Differences between A. Purpurea and A. sp. Peru Purple

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I was wondering if there were any major differences between the two? I was looking into getting an A. Purpurea but then I saw the Peru Purple and couldn't decide which I wanted to get. Is there a big size difference? Is one more purple or more vibrant than the other? What about temperament and feeding behaviors? Anything anyone can let me know would be great. Thanks!
 

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Under normal lighting ssp. Peru Purple isn’t terribly purple. The genuine A. purpurea has a bunch more uniform color with more prominently purple legs. Side by side there would be no mistaking the two.
 

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This isn’t like set in stone or anything but a lot of people have complained that their A. purpurea have more difficulty than other avics getting past the sling stage. A good amount tend to die for no apparent reason. Additionally, the purpurea is a smaller avic and apparently a slower grower, so if you’re inexperienced or just don’t wanna take the risk then I’d definitely say go for the sp. peru purple (which I believe is Avicularia jurensis M2)
 

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Under normal lighting ssp. Peru Purple isn’t terribly purple. The genuine A. purpurea has a bunch more uniform color with more prominently purple legs. Side by side there would be no mistaking the two.
I'm definitely trying to go for that "cant miss the purp" T lol and I dont really have great lighting to shine on them besides my phone flash so I might be looking more into the purpurea.

This isn’t like set in stone or anything but a lot of people have complained that their A. purpurea have more difficulty than other avics getting past the sling stage. A good amount tend to die for no apparent reason. Additionally, the purpurea is a smaller avic and apparently a slower grower, so if you’re inexperienced or just don’t wanna take the risk then I’d definitely say go for the sp. peru purple (which I believe is Avicularia jurensis M2)
It'll be my second T and my first arboreal so that definitely has a factor in this. I'd be willing to put in the work even if it doesn't pay off and mine dies randomly but do you think someone with my experience could do it? I do have some patience with growing (I have a g. pulchra), and I can't really tell yet if I like bigger or smaller tarantulas so I'd be okay with either for now.
 

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I'm definitely trying to go for that "cant miss the purp" T lol and I dont really have great lighting to shine on them besides my phone flash so I might be looking more into the purpurea.


It'll be my second T and my first arboreal so that definitely has a factor in this. I'd be willing to put in the work even if it doesn't pay off and mine dies randomly but do you think someone with my experience could do it? I do have some patience with growing (I have a g. pulchra), and I can't really tell yet if I like bigger or smaller tarantulas so I'd be okay with either for now.
It’s not really a matter of can you do it more so that even with the commonly accepted avic care that most experienced keepers here endorse there still appears to be a greater than normal chance that this species will just die. Speaking of avic care, I’ll link you viper’s avic guide in just a sec it’ll give you the rundown for what you need to know
https://arachnoboards.com/threads/avicularia-husbandry.282549/
 

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I was wondering if there were any major differences between the two? I was looking into getting an A. Purpurea but then I saw the Peru Purple and couldn't decide which I wanted to get. Is there a big size difference? Is one more purple or more vibrant than the other? What about temperament and feeding behaviors? Anything anyone can let me know would be great. Thanks!
these 2 species literally are polar opposites in the avic world.

Purpurea is one of the smaller species, maxing at around 4". Its also one of the very slowest growing avics, making slings one of the more delicate species around. They also more reclusive, and have an appetite I would describe as average, at best.

juronesis mt #2 on the other hand, is one of the larger Avic species, with adult females approaching 7". They grow fairly quick and have great appetites. Adults, IMO, are not reclusive in the least (confidence comes with size).
Here are some pics of my adult females (6.5" each)











Under normal lighting ssp. Peru Purple isn’t terribly purple. The genuine A. purpurea has a bunch more uniform color with more prominently purple legs
I could not disagree more...purpurea looks black under the wrong light (or not enough) and IME it is the one that needs the proper lighting to see the purple.....juronesis mt 2 is actual purple in all lighting. And its a brighter purple. JMO
I will second the M2 of A juruensis. IMO a superior T to the purpurea
Yeah, I agree.
 

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a lot of people have complained that their A. purpurea have more difficulty than other avics getting past the sling stage. A good amount tend to die for no apparent reason
You sure it's not just "SADS," aka improper husbandry? I'm always skeptical when a lot of people claim deaths for no apparent reason - there's usually a reason.
 

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You sure it's not just "SADS," aka improper husbandry? I'm always skeptical when a lot of people claim deaths for no apparent reason - there's usually a reason.
From the threads I read (I’ll see if I can find some and link them) no one found any obvious husbandry mistakes that would lead to the death of the avic (all this assuming people are being truthful when describing their husbandry practices). It’s possible that this species might require different husbandry than what it commonly accepted for avics or that these are just conicidences
 

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You sure it's not just "SADS," aka improper husbandry? I'm always skeptical when a lot of people claim deaths for no apparent reason - there's usually a reason.
Here’s a few threads where their supposed fragility is mentioned. Again not saying this is a cold hard fact but I do think it might be worth experimenting with different husbandry for this species in particular, especially since this has happened to experienced keepers as well who are aware that SADS isn’t actually real

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/a-purpurae-sling-death-questions.343761/

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/avicularia-purpurea.333685/

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/avicularia-cf-purpurea-challenges.306282/

https://arachnoboards.com/threads/most-fragile-ts.321763/
 

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these 2 species literally are polar opposites in the avic world.

Purpurea is one of the smaller species, maxing at around 4". Its also one of the very slowest growing avics, making slings one of the more delicate species around. They also more reclusive, and have an appetite I would describe as average, at best.

joronesis mt #2 on the other hand, is one of the larger Avic species, with adult females approaching 7". They grow fairly quick and have great appetites. Adults, IMO, are not reclusive in the least (confidence comes with size).
Here are some pics of my adult females (6.5" each)













I could not disagree more...purpurea looks black under the wrong light (or not enough) and IME it is the one that needs the proper lighting to see the purple.....juronesis mt 2 is actual purple in all lighting. And its a brighter purple. JMO

Yeah, I agree.
Wow theyre beautiful! How are they with webbing? Do you notice them being any more fragile or do you do anything differently for them than you would other avics? When do their adult colors start coming in? I know google is right there but I'd like to read it from first hand experience lol thanks for the info
 

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I could not disagree more...purpurea looks black under the wrong light (or not enough) and IME it is the one that needs the proper lighting to see the purple.....juronesis mt 2 is actual purple in all lighting. And its a brighter purple. JMO
To each their own; most of the sp. Peru Purples I’ve seen in person have appeared mostly brown to me; maybe I’ve just seen the wrong ones. You do sound like you’ve had more experience with both species so maybe I’ve just seen the wrong ones. Your pictures do make them look very attractive.
 

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To each their own; most of the sp. Peru Purples I’ve seen in person have appeared mostly brown to me; maybe I’ve just seen the wrong ones. You do sound like you’ve had more experience with both species so maybe I’ve just seen the wrong ones. Your pictures do make them look very attractive.
The Avic jurensis M1s are brown looking, that's probably what you saw
 

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Wow theyre beautiful! How are they with webbing? Do you notice them being any more fragile or do you do anything differently for them than you would other avics? When do their adult colors start coming in? I know google is right there but I'd like to read it from first hand experience lol thanks for the info
They are average webbers for avics...sometimes they web a lot, sometimes not at all. The care is no different from any avic. They are plenty hardy as long as they are kept properly...never gave me any problems at any stage in life.

When the colors first come, the purple doesn't pop, and they look similar to a brightly colored A. avic...but by 3.5" or so, they are usually nice and purple. I actually have a couple juvies...just dont have any good pics of them.

To each their own; most of the sp. Peru Purples I’ve seen in person have appeared mostly brown to me; maybe I’ve just seen the wrong ones. You do sound like you’ve had more experience with both species so maybe I’ve just seen the wrong ones. Your pictures do make them look very attractive.
I can say without question that you were not looking at properly identified species.....there is literally no point in their lives where they are even remotely brown....not even in heavy pre molt.
 

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I was wondering if there were any major differences between the two? I was looking into getting an A. Purpurea but then I saw the Peru Purple and couldn't decide which I wanted to get. Is there a big size difference? Is one more purple or more vibrant than the other? What about temperament and feeding behaviors? Anything anyone can let me know would be great. Thanks!
I’ve owned both. Pretty similar, people report slower growth with purpurea but I’ve never observed it in my experience. The best eaters are Versicolor.

I'm definitely trying to go for that "cant miss the purp" T lol and I dont really have great lighting to shine on them besides my phone flash so I might be looking more into the purpurea.


It'll be my second T and my first arboreal so that definitely has a factor in this. I'd be willing to put in the work even if it doesn't pay off and mine dies randomly but do you think someone with my experience could do it? I do have some patience with growing (I have a g. pulchra), and I can't really tell yet if I like bigger or smaller tarantulas so I'd be okay with either for now.
Purpurea- generally appear black with a purple sheen. They don’t stand out as purple until you put a light on them. It’s just like geroldi.
 

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The Avic jurensis M1s are brown looking, that's probably what you saw
In fairness I could be colorblind too 😅

I do think black with a purple sheen is a fair way to describe purpurea; that’s what I meant by more uniform. It’s also generally what I personally prefer.

OT - if I block you don’t take it personally. Your avatar has been giving me nightmares for 30 years 😨
 

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After sleeping on it, I think I'm leaning towards juruensis m2. I have a couple more questions if you guys don't mind :happy: How frequently do they molt? Or does that just generally depend on the T/specimen and how you keep it? They catch flying insects mid air right? I have other critters that eat flying insects too so would it be a good idea to grow moths or some other flying bugs as a food source? If so, any recommendations on what might be best for them?

I’ve owned both. Pretty similar, people report slower growth with purpurea but I’ve never observed it in my experience. The best eaters are Versicolor.



Purpurea- generally appear black with a purple sheen. They don’t stand out as purple until you put a light on them. It’s just like geroldi.
I was also looking into getting a versicolor! Do you think its a good idea to get one as a third tarantula, coming from a G. pulchra and soon to be owned juruensis? It would be between that, a GBB, or C. elegans. Or even going OW because I'm definitely eventually getting H. pulchripes, an OBT, and C. marshalli.

They are average webbers for avics...sometimes they web a lot, sometimes not at all. The care is no different from any avic. They are plenty hardy as long as they are kept properly...never gave me any problems at any stage in life.

When the colors first come, the purple doesn't pop, and they look similar to a brightly colored A. avic...but by 3.5" or so, they are usually nice and purple. I actually have a couple juvies...just dont have any good pics of them.


I can say without question that you were not looking at properly identified species.....there is literally no point in their lives where they are even remotely brown....not even in heavy pre molt.
How long did it take for yours to get to about that size? Do their colors or patterns change with each molt or is it a gradual process? And is it a big size difference from molt to molt or is it more subtle?
 

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After sleeping on it, I think I'm leaning towards juruensis m2. I have a couple more questions if you guys don't mind :happy: How frequently do they molt? Or does that just generally depend on the T/specimen and how you keep it? They catch flying insects mid air right? I have other critters that eat flying insects too so would it be a good idea to grow moths or some other flying bugs as a food source? If so, any recommendations on what might be best for them?


I was also looking into getting a versicolor! Do you think its a good idea to get one as a third tarantula, coming from a G. pulchra and soon to be owned juruensis? It would be between that, a GBB, or C. elegans. Or even going OW because I'm definitely eventually getting H. pulchripes, an OBT, and C. marshalli.


How long did it take for yours to get to about that size? Do their colors or patterns change with each molt or is it a gradual process? And is it a big size difference from molt to molt or is it more subtle?
ive had an avic jurensis sling since January and its yet to molt, right now its by far my slowest growing sling. I only own one though and it's entirely possible i have an outlier.

I'd suggest you get 3-7 spiders per order you do to offset the cost of shipping. spiders can be really expensive if half of your money is going to shipping costs everytime you order a new one.
 

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ive had an avic jurensis sling since January and its yet to molt, right now its by far my slowest growing sling. I only own one though and it's entirely possible i have an outlier.

I'd suggest you get 3-7 spiders per order you do to offset the cost of shipping. spiders can be really expensive if half of your money is going to shipping costs everytime you order a new one.
I'm used to slow growing lol my pulchra molted the day I got it about 3 months ago so I'm not expecting another molt for a while (even though I've heard as slings they molt more often). Getting multiple in one order makes more sense though I guess I've only been looking at one at a time because I wanted to fully focus and put my attention on one to make sure its taken care of, but everytime I'm about to checkout online, the shipping is literally half of what I'm paying for the spider :/ and I know I can handle more than one new T at a time so I guess I'm getting a few more now :lol: any suggestions from my wishlist so far?
 
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