B.cyaneifemur

[Kaloy017]

Hi there, i have a simple question:

- is Bonnetina sp. Chamela is the same with Bonnetina cyaneifemur? Thanks for the answers

 

[DaveM]

The lack of responses here means people don't know. Some say they are, but we won't know for sure until Bonnetina sp. Chamela gets described.
They look the same, and Chamela is not far from the mountains outside Manzanilla, where cyaneifemur was collected. Ortiz et al. 2018 did an impressive phylogenetic study to try to disentangle the genus a bit, but a specimen from Chamela was not used.
The issue is that several Bonnetina spp. may look nearly identical but differ only in microstructures on the reproductive organs. Speciation could be driven by reproductive isolation, with overt appearance maintained by convergent evolutionary pressure [see Ortiz et al 2018].
So, we don't know yet.

 

[Vanessa]

Every time I have mentioned my Bonnetina sp. Chamela, the response has been - it's cyaneifemur. However, those responses are not coming from taxonomists.
Could it be the same species and those who sold them named them differently to make it look like a brand new species? Maybe.
Is it really just another locale of cyaneifemur, but until sp. Chamela has been described we can't call it such with 100% certainty? Maybe.
Until anyone knows for sure, treat them as a different locale and don't breed them together.

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

Some say they are, but we won't know for sure until Bonnetina sp. Chamela gets described.

Is it really just another locale of cyaneifemur, but until sp. Chamela has been described we can't call it such with 100% certainty? Maybe

If the sp. "Chamela" really is B. cyaneifemur then there won't be another description for it. If a species is already known to science then there won't be a need to describe it again. If anyone out there has a Bonnetina sp. "Chamela" they can certainly key it out using the available descriptions to determine if it really is B. cyaneifemur. One would only need the input of a taxonomist, such as David Ortiz who did a revision of the genus, if one is not confident in their own ability to identify it or not confident in the ability of others.

So is Bonnetina sp. "Chamela" B. cyaneifemur? I don't know, but someone can send me an adult female and/ or male I will find out for you.

 

[su3cl3a8]

I recall a Chinese vendor mentioning the earlier imports that went into China were all labeled as sp chamela or cyaneifemur, and these could be indeed be cyaneifemur, but could also be papalutlensus or tanzeri, or something else. No one knows. I'm not sure if it's the same for the US hobby.

I do have a 3" female bought as cyaneifemur from Europe. By the looks of the spermathecae I'm doubtful if she's really a cyaneifemur though.

 

[Kaloy017]

I recall a Chinese vendor mentioning the earlier imports that went into China were all labeled as sp chamela or cyaneifemur, and these could be indeed be cyaneifemur, but could also be papalutlensus or tanzeri, or something else. No one knows. I'm not sure if it's the same for the US hobby.

I do have a 3" female bought as cyaneifemur from Europe. By the looks of the spermathecae I'm doubtful if she's really a cyaneifemur though. View attachment 357816

Do you have any pictures of her?

Here is my sub adult female

 

[Vanessa]

Here is one of my adult female Bonnetina sp. Chamela and her spermathecae.

Bonnetina sp. Chamela Adult Female - ~3.5"

• Vanessa
• Dec 1, 2019
• adult adult female bonnetina bonnetina cyaneifemur bonnetina sp. "chamela" female moult sp. "chamela"

Both my females moulted this week. Both measured 3.5". This is a smaller species that is...

My sub-adult female.

Bonnetina sp. Chamela Sub-Adult Female

• Vanessa
• Oct 19, 2019
• bonnetina bonnetina cyaneifemur bonnetina sp. "chamela" cyaneifemur female sp. "chamela" sub-adult subadult female

It's hard to get a photo of these guys - they are very skittish and head into their hides the...

And my mature male.

Bonnetina sp. Chamela (cyaneifemur) Mature Male

• Vanessa
• Dec 10, 2019
• 1
• bonnetina bonnetina cyaneifemur bonnetina sp. "chamela" cyaneifemur male mature mature male mexican blue femur tarantula moult sp. "chamela"

Freshly moulted

 

[su3cl3a8]

Do you have any pictures of her?

Here is my sub adult female

This is my female one week post molt. Apparently mine looks different from yours and @Vanessa 's. Now I don't know what I have lol.