Florida vagans pics

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Awesome finds!I'd like to see some of these vagans in Florida myself!
And to Blackcat I really hope you don't have any WC spiders in your collection cause if so...lolz!

 

[Exo]

A quick question that I doubt anyone can fully answer: what kind of eco damage does a non native (invasive) species inflict? I imagine that it depends largely on the species in question as much as the location and it's native life forms. I doubt that a Tarantula causes the same level of damage in south Flroida as does the 'pet' pythons that folks are letting loose. -Just curious.

I doubt that vagans are causing damage either, given thier lifestyle an slow rate of growth. I don't think they can out compete native species, it's not like florida has a "bug shortage" or anything.

 

[ThomasH]

Just because they don't understand makes it ok? So I can lock a retarded child in a room for their whole life because they don't understand it or care about it? I'm not putting my emotions into the animal... it survived its entire life form being a sling, through predation and natural selection, just so someone can come along and say "oh that pretty, me want!" That kind of thinking is a great example of human conceit. People would rather take them home than just observe them in their own environment. Don't insult my intelligence just because your opinion differs from mine, ok?

If it makes no difference to the specimen and ecology, than yeah. It's okay. They live longer in captivity anyway plus, by taking them you are helping ecology of that locality. FuzzOctave nad PrimalTaunt covered the "retarded child argument" sufficiently and better than I would have so I'm not getting into that. They are invasives, what part of that don't you get? They don't belong in the wild, why not take them? And yes, you are putting your emotions into the animal. "Saying I'm not, but......," is a self-contradictory and pitiful rhetoric.
TBH

 

[skippy]

it was my understanding that the lions share of the burmese pythons loose in the glades were due to escapes from zoos and pet stores during a hurricane years back rather than people releasing their pets but, that is neither here nor there

blackcat, would you say that it's wrong to remove a rabbit or a cane toad from the wild in australia? i doubt that a B vagans is anywhere near as detrimental to its floridian habitat as a rabbit or cane toad is down under but the examples are somewhat similar.

 

[ThomasH]

I doubt that vagans are causing damage either, given thier lifestyle an slow rate of growth. I don't think they can out compete native species, it's not like florida has a "bug shortage" or anything.

They aren't taking all of the bugs, but they could take important and rare species. Like say an endangered water bug happens to be taken by one, then it is hurting ecology.
TBH

 

[ThomasH]

@Black Cat ~ Again, how big is your rosea and how much $ did you pay? Same question for the Avic.
TBH

 

[Exo]

They aren't taking all of the bugs, but they could take important and rare species. Like say an endangered water bug happens to be taken by one, then it is hurting ecology.
TBH

That's true, but a native species could also come along and kill a water bug. Ether way, it's a dead bug.

Cats are also an invasive in many places, and I don't see anyone crusading to eliminate them....

 

[AudreyElizabeth]

People would rather take them home than just observe them in their own environment.

My own personal feeling on this matter is, they don't belong there. If you really want to observe them in their own/native environment, a field trip to Mexico would be in order.
I seriously doubt that the Florida government would take steps to eradicate B. vagans, but, with the current press coverage, you never know. (And if they did, how many of us would be scrambling to collect those poor B. vagans? )
I have a feeling that tarantula will survive much longer in captive care, with an experienced keeper.

Nice find Ritzman!!

 

[evicton]

That's true, but a native species could also come along and kill a water bug. Ether way, it's a dead bug.

Cats are also an invasive in many places, and I don't see anyone crusading to eliminate them....

That was just a horrible example.

Here is one example.

In 2007, Chesapeake Animal Control brought in 1,485 stray cats. Another 383 were surrendered to the shelter by pet owners. Of the 1,933 cats at the shelter that year, 1,586 were euthanized and 224 were adopted.

Taken from http://hamptonroads.com/node/517389

 

[PrimalTaunt]

There was also a bill in the state legislature here in Wisconsin back in... 2005 I think... that would have allowed the "hunting" of feral cats. I'm glad that bill was eventually dropped dispite a fair amount of support.

 

[spiderfield]

I think BlackCat has a valid cause for concern, however in this case it doesn't hold merit because, as basically everyone in this thread has pointed out, B. vagans is a non-native species in Florida. And if there is a real concern for the environment, then wouldn't collecting them be way better than using pesticides to get rid of them...pesticides which i'm pretty sure are non-specific and would kill other species as well? Short (and best) answer: Yes.

 

[Exo]

That was just a horrible example.

Here is one example.

In 2007, Chesapeake Animal Control brought in 1,485 stray cats. Another 383 were surrendered to the shelter by pet owners. Of the 1,933 cats at the shelter that year, 1,586 were euthanized and 224 were adopted.

Taken from http://hamptonroads.com/node/517389

They are an invasive in many habitats. For example, feral cats have cleared entire populations of garter snakes from some areas around where I live. They kill everything that moves, snakes, birds, everything.

 

[skippy]

feral cats are one of if not the most destructive introduced species in human history, at least according to animal planet

 

[Exo]

feral cats are one of if not the most destructive introduced species in human history, at least according to animal planet

I,ve seen it first hand, unfortunately it's true.

 

[Kirk]

A quick question that I doubt anyone can fully answer: what kind of eco damage does a non native (invasive) species inflict? I imagine that it depends largely on the species in question as much as the location and it's native life forms. I doubt that a Tarantula causes the same level of damage in south Flroida as does the 'pet' pythons that folks are letting loose. -Just curious.

Domestic cattle and endemic frog species. Cattle greatly alter the banks of streams and ponds, destroying habitats needed by some frogs, and as a consequence disrupting breeding.

 

[Ritzman]

Thanks for the compliments everyone.

 

[evicton]

You said people weren't crusading to eliminate them but thats just not the case. Sure the humane society wants to just neuter and return ferals back to the wild. But the estimated number of cats euthanized every year I believe is in the 6-7 digit range. To say people are not trying to eliminate them is just wrong.

Animal Control goes out collects and kills them, how is that not an attempt to eliminate them. I'm not saying it doesn't need done but your previous post was false.

 

[Heloderm]

I live in south Fla, I had no idea we had t's here! I'm in coral springs, I'd love to go out hunting these guys sometime! Are you into reptiles at all? Maybe we could do a trip for trip?

 

[Exo]

You said people weren't crusading to eliminate them but thats just not the case. Sure the humane society wants to just neuter and return ferals back to the wild. But the estimated number of cats euthanized every year I believe is in the 6-7 digit range. To say people are not trying to eliminate them is just wrong.

Animal Control goes out collects and kills them, how is that not an attempt to eliminate them. I'm not saying it doesn't need done but your previous post was false.

Well, whatever they are doing, it isn't working very well. :wall:

 

[skippy]

no one is crusading to eliminate cats in general. what the humane society does is attempt to eliminate feral cat populations that cause more ecological damage that pet cats(a little bit anyway)

cats breed pretty fast and unfortunately something needs to be done to try to limit the damage they cause.

now that we've strayed off topic i just wanted to say, nice vagans ritzman!