Venom potency

[Chris LXXIX]

That is actually a really good video for this situation

Indeed, my friend from Alba. Indeed

although i understand why some people would be pissed

Not me. I fail to realize why people should be pissed off by that video. I love T's like everyone else, here. Started to keep those long time ago, in '92, as a teen. I always had dogs (not anymore today) and cats (four, at the moment... mommy and her three sons) around me.

People should be pissed off by those nasty, sadistic, voyeur (mostly Japanese, sadly) 'bug fights' videos, where they put, example, a Pelinobius muticus in a cold, no substrate plastic box, against a wasp, and something like that.

For the joy of a sick, morally corrupted and perverted, audience.

In this video, on the other hand, we have a man -- I assume is Italian, since on other vids title there's written perfectly Italian language -- living somewhere in a Central/Caribbean America nation. A man that, like me, has cats. A man that, like me, let his cats free to go out, thus not limiting their predatory skills.

The reason why my cats bring pidgeons and parrots to my door only, is because here in Lombardy (aside mines and very, very few others) we doesn't have native Theraphosidae wandering in our property.

Sure, being him I would had stopped that stuff but means nothing for that I'm an arachnid keeper, I know how to move around T's etc and this is something I can't expect, nor pretend, by the average man.

That's 'nature', pure 100% instinct, just like a lion hunts and kill, just like our T's ambush and predate a cricket, and nothing freaking else.

Anyway, since we are living in a 'politically correct' disgusting, deranged, no more traditional world, probably someone is pissed off lol

so yea, looks like my T's are more at risk of being chewed on by my cats than the other way around lol! really helpful stuff!

True. Still, nonetheless, safety for both, always.

 

[Troopermk2]

with NWs theres basically no chance....cats will eat the ts though.

Old worlds pose a completely differrent threat...most of those could kill a dog or cat.

That's one of the main reasons i don't want to get an OW T yet, i'm far too inexperienced and just dont want to take the risk

 

[Vanessa]

That's one of the main reasons i don't want to get an OW T yet, i'm far too inexperienced and just dont want to take the risk

Thank you for taking into account the very real threat to other family companions. I also have to be diligent about keeping my tarantulas safe from the murdering felines, and vice versa, and I am glad to hear that others are making the same effort.

 

[Troopermk2]

Thank you for taking into account the very real threat to other family companions. I also have to be diligent about keeping my tarantulas safe from the murdering felines, and vice versa, and I am glad to hear that others are making the same effort.

Its strange, although i do have a pretty intense fear of spiders i can easily admire them from a plastic/glass enclosure that i know is secure and i would hate for something to happen to them, they are so tiny, not even the size of my fingernail, i love all animals and these little buddies have something special about them, i dunno what it is, but i like it!

 

[miss moxie]

Yeah I have three cats and a dog and I totally understand. I would never want something bad to happen to the other animals I took in and promised to care for, because I brought something dangerous into the house that I couldn't keep them safe from.

Just take your time, get experience and the skills needed to minimize the risks.

 

[Troopermk2]

Yeah I have three cats and a dog and I totally understand. I would never want something bad to happen to the other animals I took in and promised to care for, because I brought something dangerous into the house that I couldn't keep them safe from.

Just take your time, get experience and the skills needed to minimize the risks.

Hell yea moxie, im super enthusiastic about keeping them, and i already want more....i should probably have gotten a juvie and a sling instead of two slings, but my brain logic is that they wont bite my throat in my sleep because they know i am their father.....yea that totally sounds about right.

I think next id like a NW heavy webbing juvie but id like my slings to be quite a bit bigger first, make sure they get through their first few molts with no problems, and continue as i am now

 

[miss moxie]

my brain logic is that they wont bite my throat in my sleep because they know i am their father.....yea that totally sounds about right.

Juuuust remember...that their father might have been eaten by their mother.

 

[Troopermk2]

Juuuust remember...that their father might have been eaten by their mother.

I forgot that was a thing for tarantulas....im still fairly certain (hopefully) that there isnt spiders big enough to eat me ..yet

 

[elportoed]

The two spiders that you have are relatively slow compared to others. If they get out, the cat will be more likely to kill them than the other way around. Keep them lock up for their safety....

 

[cold blood]

That's one of the main reasons i don't want to get an OW T yet, i'm far too inexperienced and just dont want to take the risk

That's a very mature and responsible attitude

 

[mconnachan]

Venom potency talking, I hardly doubt that those two Theraphosidae can kill an healthy (if adult, always better) cat.

IMO the worst case scenario, remember, isn't that, but the opposite... cats are class A predators, 101% ninja.

One of mine, a huge, lovely, big headed purr machine but 'fights with other cats lover' like not even 'Alex' in 'A Clockwork Orange', with a single "scratch" is good to put 3/4 T's legs in "flying away" mode.

This video I love to post sometimes here (which I have reasons to believe piss off a lot of people ) shows pretty well how much and how good cats can play with T's without even getting tagged... notably, the Theraphosidae in the video is an arboreal and fast one.

A lot of cats keepers are scared (and it's reasonable) about the venom effects on their cats, but actually T's are the ones that needs to be well protected by those lovely

Sad but true, cats are and have been apex predators for millennia, it would be the spider I would be worried about, cats are so agile and have reflexes like well "cats" - there's a saying in English, "You've got the reflexes of a cat" - so I wouldn't be too worried about either as long a s you keep them away from each other, you'll have no problems.

 

[Troopermk2]

Sad but true, cats are and have been apex predators for millennia, it would be the spider I would be worried about, cats are so agile and have reflexes like well "cats" - there's a saying in English, "You've got the reflexes of a cat" - so I wouldn't be too worried about either as long a s you keep them away from each other, you'll have no problems.

Yea, i was more worried about the worst case scenario, but due to them being NWs there shouldnt be any major problems if a cat-astrophe happens (sorry not sorry)

 

[Troopermk2]

That's a very mature and responsible attitude

In all honesty i would love to get more NWs as it is, but these are my first t's had them for nearly 3 days now but i need to hold back incase something happens

also fear of spiders probably adds to the spectrum of not wanting OWs lol

 

[mconnachan]

Hell yea moxie, im super enthusiastic about keeping them, and i already want more....i should probably have gotten a juvie and a sling instead of two slings, but my brain logic is that they wont bite my throat in my sleep because they know i am their father.....yea that totally sounds about right.

I think next id like a NW heavy webbing juvie but id like my slings to be quite a bit bigger first, make sure they get through their first few molts with no problems, and continue as i am now

Great thought process my man, you're obviously an intelligent well informed individual, I've noticed this on a few of your posts already, if I haven't said so yet, Welcome to Arachnoboards and enjoy the camaraderie here on the best forum ever.

 

[Troopermk2]

Great thought process my man, you're obviously an intelligent well informed individual, I've noticed this on a few of your posts already, if I haven't said so yet, Welcome to Arachnoboards and enjoy the camaraderie here on the best forum ever.

In all honesty i'm probably being severely overcautious, but, my favorite saying is "better safe than sorry". I don't like the thought of any animal dying under my care even a tiny sling, you are too kind my friend, i've just been doing my research like anyone else should when owning an exotic species, and its pretty damn sweet here, i've already had loads of advice and expanded my knowledge greatly, i cant wait for what else you guys can teach me

 

[cold blood]

In all honesty i'm probably being severely overcautious, but, my favorite saying is "better safe than sorry". I don't like the thought of any animal dying under my care even a tiny sling, you are too kind my friend, i've just been doing my research like anyone else should when owning an exotic species, and its pretty damn sweet here, i've already had loads of advice and expanded my knowledge greatly, i cant wait for what else you guys can teach me

The slower one goes, the less problems one will generally encounter.

I took my time, slowly working my way up patiently...as a result I had none of the learning mistakes or close calls that we see every day. The OW transition was seamless, as by the time I took the step, I had no doubts or questions about whether or not I was ready....I had already developed and refined the needed techniques.

There's no shame in taking things slow, in fact, I take pride in the fact that that I didn't get into this hobby with an impulsive, gotta get this or that attitude.

Just my experiences...

 

[Troopermk2]

The slower one goes, the less problems one will generally encounter.

I took my time, slowly working my way up patiently.

There's no shame in taking things slow, in fact, I take pride in the fact that that I didn't get into this hobby with an impulsive, gotta get this or that attitude.

Just my experiences...

Its very true that taking things slow, researching and documenting to a certian extent as you go can help minimalize mistakes that beginners can make, for example earlier today on the forums, i had problems with my A. Geniculata, wasnt really moving much, didnt eat (whereas the B.Vagans was super active and had already eaten a prekilled cricket) turns out i had watered the substrate to much, so i changed the enclosure completely, new bedding and all with a hide and waterdish, although, i will say that he hasnt really improved, hes been in the same spot since the transfer but is still alive, im not sure if hes in premolt or not ill put a link >>> http://arachnoboards.com/threads/sling-moulting.297119/ <<< if anyone can think of something missing please let me know

Thats the great things about places like this, shared knowledge between hundreds if not thousands can greatly help each and every one of us