What do you guys think about the Brave Wilderness S. Heros bite?

xenesthis

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His wandering spider video is also incorrect. It's not even a Phoneutria sp. All of his info in the video is crap.
 

NYAN

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Well, Cupiennius sp. are commonly called wandering spiders - He's getting away with it on a technicality :rolleyes:
He actually correctly identified it in the video. He called it dangerous for no reason. What a butterball..
 

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Personally I took a bite from a Vietnamese centipede once and shortly after I didn’t want to be on this earth.
Was that the "socialised" one? I presume not, seeing as that one is a Malaysian, not a Vietnamese.

on a scale of one to ten how would you rate the pain. i rated my rubripes bite a 10/10!
Probably 7, but you have to bear in mind that it was a pretty small one (11-12cm body-length) and it probably wasn't a full envenomation, as the pede wasn't particularly pissed.
 

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Well in my opinion you guys may think that Coyote Peterson is an nitwit but I am here to tell you the opposite. I’ve actually learned interesting things from him and I do not think he was putting on a show. He basically had to go to the hospital after the bite and he was in such pain it’s not funny! No offence but I absolutely disagree with the theory that you lot think he’s some kind of moron but I think he’s fantastic. He gets paid to be bitten by creatures!!!!!!
 

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That guy's such a wanker. I can't stand his videos and the sensationalist BS it espouses, along with incorrect IDs. I admit I don't have much experience with centipede venom, but I'm going to assume he hammed it up for more views.
I actually severely disagree with you. Please don’t take it personally but I did actually learn some lessons from him and he did it to warn us all to keep alert and not annoy or handle large centipedes otherwise that is what happens! I’m telling you, my ethmostigmus rubripes is obviously a large centipede around 16 cm it was 14 cm when it fanged me and the pain was so bad and including some illness I required an ambulance transport to hospital so that scolopendra heros was probably well over 20cm!
 

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The thing is, many people have been bitten by Scolopendra heros and have not experienced such intense pain. I can't be 100% sure if he was acting or not, but whatever happened, that was not a normal reaction to a bite from that species.
As for your bite, that was from a different species, and I suspect E. rubripes has more potent venom than S. heros, though I've never taken a proper envenomation from one.

(Oh and by the way guys, I'm back. Turns out there was a name for my condition - it's called an existential crisis, and all I can say is I'm glad it's over).
 

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I don’t even do centipedes, I have millipedes. But just watching that short video clip made me think he was annoying.
 

patrick nimbs

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The thing is, many people have been bitten by Scolopendra heros and have not experienced such intense pain. I can't be 100% sure if he was acting or not, but whatever happened, that was not a normal reaction to a bite from that species.
As for your bite, that was from a different species, and I suspect E. rubripes has more potent venom than S. heros, though I've never taken a proper envenomation from one.

(Oh and by the way guys, I'm back. Turns out there was a name for my condition - it's called an existential crisis, and all I can say is I'm glad it's over).
Mate, the centipede that bit me is my pet and it is an Ethmostigmus rubripes, and I still have it and I’m telling you he was not faking it. Centipede bite effects always depend on the size of the centipede and when my centipede bit me it was 15cm and the S. heros was probably a real whopper, probably 25 cm and very few ”ethmos” can make that size, the most that they grow up to is about 20cm 8in. long! My centipede bite kept me on the ground for six hours with my thumb literally on fire, headache, muscle weakness, swelling and two scars where the fangs stabbed my skin. I also went to the base hospital afterwards for urgent medical treatment, I am not joking, and I am very fit as I do a lot of sport and a healthy balanced diet!
 

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Size is a major factor when we're talking about the same species, but that's not the case here, as we're dealing with two different species. For instance, I'd rather be bitten by a 30cm S. gigantea than a 15cm S. dehaani.

While I have no doubt that S. heros was big, it didn't look 25cm to me. A lot of people don't realise just how big any pede over 20cm actually looks. Given the pede's size in relation to my biggest rubripes, I'd estimate it at about 18cm. Furthermore, 23cm is the absolute biggest confirmed length attained by S. heros, and having seen handling pics of that pede, it looked way bigger than Coyote's one.

Finally, the fact remains that Scolopendra heros does not seem capable of inflicting the kind of pain that some other centipedes can, and Coyote's reaction appeared to be far worse than anything that has ever reported from that species.
 

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I’m telling you he was not faking it.
How can you come on here and compare two completely different species with different venom potencies? Speaking as someone who has been bitten by the same species, multiple times, I can say that the pain shouldn’t be enough to put someone on the floor screaming. Perhaps Nathen just has a low pain tolerance, but that is a different story.

Anyway, my main gripe with him is the stupid venom extractor stuff. Those things do not work. It is actually very posible that they do more harm than good. He is actively spreading misinformation and wasting people’s money.
 

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I actually severely disagree with you. Please don’t take it personally but I did actually learn some lessons from him and he did it to warn us all to keep alert and not annoy or handle large centipedes otherwise that is what happens! I’m telling you, my ethmostigmus rubripes is obviously a large centipede around 16 cm it was 14 cm when it fanged me and the pain was so bad and including some illness I required an ambulance transport to hospital so that scolopendra heros was probably well over 20cm!
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion and it's good that he does give those warnings (though is it really telling people to be cautious or to increase the drama for his viewers???). I think in general it's good not to annoy centipedes, but I stand by my earlier comments about him doing all of this sensationalist stuff for more views and likes and essentially continuing to vilify a group that already has a crappy public view. Rather than take this opportunity to emphasize the beauty of these animals and giving people actual facts, he went the cheap route of whatever gets more people watching, liking, and sharing his videos (which I get, but I think education should be more important).

I've heard that E. rubripes has a very nasty bite, so I have no reason not to believe you on your personal experience. But these are two different genera with completely different components in their venom. A key difference here is that in a relative sense, S. heros venom is fairly well documented, so he pretty much already knew what he was getting into. I'm not going to say it wasn't painful because 1)I haven't been bitten before so I have no experience and 2)it's a venomous organism, of course it'll be painful. But there are big differences between something being painful and making it seem like you're dying because the YouTubez viewz.
 

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Anyway, my main gripe with him is the stupid venom extractor stuff. Those things do not work. It is actually very posible that they do more harm than good. He is actively spreading misinformation and wasting people’s money.
I didn't even know he was plugging those. Ugh.
 

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If all his other videos were accurate and not clickbait, I would believe him on the bite. But seriously?? Look at his video titles - He finds a worm and the video is called "Creature from the upside down?!"

You can also track his progression from genuine to liar for money: His harvester ant video and fire ant video were his genuine reactions, I think. He acted like a normal person (besides the whole intentionally sticking your hand in an ant nest thing) for the most part. At that point, he realized he can start making good money, and went on to the cow killer. A little exaggerated, but not too bad. When that got nearly 50 million views, he realized that the worse the reaction the more money he gets and all his content began getting faked from there.

And the proof it was faked - Gila monsters are known to have an very painful bite. He got bit by one, and in some of his videos he himself said that the pain is about the same as that of the centipede (Though I think it was probably worse). He didn't scream or fall, and mostly just toughed through it. In the centipede video, however, he acted like he was about to die.
 

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in one video he got a snapping turtle, got it to bite him, and poured rubbing alcohol on its face to get it to let go. Like imagine the pain it felt getting it in its eyes etc. i do not support what he does. i only watched it because of the backlash it got in parts of the instagram reptile community. imo he never seems to go “im not gonna shoot a video with this animal, itd stress it out too much or could hurt it” Whether its a centipede, spider, snake, etc, making a video like this for money, entertainment and not strictly educational purposes is pretty dumb. Like someone said it’s likely going to cause people to kill them more instead of understanding the animal itself.
 

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Size is a major factor when we're talking about the same species, but that's not the case here, as we're dealing with two different species. For instance, I'd rather be bitten by a 30cm S. gigantea than a 15cm S. dehaani.

While I have no doubt that S. heros was big, it didn't look 25cm to me. A lot of people don't realise just how big any pede over 20cm actually looks. Given the pede's size in relation to my biggest rubripes, I'd estimate it at about 18cm. Furthermore, 23cm is the absolute biggest confirmed length attained by S. heros, and having seen handling pics of that pede, it looked way bigger than Coyote's one.

Finally, the fact remains that Scolopendra heros does not seem capable of inflicting the kind of pain that some other centipedes can, and Coyote's reaction appeared to be far worse than anything that has ever reported from that species.
Now no offence mate but it doesn’t matter the size of the centipede always gives you hints on the lethality, pain perception and the seriousness of bites not to mention that large centipedes like ethmostigmus rubripes and most scolopendra species have strong venom and very large forcipules that are capable of bleeding the wound, because I’ve still got the scars from when my ethmo stabbed me in the thumb with its forcipules and pumped venom into the wound and when it let go the wounds bled and waves of unbelievable pain went the same way as Coyote Peterson when he got his dose of centipede venom! And I’d rather get bitten by a dehaani centipede than the whopper scolopendra gigantea from the Caribbean!
 
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