Florida vagans pics
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thats something we can agree on!! don't forget, that battle isn't over! and its not just about snakes!!
As opposed to raising a bird in captivity since birth, then cipping its wings and keeping it in a cage forever? Hehe. Besides, not like we're clipping tarantula legs/fangs are we. Although petshops tell me they have their tarantulas de-fanged. HAHAHAHAHA.Because you are taking it from its home, it's like catching a bird in the wild, clipping its wings, and keeping it in a cage for the rest of its life. There are so many bred in captivity it becomes pretty much pointless to catch and keep them IMO. That is all. Just answering the question, don't mean to derail the thread or anything.
Its true that B.vagans are pretty abundant as CB speciments. I would imagine the reason why he kept it was because 1: he doesnt have to buy one anymore, haha. and 2: itd be an interesting story to tell on how you FOUND it, rather than bought it online. More for sentimental reasons id imagine.
It is now my favorite T I have. Priceless.
But once it has known freedom and made a home for itself you're just going to take it an put it in a tank? Or are people that take them up as a hobby going to tell me they are "just bugs" and nothing more? Really don't want to argue so I'm stopping here.
You are putting your emotions onto the animal. That is very common of newbies. They always think, "oh, it would be happier outside since it was born outside." That logic is incorrect. Theraphosids have no emotions. It doesn't care that it is in a terarrium now. It is not to be compared to a bird or human they have much less of a mental capacity. The Theraphosid won't understand that it is now a restricted captive.Because you are taking it from its home, it's like catching a bird in the wild, clipping its wings, and keeping it in a cage for the rest of its life. There are so many bred in captivity it becomes pretty much pointless to catch and keep them IMO. That is all. Just answering the question, don't mean to derail the thread or anything.
How big is it?
How much did you spend on it?
TBH
:wall: Just :wall:
It doesn't know anything outside of basic instinct. It doesn't comprehend restriction vs. freedom. Yes, just put it in a tank. It isn't going to cry into it's web all night, I promise.
They are just bugs, they are incomparable to having the emotions of birds, mammals, and even herps.TBH
Indeed, captivity is probably like heaven to them. Tons of food, no predators and in some cases, lots of breeding. Everything they could want, sure wish I had everything given to me like that!If anything, she appreciates the 10gal accommodations and the free chow.
Isn't that why invasive species are so despised in the first place? Florida could probably support its vagans population with exclusively non-native insects.Indeed, captivity is probably like heaven to them. Tons of food, no predators and in some cases, lots of breeding. Everything they could want, sure wish I had everything given to me like that!
What's that have to do with what I said? :?
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Short answer is 'yes.' Invasives often out compete endemics, alter habitats, and as a consequence result in negative effects on a number of other species as well.
Just because they don't understand makes it ok? So I can lock a retarded child in a room for their whole life because they don't understand it or care about it? I'm not putting my emotions into the animal... it survived its entire life form being a sling, through predation and natural selection, just so someone can come along and say "oh that pretty, me want!" That kind of thinking is a great example of human conceit. People would rather take them home than just observe them in their own environment. Don't insult my intelligence just because your opinion differs from mine, ok?
Yeah, but something could come along and eat it at any time. At least captivity is better than that, isn't it?
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I have to agree...at any point in time sometime could make a meal out of it rather then it being safe in someones collection who isnt going to just let it die..or some idiot walking by and just stepping on it because they dont like spiders...
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Sorry, but you're analogy is way off. An arachnid is still nowhere near the level of intelligence as that of a 'retarded' human being.
I don't believe in over collecting an animal from it's NATURAL habitat, but as it has been said more than a few times, these are invasive to south Florida: they are not a native species. Additionally, providing it a safe home in a climate controlled vivarium gives the tarantula increased longevity. They rarely travel very far from their burrows in the wild, so putting them in a 10 gallon set up gives sufficient space. As a matter of fact they spend most of their lives in the burrow.
A quick question that I doubt anyone can fully answer: what kind of eco damage does a non native (invasive) species inflict? I imagine that it depends largely on the species in question as much as the location and it's native life forms. I doubt that a Tarantula causes the same level of damage in south Flroida as does the 'pet' pythons that folks are letting loose. -Just curious.
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BlackCat - How do you feel about collecting burmese pythons from the Everglades? Iguanas? How about brown widows?
They don't belong here either.
Just curious-not trying to start anything.
They don't belong here either.
Just curious-not trying to start anything.
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Short answer: Yes. They're called mental health institutions. Now your next response is probably going to be something like, "But people in mental health institutions need it for their own sake/safety, etc. and they will at least be given things to stimulate them and yaddayaddayadda..." My response to that is that hile I may not know the person who caught the T or what the setup is like for the T normally - I would put money on it being in a much safer place now and, from what I've seen from mainly lurking and reading threads, it is probably being supplied with very good housing and an ample setup.
You do realize the state of florida has tried pesticides to kill off this colony in the past don't you. Right now they seem to be focusing on pythons and other more damaging species, but at any given time they could decide to go back to attempting to kill off this 'invasive species'. So you think they'd be better off in that kind of enviroment?
Especially when some polictician decides they need to show some quick results in the battle against invasive species.