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What is the most Rare Tarantula in Captivity or available in the Hobby??

Discussion in 'Tarantula Chat' started by Arachnoholic420, Mar 1, 2010.

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    Funny... too funny... no my challenge is not to accumulate all of these controversial animals. I already have too many tiger bones and rhino horns. Give me a break. You can't possibly think that we're better off to not have them at all on earth than to maintain a responsible captive breeding population. Here in Canada as I said earlier there were 20 CB individuals imported. All 20 are referenced and will likely be bred as well. It's not a great solution but it's a temporary one. Until legislation will protect these species nothing else will. More over, the red list specifically says their numbers are dwindling due to habitat fragmentation more so than the animal trade.

    For those interested below is a link to the island in question:
    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...1564,79.316483&spn=0.262614,0.444603&t=h&z=12

    Below is a link to the Redlist write up on them.
    http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/63562/0

    By the way, I don't even have one... The question wasn't what is right or wrong, it was what is the most rare.
     
  2. Because the topic was bastardized from what is rare to what is right or wrong. Nothing more nothing less.
     
  3. Exo

    Exo Arachnoprince

    They will go extinct whether we buy them or not due to habitat loss, do you suggest that we let them completely disappear from existance due to moral principle?

    BTW, the human race cares about nothing but profit, that's just the way it is and there's no way around it. If that bothers you so much then maybe you should tell the land developers to stop[ cutting down Pokie habitat in the first place.
     
  4. I Disagree w/ your Rationel......But, Don't need 2 Insult You! U could Use a "Warning" in my Opinion :rolleyes:
    PERFECTLY PUT!!!!!!!!!! ;)
    Way 2 Pass the "Bucko" ....... U are looking for Trophy T's as Status Symbal,
    I feel.....I would like 2 Have All these RARE Pokies also.....But, I don't "PRETEND" to be saving an Extintion from Occuring....I FEEL bad about the Armored Chameleon group, that were Taken out of Madagascar 4 me...:(
    I did Nothing righteuos or NOBLE in attaining them and Breeding them....I essentially - Gave-them-Away 2 someone dedicated w/ species in Captivity...
    However, my role in them bein' taken from Home - Is never gonna change.
    Good Q: Natebugman, good question......comment appreciated :clap: and noticed.
    - Jason J. Brown
     
  5. You obviously don't get it, there is no advocating for these Ts as 'trophies'. They are rare in the trade and that's all that is being argued. Somehow it was distorted into whats right or wrong by Jayfe-something or another... As for me deserving a warning, what for, are you serious? I'm not trying to play the superman of species preservation. I just think it would be rediculously stupid to just say, 'nah, they extinct in the wild, guess they shouldn't be in captivity either... Your response did nothing for this thread. Please don't respond.
     
  6. GiantVinegaroon

    GiantVinegaroon Arachnoprince

    I'd be curious to hear about all these people who have P. metallica, because currently it seems the number of people on this board who own the species can be counted on one hand!
     
  7. you're not being serious are you? They are everywhere... The expo I went to this weekend there were probably 5 or more in a communal setup each for purchase. If you want to pony up $200 for slings or $700 for MF, you'll have plenty waiting for you at your door.
     
  8. I'll take your Future comments w/ grains of.....

    Salt & Pepper then :rolleyes: - Jason
     
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2010
  9. Fantastic, nice talk. By the way I am American also.
     
  10. Exo

    Exo Arachnoprince

    That's only because it is hard for many people to justify spending 200 bucks or more on a sling.
     
  11. I very much agree with it... I can't spend that much. But also cost not being a direct factor in rarity it certainly plays a role. They much more rare than say a G. rosea, B. vagans, or L. parahybana. Really the more I think about it rarity really means nothing considering there are still MANY undescribed species.
     
  12. AzJohn

    AzJohn Arachnoking Old Timer

    okay here goes.

    We really need to remember that species in the wild are not the same as species in captivity. A species born and bred in captivity has a purpose. That is to be sold, traded, or kept by hobbiest. They really have little to do with populations in the wild. The main threat to wild populations is not over collecting but habitat lose. If you are worried about over collection buy CB babies. That's what I do as much as possible.

    Really, owning a rare CB species is not really going to hurt the wild population. So lets not get upset at people keeing "trophy pets" because they wish to make financial gains or just keep it for show. Without financial gains many species would be lost to the hobby. If it's just for show, good for them. While keeping inverts with no intention to breed does hurt the hobby in my opinion, it really has little to do with wild populations.


    John
     
  13. jayefbe

    jayefbe Arachnoprince Old Timer

    I agree completely with your post. Most species can withstand some collection, and if limiting yourself to buying CB, there should be no detrimental impact to wild populations. However, I don't find that to be the case with P. hanumavilasumica. Smuggling of the species has occurred to the point that Indian authorities condemn the exotic pet trade. That's a noticeable impact. The species is so thoroughly endangered that any collecting is going to have a significant impact. I have no problem with keeping species in captivity, and if one happens to go extinct then it is better to have some in captivity than not. But if building CB groups comes at the expense of hastening the demise of the wild populations (such as is the case with P. hanumavilasumica), than that's a price I will never be willing to pay. The irony is even further pronounced when people claim they are helping the species, and then buy a single sling. If anything, given their rarity and imminent demise, slings should be kept together to maximize their chances at breeding. But no, they are going into the hands of whoever happens to have a couple hundred bucks, regardless of their experience keeping or breeding Poecilotheria.
     
  14. Please don't take this as an argument because I'm not trying to, but here as described by the redlist is their reasoning for their threat.

    Threats [top]
    Major Threat(s): Loss of plantations due to developmental activities, small size of the habitat fragments, small population size, persecution and fragmentation are major threats. Due to increased tourism, in the course of a single year (2006) two plantations were razed of which one was observed to have at least 70 individuals. All the spiders were killed by the loggers while razing the plantation. Due to their skewed sex ratio, and the difference in maturity rates between males and females, small populations with less than 5,000 individuals have a very high probability of extinction within the next three to four decades (S. Molur and B.A. Daniel, pers. comm. from running a simulation model (Vortex)). Although not found extensively in pet trade, a few adult males and females along with subadults and juveniles were taken out of the country.

    I know very little of these guys being in the pet trade but surely those who have made their way through and will remain there, should be utilized to their fullest ability.
     
  15. GiantVinegaroon

    GiantVinegaroon Arachnoprince

    I'm not you. I have never seen a P. metallica, neither a sling nor adult, for sale. Not on this site, not on other sites, and not at expos.

    I apologize for getting a little off subject in this thread.
     
  16. natebugman

    natebugman Arachnoknight Old Timer

    Scotty, you are alot closer to the subject of this thread than most of the other posters...lol.
     
  17. Zoltan

    Zoltan Cult Leader

    Perhaps you didn't look hard enough?

    http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?p=1597803
    http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?p=1595377
    http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?p=1591330

    tarantulas.com also sold P. metallica in the past, check: http://www.tarantulas.com/for_sale.html
     
  18. Most Rare? The ones we Don't know About

    Also Psalmopoeus Langenbucheri.......Can't seem 2 find one in U.S.A. :(

    No need 2 appologize 2 anyone in this thread. I will sell ya a Sling, P. Met 1/2 off Market Price. Just PM me ;)

    I guess I got Off-Topic as well :rolleyes:........Just Don't like 2 see the Insults though, Unnescessary.
    Have a Good Day Yall - Jason :D
     
  19. Endagr8

    Endagr8 Arachnoangel

    Leave if you don't like it. This is a good, civil debate.
    I think that Goterps has at least one of these. A few others may also have this species.
     
  20. dopamine

    dopamine Arachnobaron

    G. pulchra! Right?
     
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