What would you do? Death Curl. HELP!!!

[ccamaleon3000]

well you know what..im gonna refund the money but i wanna the animal back because sharpfang say that he was going to take a picture of the animal and he never did so send me my animal and you will have you money and that's not because people is pressure me because most of the people say that it die of old age and is not my fault so i working this out because i don't like dramas and please read and learn before you buying animals Juan Urbieta (Michigan Exotic's)



PS: don't treat people about that you have my office addresses and my businesses cell phone a lot people do have it and that's the ones i been deal whit it

 

[sharpfang]

Excuse, excuses, excuses...My wasted time will tell...

View attachment 81158 Here is the sellers Picture he would like!
He can obviouly see the others as well.......Not to mention this is not the correct format to defend himself........Future Review thread...........That you all know I am GONNA post...
This type of customer relations are why buyers & sellers alike have hesitation
and feel weary about trusting anything a CYBER person says/claims.............

I am very disappointed in how I was treated in this transaction. I would liked to have worked this out between the unreasonable seller.......WE ALL NO WHERE THAT WAS GOIN'-----------------------------------------------
I am a very generous and easy goin' individual......I will not give up on this forums members......I am honest and here to stay........And if anyone has anything to say to me or ask me - I am pleased to help in any way.

Thanx 4 everyones support-either way, I feel better about this because of.
But I doubt I'll actually fairly receive my money back. Karma will play it out.

 

[Redneck]

Wish you the best of luck on that Jason.. We all know where thats going to go..

 

[robc]

Spider is Officially DEAD!.........I am so mad! and also Appreciative that some members Care.......If he ws an honest Seller- he'd discuss workin' it out!......

I can't beleive I just got RIPPED OFF!!!!!!!

Hurts! I guess......I was so EXTRA nice to him........R.I.P. versi...

That sucks!!!!

 

[John Apple]

Juan I have delt with a few times and he has allways been up front and honest with me....very entertaining to talk to.....this might be a belated review but so what....Juan also speaks Englis good enough for an old army seargent like me to understand

 

[aracnophiliac]

Im so sorry to hear it, it is very sad. But I think its a part of Buying Tarantulas if you buy on line...I Have had a few rip offs as well..Now I have gotten more careful But cant say ohh it will never happen to me again All I can say Is I hope I dosent happen to me again. and Bite it when It does....I would be trying to get a refund But some dealers just are not as honest as other....Not everybody can be Tarantula Canada or Michigan Arachnids...LOL...I Really Hope things Start to go Better for you Jason. I wish you nothing but the best of luck in your breeding Projects

 

[sharpfang]

This isn't a thread for The seller to defend himself!

Nor is it a thread for John Apple to Comment on sellers name or interactions w/ him!
Thanx 4 butting in Johnny Appleseed! After you didn't hold for me the spiders we AGREED to trade for.....I was more then understanding!
I sent you PM stating-No hard feelings-and I still reffered customers to you 4 your ALBINO scorpions.....and relayed a message to a breeder who actually does WHAT the say.................You do NOT, NOR does the seller of this animal to me!
And left the frustrating feelings I had for you behind.........

It is starting to become clear to MANY, WHO 2 TRUST in this HOBBY.
And WHO not to!

 

[John Apple]

well there tiny dancer...my name is John Apple not what ever nick name you have coined for me in many pm's and here on the boards...oh but you stated you were joking...with my name don't ya think I have heard every doofus say something they have deemed as smart or shall we say 'witty'. ......yeah I know giggles that was my first flag
I also have to look at our transaction with a bitter note we NEVER agreed and when we did it was definately not for some chromatus and the goliath....first ya wanted two then all three.....fact of the matter I would have sent ya all three [like I said I would] iIF[big iff here] you had something else to offer....a pulchra sling and a 'couple' chromatus was not a deal done by any standards.....I never agreed to that....in your exuberant zeel I am sure you thought so...second flag. Rremember assumptions are the termites of business
No body ever has called me or said anything about the albino scorps except for the folks that have initially done so... your help is not needed.
You.. young man...are looking to breed fast and make a buck [per our verbal conversations] and I will be the first to tell you ....this is not the way to do it
I was posting because it is something I felt I had to do, I know Juan well and he is a wealth of knowledge on avics and has tought me a lot...I can see you prodding him to send the male anyway even though he stated it was old
I am from Michigan ...just look at my reviews...they are all good as are John Morris [tangledwwweb]and Bryan Olerich [miarachnids] also from Michigan
On a side note I sent out 1.2 and 0.3 nice large versis to a happy easy to deal with customer.
oh yeah
Have A Nice Day;P

 

[sharpfang]

Interesting business tactics in MICHIGAN.

If I remember correctly, you are the one who contacted me, about trading for my spider.

If anyone is "wishy-washy" as you say, it was you. You are the one who told me "Alright then, I'll set aside these 3 spiders in my Boiler-room." Next morning I go to look on the forum, and you have posted the spiders we talked about hours earlier for SALE!

I might be new to this forum and eager because I am starting my own business-But I am also learning some HARSH lessons from doing Business
with some guys from MICHIGAN-I am not new to working with Tarantulas
Just new to Dealing with people I don't know over the Internet-And dealing
with people like YOU.

Furthermore, THIS is not the correct FORMAT for you to defend a seller who has blatently ripped me off. Curiously a contact of yours. I never pressured the seller to sell me a dying spider. Nor have I mentioned this rip-off artists name in this Thread.........Interestingly ONLY him and yourself.

 

[MissChelly]

Maybe he can SPEAK English, but he certainly can't type it well... ahem. That probably sounded mean, but it's true. I had a lot of trouble understanding what he typed. o_o

I still don't get his excuse for why the shipping was wrong, but that could've been due to the crazy amount of run-on that was going on in that post to be honest. :wall:

Sharpfang: On the bright side, it's a lesson learned, right? Be very cautious who you buy from. Not really even just with spiders, but in general. It just really sucks when you have to learn the hard way like this, sorry it had to end up like that for you. Though through your open honesty, other people can be aware, so big thanks for that. I agree full heartedly with WARPIG, he owes you a fulllll refund!

 

[sharpfang]

You Know What Really Sucks Everyone?

That when shady sellers rip-off Hobbyists, It makes Everyone WEARY about buyin' from Cyber people they don't yet know........................................

When anyone get's taken, and IF the seller does not try to "Work it Out"
Then I feel that we should all SCREAM at the top of our lungs and tell Everyone about it!.......................Same loudness should go to GREAT deals from reputable sellers who have fair, moral and ethical business backgrounds....................................................................................

This does effect us ALL! Think about it Everyone, Please...

 

[ccamaleon3000]

MissChelly: 1 that's why is the pictures of the pm's
2 is not where he is buying from is if he read and learn about what he is getting in to when you buy a Mature Male especially when The buyer was well aware of the age of the animal a guy that is bad for the hobby don't refund money or try to work thinks out

sharpfang: you say im a rip off? ... mmm... if i recall and you can see in you pm and in the picture i told you that i was going to pay the 25 dollars back for the shipment that USPS make the mistake and yes you right you should SCREAM for you rights but like i told you he was 2 months 1/2 old you try to take the male 50/50 and make big money and like john say is not the way

PS:reputable sellers who have fair, moral and ethical business backgrounds lol yea it look you really know me you have 2 months old in this hobby how possible you know my reputation? Please Think about it Wink

 

[John Apple]

If I remember correctly, you are the one who contacted me, about trading for my spider.

If anyone is "wishy-washy" as you say, it was you. You are the one who told me "Alright then, I'll set aside these 3 spiders in my Boiler-room." Next morning I go to look on the forum, and you have posted the spiders we talked about hours earlier for SALE!

I might be new to this forum and eager because I am starting my own business-But I am also learning some HARSH lessons from doing Business
with some guys from MICHIGAN-I am not new to working with Tarantulas
Just new to Dealing with people I don't know over the Internet-And dealing
with people like YOU.

Furthermore, THIS is not the correct FORMAT for you to defend a seller who has blatently ripped me off. Curiously a contact of yours. I never pressured the seller to sell me a dying spider. Nor have I mentioned this rip-off artists name in this Thread.........Interestingly ONLY him and yourself.

Ok in order
yes I contacted you
Yes I posted the spiders for sale again ...for the simple fact you wanted more for less and tried offering me some chromatus you MIGHT be getting in
and I sold 1.2 and 0.3 of the versis so I had more to accomodate you if you had more than just the chromatis {which I said I don't need] In that conversation you offered them more than twice and I rebutted that each time. Kinda makes me wonder if I would have gotten them anyhow:?
\yes you learned some harsh lessons...from me the lesson is do not be indifferent in what you are offering or some honest seller or trader[ me] might go elsewhere to me that is a flag
yes this is not the correct format nor is it the correct format for you to start a post, the board does have a member review or ...oh...I understand in your zeel you overlooked it
To call me a rip off artist is totally a contradiction with my reviews, yes Juan is a contact of mine or someone I know...never done me wrong.
I also find it curious that because I would not deal with you [yes after I initiated the trade] you are having sour grapes because of YOUR own actions....number one your a name dropper...{ how many times did you say to me you and james are good friends, been over to his house blah blah blah] number two you are not a listener, but a talker...red flag...
number three...the calling of a respected verter your own brand of nicknames and verses...disrespectful man...even if you apologised in the same sentence it matters not the deed is done... red flag
I am done here...But I will say if you were wronged then you should be refunded.

 

[jayefbe]

Juan - According to this
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=163155

He was only 2 months old at the time of death. Also, you said you took the price down from 100 to 80 specifically for SharpFangs (oh what a deal he got, a dead T for only $80), when you had ALREADY dropped the price in this ad. Don't pretend like you were being a nice guy. You were just trying to get rid of a dying T.

Also, you're complaining about him trying to get the male for a 50/50 when you had it ADVERTISED AS A 50/50!

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=164678

 

[sharpfang]

Well, the Spider is still dead.

And All I can do is just laugh about it at this point...

I will certainly be, much, much more careful, Who I send my money to.

And unfortunately, a slightly higher sense of wearyness, when sending someone that I don't know, a ways from where I live, My money or Spiders.

Good thing I have mostly met Trusting and honorable Hobbyists, So far as Re-Entering the Tarantula hobby.

Thanx for everyones support...

The answer to "What would you do, Death Curl" The Only thing I can

And that is I have the Right and Privaledge to Post A Review
on this seller{Even though he and his buddy have allready tried to}.
And It will be an honest and concise description of my Unfortunate purchase.
Oh - And it will be Un-Interupted from Outside discussion..........................

See Ya there Everyone...LOL

 

[ccamaleon3000]

yeap quote(Juan - According to this
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=163155
He was only 2 months old at the time of death.)
that one were sold to a guy from Ohio in the Taylor reptile show you can ask Bryan, john P Morris and John apple they were witness of the sale i told sharpfan how old was the male truly when i offer my male was 2 months 1/2 old
and i never say i took the price down specifically for SharpFangs i told him that no one wanna buy it i never say because im a good guy im not going to drop the price for no one This is my businesses until some one buy a large amount of T's and i know if the male die 4 days from the day that he got it he can still used. do you think i been crying for all the wc import and slings i been buy that they die on my care days after? im not complaining that he was going to do 50/50 i just say that he wanna make a buck from the animal, we all do keep it real. and i tho he have a female for the MM.

and for the record i have more that 200 tarantulas. when i get sling's i buy from 10 to 20 and this versicolor's have it for 3 years and i got them from M.C. exotic's and you can ask any dealer or breeder all ways buy in mass so there were no the only males i have and im done in this post i just wanna say if some one buy T's do a research and learn about them don't try to get them to make a fast money and a person that wanna breed and tell me that's because the hobby he is lying

 

[micheldied]

yeap quote(Juan - According to this
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=163155
He was only 2 months old at the time of death.)
that one were sold to a guy from Ohio in the Taylor reptile show you can ask Bryan, john P Morris and John apple they were witness of the sale i told sharpfan how old was the male truly when i offer my male was 2 months 1/2 old
and i never say i took the price down specifically for SharpFangs i told him that no one wanna buy it i never say because im a good guy im not going to drop the price for no one This is my businesses until some one buy a large amount of T's and i know if the male die 4 days from the day that he got it he can still used. do you think i been crying for all the wc import and slings i been buy that they die on my care days after? im not complaining that he was going to do 50/50 i just say that he wanna make a buck from the animal, we all do keep it real. and i tho he have a female for the MM.

and for the record i have more that 200 tarantulas. when i get sling's i buy from 10 to 20 and this versicolor's have it for 3 years and i got them from M.C. exotic's and you can ask any dealer or breeder all ways buy in mass so there were no the only males i have and im done in this post i just wanna say if some one buy T's do a research and learn about them don't try to get them to make a fast money and a person that wanna breed and tell me that's because the hobby he is lying

im sorry to say,but i really had a hard time understanding everything you said.
i dont think he is trying to make a quick buck,but rather you my friend.

 

[evicton]

yeap quote(Juan - According to this
http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=163155
He was only 2 months old at the time of death.)
that one were sold to a guy from Ohio in the Taylor reptile show you can ask Bryan, john P Morris and John apple they were witness of the sale i told sharpfan how old was the male truly when i offer my male was 2 months 1/2 old
and i never say i took the price down specifically for SharpFangs i told him that no one wanna buy it i never say because im a good guy im not going to drop the price for no one This is my businesses until some one buy a large amount of T's and i know if the male die 4 days from the day that he got it he can still used. do you think i been crying for all the wc import and slings i been buy that they die on my care days after? im not complaining that he was going to do 50/50 i just say that he wanna make a buck from the animal, we all do keep it real. and i tho he have a female for the MM.

and for the record i have more that 200 tarantulas. when i get sling's i buy from 10 to 20 and this versicolor's have it for 3 years and i got them from M.C. exotic's and you can ask any dealer or breeder all ways buy in mass so there were no the only males i have and im done in this post i just wanna say if some one buy T's do a research and learn about them don't try to get them to make a fast money and a person that wanna breed and tell me that's because the hobby he is lying

http://hktiols.ytmnd.com/

 

[KJE]

I know this thread is almost done, but I have to chime in on something.

First, if you guys would try to understand what ccamaleon3000 is saying it's not that difficult.

Second, a 2 1/2 month old MM A. versicolor isn't that old. I've had avics live for over a year post-molt...and still making sperm webs. Personally, I can't figure out why the age of the male is in question here.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[jayefbe]

I know this thread is almost done, but I have to chime in on something.

First, if you guys would try to understand what ccamaleon3000 is saying it's not that difficult.

Second, a 2 1/2 month old MM A. versicolor isn't that old. I've had avics live for over a year post-molt...and still making sperm webs. Personally, I can't figure out why the age of the male is in question here.

Just my 2 cents.

This is why the age is in question here: Sharpfang purchases a MM, it dies within a few days, and Juan's excuse is that everyone knows that MMs don't live very long. He is the one that brought up the age of the male, like it somehow absolved him of the fact that 1) He told the buyer he was going to ship express, and 2) the male curled up and died a couple days after arriving.

Juan, are you kidding me? First off, I DID see you crying about your purchase. Remember the UrbanJungles debacle? You threw a giant hissy fit which was totally undeserved. Second, we all know the risks that come with buying slings. That's a big reason why a versi sling is 15 bucks while an adult is 100. Some slings die, some slings live. Yes, mature males die, but if you're selling a mature male it should be in good enough condition to at least attempt a breeding.