T's in Florida?

[Kodi]

I'm currently staying in the Cape Canaveral and Orlando area until this Monday and I would love to go searching for some T's if any exist in this area. Can anyone shed some light?

 

[Poec54]

There's a few B vagans in an orange grove on the east coast, been there for years, didn't expand their area. Leave them alone. If you want a vagans, buy one.

 

[BobGrill]

There's a few B vagans in an orange grove on the east coast, been there for years, didn't expand their area. Leave them alone. If you want a vagans, buy one.

He may have just been wanting to observe them for all we know. We don't have enough information to be making assumptions like that.

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[Poec54]

He may have just been wanting to observe them for all we know. We don't have enough information to be making assumptions like that.

There's plenty of videos and pics online if he wants to see T in the wild. Most people want to go there to dig up a free spider. They can find something else to do in Florida besides pestering spiders.

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

There's plenty of videos and pics online if he wants to see T in the wild. Most people want to go there to dig up a free spider. They can find something else to do in Florida besides pestering spiders.

And some people want to see them live and not in video. It isn't your call to decide who gets to see animals in the wild and who doesn't. Sometimes you just flat out are needlessly confrontational.

OP, there's the aforementioned B vagans on the east coast, and supposedly some Avics in Miami.

 

[Poec54]

And some people want to see them live and not in video. It isn't your call to decide who gets to see animals in the wild and who doesn't. Sometimes you just flat out are needlessly confrontational.

OP, there's the aforementioned B vagans on the east coast, and supposedly some Avics in Miami.

Basically you'd see a hole in the ground with the vagans, and good luck finding Avics in the canopy of a big tree. Not really worth the drive, especially considering how cheap and plentiful both species are in the hobby.

If someone wants to see, and collect T's in the wild, why not the Caribbean? There's a lot of Phormictopus and Cyrtopholis species there (both are underrepresented in the hobby) and the locals probably kill them on sight. Not like they want them.

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

I'm guessing the reason the OP chose Florida and not the Caribbean is the fact that the OP is temporarily in Florida and not the Caribbean.

As for a species being in the hobby, I have a green anaconda. It doesn't change the fact that I love going to Zoo Miami and seeing their anaconda exhibit, nor does it alter the fact I'd love to see them in the wild. If I ever get the chance to visit their native territory, I will go looking. Chances of me actually finding one to observe are slim, but it won't stop me wanting to see one in the wild.

 

[Biollantefan54]

B. vagans aren't even from Florida right? What would it matter if he even took some from the habitat? They don't technically belong there anyways, wouldn't it help the ecosystem?

 

[BobGrill]

There's plenty of videos and pics online if he wants to see T in the wild. Most people want to go there to dig up a free spider. They can find something else to do in Florida besides pestering spiders.

You're just assuming. Regardless, there is a nicer way to explain yourself.

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[klawfran3]

B. vagans aren't even from Florida right? What would it matter if he even took some from the habitat? They don't technically belong there anyways, wouldn't it help the ecosystem?

I don't think it will either help or hurt it. Orange groves are not native to Florida, and they completely messed up the Ecosystem wih them. The spiders were a little cherry on top that didnt do anything but cause a little hype.

 

[Biollantefan54]

Ah, ok. Well still, what would it matter if he took one. They still don't belong there and it wouldn't hurt anything either. If he wants to see wild T's he could go to California, Texas, Arizona and a handful of other places. He would actually see them in there real habitat.

 

[cold blood]

If someone wants to see, and collect T's in the wild, why not the Caribbean? There's a lot of Phormictopus and Cyrtopholis species there (both are underrepresented in the hobby) and the locals probably kill them on sight. Not like they want them.

Same can be said for those B. vagans in Florida. They are an invasive that the state has tried many times to eradicate.

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

There's a few B vagans in an orange grove on the east coast, been there for years, didn't expand their area. Leave them alone. If you want a vagans, buy one.

If someone wants to see, and collect T's in the wild, why not the Caribbean? There's a lot of Phormictopus and Cyrtopholis species there (both are underrepresented in the hobby) and the locals probably kill them on sight. Not like they want them.

What a ridiculous and ecologically irresponsible couple of statements. Somehow it's better to leave a non-native/ invasive population of Bracypelma vagans in Florida alone but it's ok to collect native populations of tarantula from the Caribbean for the pet trade and justified on an unfounded assumption of the locals' attitude toward their tarantulas. Should be the other way around I think.

 

[BobGrill]

I think they should all be left alone regardless, but observing is fine IMO as long as no harm is done to the animal and it is turned loose afterwards.

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[Poec54]

What a ridiculous and ecologically irresponsible couple of statements. Somehow it's better to leave a non-native/ invasive population of Bracypelma vagans in Florida alone but it's ok to collect native populations of tarantula from the Caribbean for the pet trade and justified on an unfounded assumption of the locals' attitude toward their tarantulas. Should be the other way around I think.

That's pretty naïve. How do you most of the species being captive bred in the hobby today got here? Most were brought in under questionable circumstances, and we all seem to enjoy the benefits of them. Should we all surrender our spiders that came from parents originally smuggled out of their native habitats? In those countries it's perfectly legal for locals to destroy countless acres full of rare plants and animals, and to kill any invertebrates; they're not safe in the wild. That's 'ecologically responsible?' Try again. The greatest loss of species by far is land being cleared. And aren't we glad that individuals smuggled handfuls of spiders out of those countries so that they could be bred in captivity?

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Same can be said for those B. vagans in Florida. They are an invasive that the state has tried many times to eradicate.

The Florida Department of Agriculture tried to eradicate the vagans colony under the ridiculous pretext that they were a threat to agriculture and livestock (citing the old wife's tale that the urticating hairs cause injuries to the legs of cattle and horses). You support that?

 

[cold blood]

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The Florida Department of Agriculture tried to eradicate the vagans colony under the ridiculous pretext that they were a threat to agriculture and livestock (citing the old wife's tale that the urticating hairs cause injuries to the legs of cattle and horses). You support that?

I didn't try to eradicate them, the state of Florida did. I don't support it, nor do I believe them to be an invasive capable of causing problems, but that doesn't change the fact that the state doesn't want them there and makes attempts to kill them. If you are going to keep a wild t, one that a)doesn't belong and b) one that could at any time be sprayed with pesticides, would be the "wild" ones to collect.

I am not sure how my post was being supportive of the state's views, I was just stating facts, and the FACT is, they are an invasive species in Florida, one that the state does not want. If there was ever a perfect t to collect, its vagans from Florida.....collecting them essentially saves them from potential eradication efforts.

Personally, I am with you poec, I would just leave them be as well.

 

[BobGrill]

That's pretty naïve. How do you most of the species being captive bred in the hobby today got here? Most were brought in under questionable circumstances, and we all seem to enjoy the benefits of them. Should we all surrender our spiders that came from parents originally smuggled out of their native habitats? In those countries it's perfectly legal for locals to destroy countless acres full of rare plants and animals, and to kill any invertebrates; they're not safe in the wild. That's 'ecologically responsible?' Try again. The greatest loss of species by far is land being cleared. And aren't we glad that individuals smuggled handfuls of spiders out of those countries so that they could be bred in captivity?

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The Florida Department of Agriculture tried to eradicate the vagans colony under the ridiculous pretext that they were a threat to agriculture and livestock (citing the old wife's tale that the urticating hairs cause injuries to the legs of cattle and horses). You support that?

Wow... you're actually accusing him of that? Look.. from one hobbyist to another, can you just mellow out a bit and try not to argue with everyone and point fingers? No ones out to get you man. You're probably older than most of the people on this board, just act your age. Also before you start making accusations towards me of doing the same thing, I did argue a lot in the past with people and all of that could've been avoided. However, I'm willing to let all of that go and move on.

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[Python]

I don't see a problem with catching wild animals as long as you are prepared and able to care for them properly. I think it's especially ok to collect invasive species since they are marked for eradication from the very beginning. Why crush them or spray them or otherwise destroy them when there are plenty of people that would love to take care of them and nurture them? So they're wild. Big deal. They're also slaughtered on sight. Just remember, everything was wild caught at one time or another. If everybody just let them be, there would be no hobby

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[Poec54]

I was just stating facts, and the FACT is, they are an invasive species in Florida, one that the state does not want.

It wasn't the state of Florida that wanted to eradicate the vagans, it was a few zealots in the Dept of Agriculture overstepping their jurisdiction. Tarantulas have no impact on agriculture or livestock anywhere in this country, and a tiny pocket of them in an old orange grove has had zero impact. This is the same Dept of Agriculture that, in an attempt to control citrus diseases, aerial-sprayed malathion in cities during school mornings when kids where standing outside waiting for buses. That's how power-crazed they were under Bob Crawford's administration. Thank god he's gone.

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Wow... you're actually accusing him of that? Look.. from one hobbyist to another, can you just mellow out a bit and try not to argue with everyone and point fingers? No ones out to get you man. You're probably older than most of the people on this board, just act your age. Also before you start making accusations towards me of doing the same thing, I did argue a lot in the past with people and all of that could've been avoided. However, I'm willing to let all of that go and move on.

I'm trying to find a point in this.

 

[BobGrill]

It wasn't the state of Florida that wanted to eradicate the vagans, it was a few zealots in the Dept of Agriculture overstepping their jurisdiction. Tarantulas have no impact on agriculture or livestock anywhere in this country, and a tiny pocket of them in an old orange grove has had zero impact. This is the same Dept of Agriculture that, in an attempt to control citrus diseases, aerial-sprayed malathion in cities during school mornings when kids where standing outside waiting for buses. That's how power-crazed they were under Bob Crawford's administration. Thank god he's gone.

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I'm trying to find a point in this.

Keep looking, its there.

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