Theraphosa ID

[CodeWilster]

Thanks Lol I understand that part, but what I was getting at wasn't deep taxonomy. I just wanted to know are these guys a different color or not. I never meant for color to be the distinguishing feature between the two species that separates them [taxanomically speaking ]--that would be like racism right?. So yeah I get that part, just like G. rosea and G. rosea RCF are the same. What I was trying to say was, I wanted to know are they a different color after all; it sounds like they are supposed to be more "red" than usual. So would this be like a T. blondi RCF? Are they really actually burgandy or do they look like a normal Birdeater?

 

[Brian S]

Since I do not have any of the so called burgundy spiders that Jacobi is selling I cannot answer that. I have seen several colors of the "true" T blondi such as cinnamon, dark brwn etc etc. So perhaps it is possible they do have a purplish sheen when adults, its also possible that so do and some dont and its also possible that a color like that is only visible under certain light (e.g. the flash of a camera )

 

[Lopez]

I cannot stand NW theraphosids, so my picture catalogue is limited.

Here is a juvenile (2.5 - 3" approx) T.apophysis

 

[CodeWilster]

its also possible that so do and some dont and its also possible that a color like that is only visible under certain light (e.g. the flash of a camera )

Yeah definitely. Without the flash of a camera I bet the spider economy would go down. (I'm assuming you said that after seeing my pic, and yeah he looks pretty orange in that pic lol--maybe it's a Brazilian Fire Birdeater?) Ok I think I'll let everyobody else figure this stuff out. I am not a taxonomist and don't exactly want to be so somebody let me know when this gets figured out or if they have a very burgandy Burgandy Birdeater for sale because that was the only thing that really caught my attention

 

[Euronymous]

I am getting one of these "pink foot blondi's" soon. I am even more interested in getting one now. This is getting interesting. I read on another thread how someone was unhappy receiving a "burgandy", it makes me all the more exited. I am interested in the habitat and the spiders creating hybrids themselves. If so many sling are coming from WC females that tends to make sense. I read about a guy that researched them in Guyana. I gotta find that guy.

 

[GailC]

Thanks Lol I understand that part, but what I was getting at wasn't deep taxonomy. I just wanted to know are these guys a different color or not. I never meant for color to be the distinguishing feature between the two species that separates them [taxanomically speaking ]--that would be like racism right?. So yeah I get that part, just like G. rosea and G. rosea RCF are the same. What I was trying to say was, I wanted to know are they a different color after all; it sounds like they are supposed to be more "red" than usual. So would this be like a T. blondi RCF? Are they really actually burgandy or do they look like a normal Birdeater?

I have one of the "Burgundy" slings, right now the color is nothing to write home about. Looks like any other Theraphosa sling but I did see the "aunt" of my sling, she did have a nice dark burgundy brown color to her, different from the T blondi I've seen but I've only seen one so I don't have a huge knowledge base to go off of.

I don't care if mine turns out to be a T blondi color phase, a hybrid or a new species since I won't ever be breeding it but it would be really nice to know whats floating around the hobby. The last thing we need is a mess with Theraphosa like we have with Avicularia.
Has anyone purposly crossed a blondi and apophysis? I wonder how those offspring compare to the "burgundy"

 

[Brian S]

Has anyone purposly crossed a blondi and apophysis? I wonder how those offspring compare to the "burgundy"

Dont give anyone any ideas LOLOL

 

[Euronymous]

It could be a difference in locality. I know that there are a lot of reptiles that have different colors in different places. For example water monitors. The Sumatra locality is much more desirable because of there right yellow coloration. I don't remember of anyone mentioning whether or not these "pink foot blondi's" have spurs. Does any one have any thoughts on locality?

 

[CodeWilster]

I don't remember of anyone mentioning whether or not these "pink foot blondi's" have spurs...

The "Pinkfoot Birdeaters" (Theraphosa apophysis) we know have the spurs, but according to Jacobi the "Burgandy" Pinkfoot Birdeaters do not. (Like the regular blondis)

 

[Euronymous]

Come on guys

Well now that we have a plentiful amount of ch slings it is our responsibility to get a serious breeding project underway so that we do not have to import WC animals. Whether they are hybrid or what ever, lets leave the animals in the already ever destructing south America alone. Where there is no demand there is no supply. I will post this on the other thread directed at this topic.

-Euronymous

 

[Brian S]

Well now that we have a plentiful amount of ch slings it is our responsibility to get a serious breeding project underway so that we do not have to import WC animals. Whether they are hybrid or what ever, lets leave the animals in the already ever destructing south America alone. Where there is no demand there is no supply. I will post this on the other thread directed at this topic.

-Euronymous

I see where you are coming from and all but as you will notice in some of the posts in this thread not many people know where their "goliath" is really from and I am 100% against breeding hybrids in captivity, I am not particularly fond of the hybrid snakes that are being bred either.
I mean really, I dont want a cross between a corn and a kingsnake no more than I would want a hybrid tarantula. I posted this with the intentions of trying to sort this all out so that breeders will not screw up the gene pool like some have the snakes. Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against all the weird cornsnake, ball python and boa morphs floating around in the snake hobby afterall they are the same species. In fact I keep a few cornsnakes and they look nothing like what you would find in the wild.

 

[CodeWilster]

I see where you are coming from and all but as you will notice in some of the posts in this thread not many people know where their "goliath" is really from and I am 100% against breeding hybrids in captivity, I am not particularly fond of the hybrid snakes that are being bred either.
I mean really, I dont want a cross between a corn and a kingsnake no more than I would want a hybrid tarantula. I posted this with the intentions of trying to sort this all out so that breeders will not screw up the gene pool like some have the snakes. Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against all the weird cornsnake, ball python and boa morphs floating around in the snake hobby afterall they are the same species. In fact I keep a few cornsnakes and they look nothing like what you would find in the wild.

I agree. That and inbreeding, whether it's proven to cause problems or not. There are SSSOOOO many beautiful T's out there, there's no need and shouldn't be a demand for hybridizing. It just sucks with this Theraphosa genus because it sounds like we've got all different species (like apophysis, blondi, "burgandy", and blondi with white feet) that all look exactly the same as adults, and most people that own them own adults that came from somewhere in South America nobody knows. This is going to be a tough nut to crack, and hopefully all these slings for sale aren't already hybrids, sterile or not.

 

[Euronymous]

I see where you are coming from and all but as you will notice in some of the posts in this thread not many people know where their "goliath" is really from and I am 100% against breeding hybrids in captivity, I am not particularly fond of the hybrid snakes that are being bred either.
I mean really, I dont want a cross between a corn and a kingsnake no more than I would want a hybrid tarantula. I posted this with the intentions of trying to sort this all out so that breeders will not screw up the gene pool like some have the snakes. Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against all the weird cornsnake, ball python and boa morphs floating around in the snake hobby afterall they are the same species. In fact I keep a few cornsnakes and they look nothing like what you would find in the wild.

I understand where you are coming from as well. If they are truly hybrids though, it was and is a natural occurance being as these animal are the direct brood of a WC female.
I have to disagree with the purity theory though, at least in this situation. Would you rather have these beautiful animals ripped out of there burrows, thrown in a bucket and shipped all over the word, or keep the species plentiful (exist?) in the wild, and give hobiest the obertunity to enjoy these amazing spiders at the same time? "pure bred" or not they are "close enough to the real thing".
How the hell did they get albino retics anyway? :?

 

[Brian S]

I have to disagree with the purity theory though, at least in this situation. Would you rather have these beautiful animals ripped out of there burrows, thrown in a bucket and shipped all over the word, or keep the species plentiful (exist?) in the wild, and give hobiest the obertunity to enjoy these amazing spiders at the same time? "pure bred" or not they are "close enough to the real thing".

I am indeed all for captive breeding. I really wish we had someone with a little taxonomic skills to clear this for us some. Before we jump on the "wild natural" hybrid bandwagon we need to get someone with some real knowledge to make sure that these are either an existing species or a new species all togehter. I am all for keeping our captive stock as "pure" as what they are in the wild though

How the hell did they get albino retics anyway? :?

LOL! Beats the hell out of me! Just as it astounds me with all the corn snake morphs that breeders have come up with. Although I keep a few corns I havent studied genetics enuff to even begin talking about this subject. Fortunately that is a different subject to the current situation at hand. I can only handle one situation like this at a time and that is if I'm lucky LOL

 

[Euronymous]

corn snake morphs and how. Lets leave to T's although I have a feeling this thread is about through.
Has anyone tried to contact Rick West?

 

[CodeWilster]

I understand where you are coming from as well. If they are truly hybrids though, it was and is a natural occurance being as these animal are the direct brood of a WC female.
I have to disagree with the purity theory though, at least in this situation. Would you rather have these beautiful animals ripped out of there burrows, thrown in a bucket and shipped all over the word, or keep the species plentiful (exist?) in the wild, and give hobiest the obertunity to enjoy these amazing spiders at the same time? "pure bred" or not they are "close enough to the real thing".
How the hell did they get albino retics anyway? :?

I definitely agree with you in that we should leave wild-caught species in the wild where they belong, but our hobby had to come from somewhere (which came 1st chicken or egg :? ). This is my opinion and so is obviously no greater than yours, but I believe we should do our best to keep even the things in captivity as genetically close to the wild. We do that with endangered animals for a reason. Once strong numbers of species like Blondi start being bred in captivity, Guyana should be left alone. I'm the kind of person who looks at a wolf and then a pug and wants to cry, same with those crazy bubble-eyed goldfish that lay around because they can't swim :wall: I doubt it could get that far with T's though. I guess I'm just a little skeptical of whether T hybridizing is going to result in a "slippery slope effect" but whatever I'll shut up now.

 

[CodeWilster]

corn snake morphs and how. Lets leave to T's although I have a feeling this thread is about through.
Has anyone tried to contact Rick West?

I'm pretty sure somebody did. He says he needs a recently dead one to study

 

[Euronymous]

I definitely agree with you in that we should leave wild-caught species in the wild where they belong, but our hobby had to come from somewhere (which came 1st chicken or egg :? ). This is my opinion and so is obviously no greater than yours, but I believe we should do our best to keep even the things in captivity as genetically close to the wild. We do that with endangered animals for a reason. Once strong numbers of species like Blondi start being bred in captivity, Guyana should be left alone. I'm the kind of person who looks at a wolf and then a pug and wants to cry, same with those crazy bubble-eyed goldfish that lay around because they can't swim :wall: I doubt it could get that far with T's though. I guess I'm just a little skeptical of whether T hybridizing is going to result in a "slippery slope effect" but whatever I'll shut up now.

No, you made good points. But the only part that is missing is that these slings going around right are from a gravid female that became gravid in Guyana. There are as pure as you are going to get.
Wolf to pug analogy is great, but it does not pertain to this circumstance; again they are what you would under ferns kicking hairs at you in Guyana!
The only problem with my "master plan" is that the males will mature before the females- sacks cached close to same time. This is just to my knowledge though.
I did not want to go there, but, there are subspecies you know. Southern and northern alligator lizards are the same species, but different sub-species. The coloration is what sets them apart...food for thought

On a lighter note, those gold fish make great feeders

 

[Euronymous]

I'm pretty sure somebody did. He says he needs a recently dead one to study

I am sure someone will loose a sling, make a post. Or buy the mother and ship to him to study while it is alive, and disect it when it dies.

 

[CodeWilster]

On a lighter note, those gold fish make great feeders

Whoa for T's? I may try that, I'd be doing the goldfish a favor, right?