers, by syringe, millions of inoculations every day. A whole heck of a lot of the time she makes mistakes, but nature is nature, random.
Now just imagine what the world would be like without the mosquitoes, natures perfected inoculation devices. How many beneficial inoculations take place each day? All that humans have done with their vaccines is improve a tiny few inoculations so they target very specific organisms with much less potential harmful effects. Taking a page from mom natures playbook almost as if that is one reason why we developed the prefrontal cortex.

BTW @DaveM Why do you keep talking down to me? Just because you're six years ahead of me in biology and what, a dozen years more practical experience, is no reason to sigh and try to explain things in great detail.
On a seriouser note, the database I now have can be thanked for the most part in my perpetual pestering you eggheads and brainiacs then cracking books in an attempt to catch up. Visualize sitting down at a chess table with Magnus Carlsen across from you. Decisions decisions. Act bitter and resentful and toss out snide crapola while I deride him for sounding condescending, or............................

Yeah! Well-put! Now I've been watching woodworking videos on Youtube, trying to pick up some tricks from veteran professional woodworkers. Silly me that I've been appreciating them. I should leave a bunch of snipes in comments about how condescending they are trying to tell me what to do. Let's go get mad at anyone that knows something we don't. How dare they?!

Did i imagine it or didn't this thread start out with bees wearing tinfoil hats?

Someone else came up with that, but tell me you didn't find that just a little bit funny?

Now, but @DomGom TheFather, you shall not be exempt from my new crusade. I was looking at the link posted earlier in this thread to some Amish-made hives. Box joints, OK maybe I could do that, always looking for new woodworking projects. But now you've gone and stolen my thunder. You posted the hive you made, and I bet yours is better than anything I can do. How dare you to have talent!?