Venom potency

[Troopermk2]

So with my recent purchase of A.Geniculata and B.Vagans, and noticing how fast and unpredicatble they can be, i was wondering : Worst case scenario, i have two adult cats, at full grown size of the Ts would the venom be that potent that it could kill a cat?

 

[GreyPsyche]

I wouldn't put em in a play pen together, that's for sure.

 

[boina]

Of course there hasn't been any research done on that so all there is are anecdotal reports - and one study on dogs in Australia that I can't find right now. Anecdotal reports suggest that while most cats that got bit will suffer quite a bit from the venom and definitely need a vet trip, they will also most likely survive. Dogs might actually be more sensitive to tarantula venom because every dog in that study died - or that only appears so because Australian tarantulas have a stronger venom.

Anyway, I have cats myself and I would take pains to make sure the cats can't push over or throw down the enclosures - I've seen a few threads where that had happened.

 

[spotropaicsav]

Also it helps to know the personality of your cats- I have three cats, and I find it unlikely for them to go near one of our adult Ts if it were to escape. Like @boina said though, good to set up a bit of prevention now to prevent accidents, especially if you have very curious kitties.

 

[spotropaicsav]

http://arachnoboards.com/threads/cat-knocked-over-my-seemanni.297069/

 

[Troopermk2]

Anyway, I have cats myself and I would take pains to make sure the cats can't push over or throw down the enclosures - I've seen a few threads where that had happened.

Yea, they wont have any access to enclosures at all, the Ts are kept behind a sliding mirror and the cats are generally lazy buggers but they are quite curious. Thanks for the valuable information though, im literally brand new to the hobby and im probably trying to be over prepared

 

[spotropaicsav]

Yea, they wont have any access to enclosures at all, the Ts are kept behind a sliding mirror and the cats are generally lazy buggers but they are quite curious. Thanks for the valuable information though, im literally brand new to the hobby and im probably trying to be over prepared

Glad you are looking out for your cats and your Ts

 

[sasker]

one study on dogs in Australia

Is that the same one in which someone got bit through his fingernail? I thought that was pretty rad (not so much for the person who got bit, though). I have the feeling that Australian tarantulas have quite strong venom ('standard' OW) so I can imagine why the dogs all kicked the bucket.

I think a bigger danger for the OP's cats are the urticating sitae. If they get haired inches from their face, I think this would blind the cats for live. I read once about someone who accidentally inhaled at the same moment one of his Nhandu sp. haired him. He had to cough so badly that he passed out.

 

[AusBugKid]

Yea, they wont have any access to enclosures at all, the Ts are kept behind a sliding mirror and the cats are generally lazy buggers but they are quite curious. Thanks for the valuable information though, im literally brand new to the hobby and im probably trying to be over prepared

Glad you are keeping your pets safe on both sides. I am concerned however about the placement of your enclosures. You mentioned a sliding mirror, is there any lighting behind the mirror, like is it a cupboard or something? Most living things don't do well with near - constant darkness is all

 

[AusBugKid]

Glad you are keeping your pets safe on both sides. I am concerned however about the placement of your enclosures. You mentioned a sliding mirror, is their any lighting behind the mirror, like is it a cupboard or something? Most living things don't do well with near - constant darkness is all

Someone correct me if this isn't the case for T's.

 

[Nightstalker47]

So with my recent purchase of A.Geniculata and B.Vagans, and noticing how fast and unpredicatble they can be, i was wondering : Worst case scenario, i have two adult cats, at full grown size of the Ts would the venom be that potent that it could kill a cat?

I wouldn't be worried about the Ts killing your cats, if one were to escape the cat would probably get the better of it.

Also, they are both NW species and aren't known to have potent venom. I think it's extremely unlikely for one of your cats to get bit... especially with how you have them setup.

Glad you are keeping your pets safe on both sides. I am concerned however about the placement of your enclosures. You mentioned a sliding mirror, is there any lighting behind the mirror, like is it a cupboard or something? Most living things don't do well with near - constant darkness is all

Tarantulas don't need any light, and will thrive in complete darkness.

 

[AusBugKid]

Huh... I really didn't know that, thanks

 

[Troopermk2]

I am concerned however about the placement of your enclosures. You mentioned a sliding mirror, is there any lighting behind the mirror, like is it a cupboard or something?

I say they are kept behind a sliding mirror, but the mirror will be slid open most of the time, its only closed at night or when im not in the room....incase curious cats come prowling

Tarantulas don't need any light, and will thrive in complete darkness.

I had no idea they would thrive in complete darkness, although i dont see any benefit that light would actually give them, thanks for this valuable info, i really dont like the thought of anything going wrong with them and all this info is greatly appreciated

 

[miss moxie]

The two you listed (B. vagans, A. geniculata) don't have significant venom so I wouldn't worry about it but when you get into OWs the risk is higher. I read in the bite reports about a cat being bit by either an OBT or a Pokie and they survived but definitely felt the effects (throwing up, muscle twitching, uncoordinated movement/walking).

 

[mconnachan]

So with my recent purchase of A.Geniculata and B.Vagans, and noticing how fast and unpredicatble they can be, i was wondering : Worst case scenario, i have two adult cats, at full grown size of the Ts would the venom be that potent that it could kill a cat?

In all honesty, the chances of them being killed by any of these two species is slim to non existent, if you were talking OW's then that would be an issue, I would be more concerned about your spiders enclosures being knocked over by the cats, try to keep the enclosures out of harms way, for the sake of the spiders and the cats, lovely species by the way....

 

[Troopermk2]

I would be more concerned about your spiders enclosures being knocked over by the cats, try to keep the enclosures out of harms way, for the sake of the spiders and the cats, lovely species by the way....

Thank you, i really do like the adult coloration on these two, and the shelf that they are sitting on is a good 4.5-5 foot high, even put a small bit of wood at the front of the shelf just incase

 

[Troopermk2]

The two you listed (B. vagans, A. geniculata) don't have significant venom so I wouldn't worry about it but when you get into OWs the risk is higher.

That's the main reason i went for these two, i didn't want to go for an OW when i literally have no experience with Ts OW or NW, and they both seem to be quite a hardy species

Really dont want to take any chances with the cats or the spiders health so i think its best if i keep them isolated, even if its unnecessary, better to be safe!

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Venom potency talking, I hardly doubt that those two Theraphosidae can kill an healthy (if adult, always better) cat.

IMO the worst case scenario, remember, isn't that, but the opposite... cats are class A predators, 101% ninja.

One of mine, a huge, lovely, big headed purr machine but 'fights with other cats lover' like not even 'Alex' in 'A Clockwork Orange', with a single "scratch" is good to put 3/4 T's legs in "flying away" mode.

This video I love to post sometimes here (which I have reasons to believe piss off a lot of people ) shows pretty well how much and how good cats can play with T's without even getting tagged... notably, the Theraphosidae in the video is an arboreal and fast one.

A lot of cats keepers are scared (and it's reasonable) about the venom effects on their cats, but actually T's are the ones that needs to be well protected by those lovely

 

[Troopermk2]

Venom potency talking, I hardly doubt that those two Theraphosidae can kill an healthy (if adult, always better) cat.

IMO the worst case scenario, remember, isn't that, but the opposite... cats are class A predators, 101% ninja.

That is actually a really good video for this situation, although i understand why some people would be pissed, so yea, looks like my T's are more at risk of being chewed on by my cats than the other way around lol! really helpful stuff!

 

[cold blood]

So with my recent purchase of A.Geniculata and B.Vagans, and noticing how fast and unpredicatble they can be, i was wondering : Worst case scenario, i have two adult cats, at full grown size of the Ts would the venom be that potent that it could kill a cat?

with NWs theres basically no chance....cats will eat the ts though.

Old worlds pose a completely differrent threat...most of those could kill a dog or cat.