Enclosure too large?

[Finikan]

Try this as an example

 

[Smotzer]

The airflow is not the issue. The issue is Aviculariinae tend to web near the top in many (not all) situations. Therefore, a top opening enclosure would be detrimental by constantly ripping the webbing and disturbing the specimen.

Thus in my (and many others on this forum) opinion it is better to utilize an enclosure that has a side opening entrance, wherein the inhabitant can web the top (properly foliage filled) area with minimal disturbace.

They do tend to web near the top but destroying a bit of webbbing is not actually much of a problem or detrimental to them (it doesn't cause them stress) and I have found that they will precisely stop webbing to the lid surface and then the previous problem is moot. @cold blood also keep Avics in tubs that are top opening with no problem.

i have also found if you don’t place the fake foliage right up top next to the lid and rather place it a bit lower down but still in the upper 30% sometimes they won’t ever even web the top.

Aviculariinae Juvenile Setup

• Smotzer
• Feb 13, 2022
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Set up for a Caribena versicolor

Aviculariinae Juvenile Setup

• Smotzer
• Feb 13, 2022
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• arboreal arboreals setup avicularia avicularia avicularia caribena caribena versicolor enclosure set-up

Set up for a Caribena versicolor

enclosures such as these have been perfectly Suitable and do not cause any detriment to any arboreal.

 

[Finikan]

Really surprised about the hate for utzs cheesey poofs. I love them.

 

[greeneyedelle]

I was scared it would be too stagnant in there. Is that too much?

Definitely no such thing as too much airflow in my opinion, it just means substrate is going to dry out faster, so be conscious of the water and moisture in there. It’s great that you care so much!

 

[lydia24]

Definitely no such thing as too much airflow in my opinion, it just means substrate is going to dry out faster, so be conscious of the water and moisture in there. It’s great that you care so much!

Thank you so much!! It’s definitely a learning curve but I appreciate all of y’all’s help!

Really surprised about the hate for utzs cheesey poofs. I love them.

Me too, they’re so good

 

[fcat]

I don’t mind not being able to see her. If I have any issues I will definitely change the enclosure. I just heard so much about how much airflow they needed and I didn’t want to take chances

Look at you making sacrifices for the benefit of your T. I could squeeze you. I am so glad you found this place

 

[lydia24]

Look at you making sacrifices for the benefit of your T. I could squeeze you. I am so glad you found this place

Thank you so much 🥹 that means a lot. I’m trying to do my best for her!!

 

[cold blood]

@cold blood @viper69
You both have raised countless Avics. Have you had more success with top opening enclosures or side?

yeah, I have raised and bred more avics than I could count...I have never once kept a single one in anything but a top opening enclosure...its all i use...there is no downside to it, its just personal preference.

Now there is a downside to the enclosure in question, but that is because the top is restrictive because its smaller than the rest of the enclosure...this makes everything a pain, especially re housing...but its not the end of the world, and it certainly doesnt mean it cant work as an enclosure....I currently have one in such an enclosure myself, so its not something I would be concerned about.

is it detrimental to have that many holes?

It can be....the enclosure will dry out very easily...I personally would never use such an over-ventilated enclosure for any t. People get too worried about venting, when its really just as simple as providing adequate airflow....a few circles of well-placed holes are all thats needed....a ring at the bottom and another at the top does a fine job....as air rises out the top, its drawn in at the bottom, creating airflow...dont over-think ventilation.

More is bettah

not really

Really surprised about the hate for utzs cheesey poofs. I love them.

they're gross....JMO though...lol

 

[lydia24]

yeah, I have raised and bred more avics than I could count...I have never once kept a single one in anything but a top opening enclosure...its alll i use...there is no downside to it, its just personal preference.

Now there is a downside to the enclosure in question, but that is because the top is restrictive because its smaller than the rest of the enclosure...this makes everything a pain, especially re housing...but its not the end of the world, and it certainly doesnt mean it cant work as an enclosure....I currently have one in such an enclosure myself, so its not something I would be concerned about.
It can be....the enclosure will dry out very easily...I personally would never use such an over-ventilated enclosure for any t. People get too worried about venting, when its really just as simple as providing adequate airflow....a few circles of well-placed holes are all thats needed....a ring at the bottom and another at the top does a fine job....as air rises out the top, its drawn in at the bottom, creating airflow...dont over-think ventilation.
not really

they're gross....JMO though...lol

Thank you so much for all of the information! I won’t add so many holes in the future, but it shouldn’t be too big of an issue as I have a jumping spider I mist daily anyway, so I can go ahead and mist hers often as well. Thank you for the tips!!

 

[Finikan]

@cold blood

Well, not always. Im surprised people didnt notice this spider cant even get a good footing, but rather they hopped on the hate for top opening enclosures. Usually, my rule of thumb is, if you think you have enough, add a Few more.

P.s. Utzs cheesey poofs are great currency for training big dogs. I dont eat them. Way too much salt for me ! They do serve a purpose though and if i didnt have teeth.....

 

[lydia24]

@cold blood

Well, not always. Im surprised people didnt notice this spider cant even get a good footing, but rather they hopped on the hate for top opening enclosures. Usually, my rule of thumb is, if you think you have enough, add a Few more.

P.s. Utzs cheesey poofs are great currency for training big dogs. I dont eat them. Way too much salt for me ! They do serve a purpose though and if i didnt have teeth.....

What do you mean can’t get a good footing?

 

[viper69]

I read it already and learned a lot! My biggest learning curve is the ventilation I think haha

You can’t put too much per se, but you can have too few holes. I’ve always done a bit more to be safe

 

[Finikan]

What do you mean can’t get a good footing?

Hard to dodge all the holes. I wouldnt walk on a waffle with holes my foot could fit through if i could be on solid ground instead. I cant speak for spiders though.

 

[Mike Withrow]

Sorry but since when is a top opening enclosure, that can be ventilated, a problem in keeping Aviculariinae? It definitely is not, I have kept all life stages over various times in top opening enclosures. As long as you can add ventilation so that air moves from down low up and out then it is absolutely fine.

The main issue is actually their webbing which was what was pointed out point blank with top opening enclosures.
How you went into ventilation and what has lost me.
Allow me to please demonstrate what happens with this set-up. Top opening only. She's in pre molt no doubt but I'm still going to have to destroy all her work to get her properly rehoused after. She's an young adult female.

This is how you screw up. To be frank.

 

[Finikan]

She'll do more work. What else does she have to do?

Also, as previously said by @Smotzer and i both, leave a little free space at the top and they likely won't web to the very very top.

 

[Smotzer]

This is how you screw up. To be frank.

Not it’s not, you just set it up in a way that the only major webbing points were the top of the enclosure. I use top opening enclosures all the time like @cold blood does and have never had an issue with them.

Look here this is the same top opening enclosure I posted before earlier, and this gal hasn’t webbed on the lid….! It was set up in a way as to have other places to attach webbing

 

[Mike Withrow]

Not it’s not, you just set it up in a way that the only major webbing points were the top of the enclosure. I use top opening enclosures all the time like @cold blood does and have never had an issue with them.

Look here this is the same top opening enclosure I posted before earlier, and this gal hasn’t webbed on the lid….! It was set up in a way as to have other places to attach webbing View attachment 462046

I'm just providing a view of what might happen if you go about it wrong I should say.
I'd also like to mention that my spider has been in this enclosure since February of this year. She always has just used her cork bark and webbed it up and has motled once in that enclosure. She just done this recently,and I'm guessing she getting ready to molt again.

I know it doesn't hurt to have to break her webbing it just sucks to ruin her work. She's already been refusing food for a while now. At least I can still pour water through for her.