The difference between a newb and a NEWB.

[Fran]

I'm more interested in the quantum ramifications of your post, and the state of your hygrometer in N dimensional space.

By observing your hygrometer, you change the outcome.

You wanna go over the string theory and how a digital hygrometer can find the real trick with the gravity force ?

 

[paul fleming]

Well, my experience is C++ programming...

Mathematically, you're correct. I'm gonna see if I can find that actual symbol though...

Ah, here we are: ≠

Joe,a post where you were WRONG....what's going on

 

[Mad Hatter]

I'm more interested in the quantum ramifications of your post, and the state of your hygrometer in N dimensional space.

By observing your hygrometer, you change the outcome.

LOL!

Well, my experience is C++ programming...

Mathematically, you're correct. I'm gonna see if I can find that actual symbol though...

Ah, here we are: ≠

AWESOME!!! I changed my post and added that symbol.

 

[Mad Hatter]

Joe,a post where you were WRONG....what's going on

Well, not "wrong" per se, he was right in so far as C++ programming is concerned... though actually, I am not even qualified to say that he is "right" since I have no clue about even the basics of C++.

You wanna go over the string theory and how a digital hygrometer can find the real trick with the gravity force ?

LOL Fran! Wow... the permutations of said outcome might be intellectually insurmountable!

 

[xhexdx]

Spit's one of the guys who sits in the corner and waits for me to slip up on something.

 

[Fran]

Spit's one of the guys who sits in the corner and waits for me to slip up on something.

We ALL do that Joe...

JK

 

[JimM]

You wanna go over the string theory and how a digital hygrometer can find the real trick with the gravity force ?

Your digital hygrometer cannot exist in N dimensional space.
You need a Shoedeger's hygrometer, which comes in interesting packaging to say the least. It measures the wave function affecting the T in question, and measures of the humidity of of that enclosure at various points in space/time without your needing to observe it. For he exists in all possible states until you check.

 

[ZergFront]

Because:

Doing research > Feeling confident

:clap: I know I was.

Before I got my Psalmos, I did a lot of research on them(as much as I should have done with my water dragon in the very beginning. :wall: He's 8 years old and still kicking at least.)

When I'd found out about them as much as needed, I knew I was going to get some and I would take off in the hobby from there. I hope there are many more species to come for me to nurture.

BTW, to any newb, don't take an S.calceatum as good advice for a first.

 

[Fran]

Your digital hygrometer cannot exist in N dimensional space.
You need a Shoedeger's hygrometer, which comes in interesting packaging to say the least. It measures the wave function affecting the T in question, and measures of the humidity of of that enclosure at various points in space/time without your needing to observe it. For he exists in all possible states until you check.

hahha I might need to explain you the Euclidean space

 

[JimM]

hahha I might need to explain you the Euclidean space

Prior to 1854 before Reimann trumped Euclid I might have listened, but that's old school man...OLD school.

 

[Fran]

Prior to 1854 before Reimann trumped Euclid I might have listened, but that's old school man...OLD school.

Good ole Google uh??

 

[JimM]

Good ole Google uh??

Nope, I don't do that...ever. Just a few books on my shelf that I've read a few times each...quantum physics is a long time interest of mine, a hobby of sorts, nothing more. You can find them yourself at your local book store. That little bit about Reimann I just happened to read a week or so ago.

One I recommend is Hyperspace, by Michio Kaku, as well as his other works...he lays things out nicely in a way most can follow. Leonard Susskind is another author you might check out.

Had you read a few yourself, you never would have thrown Euclid in there. ;P

But I tire of this quantum jousting friend Fran! A bit silly on a T board...anymore input on the topic at hand would be welcomed sir.
Otherwise PM me again.

 

[venomous.com]

saying something is not equal to something else is represented by !=.

Or simply 'ne'

 

[Big Red TJ]

Great post. This totally makes sense to me since my background was tree vipers and rattlesnakes....pokies don't scare me one bit. I always get a giggle out of 'medically significant' when talking about a T.

Getting a bite from an Atheris, for which there is no antivenin, or a nice Western DB IS medically significant.....a T, well, not so much

That said, I don't find pokies to be even remotely difficult to keep or work with and I've kept 4 species and currently have about 20 of them. I guess if you are the kind of person who wants to hold your T's they could be problematic, but I don't (or rarely) handle my animals.

I totally agree I have raised elapids and big vipers for years when I live in S.C. and never had a problem makin the transition to T's. I will say H.Macs are really quick that species suprised me.

 

[Fran]

Nope, I don't do that...ever. Just a few books on my shelf that I've read a few times each...quantum physics is a long time interest of mine, a hobby of sorts, nothing more. You can find them yourself at your local book store. That little bit about Reimann I just happened to read a week or so ago.

One I recommend is Hyperspace, by Michio Kaku, as well as his other works...he lays things out nicely in a way most can follow. Leonard Susskind is another author you might check out.

Had you read a few yourself, you never would have thrown Euclid in there. ;P

But I tire of this quantum jousting friend Fran! A bit silly on a T board...anymore input on the topic at hand would be welcomed sir.
Otherwise PM me again.

I studied Physics JimM, I had my share of books . By the way, dont know what to think of Michio Kaku, a bit sensationalist for me.

 

[Tapahtyn]

True spiders still scare wont lie haha, something about a big fuzzball doesnt bother me but true spiders freak me out. I respect them though, and ughh huntsman spiders make my skin crawl they move odd

I will agree on that, but I am slowly being able to understand true spiders as well. I have held an orb weaver and such. Love the jumpers

 

[JimM]

I will agree on that, but I am slowly being able to understand true spiders as well. I have held an orb weaver and such. Love the jumpers

I'm still nervous those larger orb weavers are going to bite, and no reason to handle them anyway.
I've always been comfortable holding jumpers.

 

[Billru]

A few posts in another thread prompted me to finally make this post, which I've been meaning to get tp for a while now.

The subject is newbs, and now their give advice here sometimes with regard to appropriate species.

We often see threads about which T is appropriate for a newb, and often see someone claiming they did just fine with an H. Mac or a pokie as their first T...two T's that most will agree are certainly not appropriate for a beginner.

Here's the thing, if you've been keeping other kinds of exotic animals, snakes, lizards...things that take some management, a certain skill set, and can possibly hurt you if you make a mistake, or grew up messing with spiders and scorpions, I submit that when you keep your first T, you're not really a newb in the classic sense. Very far from! You come out of the box with a skill set that might enable you to deal with a pokie as your first T.

This is in stark contrast to someone who has ZERO experience keeping any kind of exotic animal or herp, has cat or dog husbandry as a baseline, and might even be a mild arachnophobe in some cases, or at least someone skittish themselves around spiders. I've seen this many times with newcomers to the hobby. This is who I'm talking to...this is who I assume I'm dealing with when someone claims newb...NEWB status. Not necessarily that they're a mild arachnophobe, but that they are a true beginner to critters of this sort. This is NOT The person whom you generally tell "you can keep an H. mac, no worries, I did" Yet I see this routinely on this board, without bothering to check on the person's background, and what their comfort level actually is.

I think some forget over time what it's like to truly be new to these animals, and not be acclimatized, and not desensitized to having a huge, fast spider around. Some of you manage not to soil yourselves when a Pokie climbs on your hand, but many newbs are anxious about the thought of holding an avic!

Finally, I'm not making the leap that nobody in the second category has ever been OK keeping a pokie out of the gate...nothing is all the time. So no need to jump in and refute...I'm making a generalization, but a generalization that most of the time will serve the newcomers to their advantage.
So when I jump in and contradict someone who's knee-jerk reaction is to say "go for the Pokie" you'll know why.

That is all...back to making dinner with me!

Well, I disagree to this point. I am new with Ts. I have been around exotic animals all my life. From 15 foot burmese pythons to birds to currently ball pythons. When my daughter and I decided to buy a T we went out and researched what it would take to house one, and the kind of T we would enjoy. We ended up buying a brachy. I had no intention of buying any T that could hurt me or be a little more difficult to house. Believe me I am pretty sure you were talking about me when you where referring to someone that has been around for a while. We have learned the hard way that is always best to start with something easy so it will be a positive experience for everyone. I would have loved to buy a birdeater or an ornamental but it would have just been really stressful and not fun for us to have as our first T. We are enjoying our little girl and we have been blessed to have found this website to help get us off in the right direction.

Regards,
Bill R.

 

[Fran]

Well, I disagree to this point. I am new with Ts. I have been around exotic animals all my life. From 15 foot burmese pythons to birds to currently ball pythons. When my daughter and I decided to buy a T we went out and researched what it would take to house one, and the kind of T we would enjoy. We ended up buying a brachy. I had no intention of buying any T that could hurt me or be a little more difficult to house. Believe me I am pretty sure you were talking about me when you where referring to someone that has been around for a while. We have learned the hard way that is always best to start with something easy so it will be a positive experience for everyone. I would have loved to buy a birdeater or an ornamental but it would have just been really stressful and not fun for us to have as our first T. We are enjoying our little girl and we have been blessed to have found this website to help get us off in the right direction.

Regards,
Bill R.

But then you dont disagree with JimM, right ?

What JimM says is that, someone like you with experiencie in this kind of animals is not really a newby in this, but have skills and the mind pre set to handle better situations like a T scape...Etc.

Am I lost here?

 

[Billru]

What I am saying and I may have been vague. Sorry. I am saying that with anything new previous experience can only go so far. When I decided to buy a T, I treated it like I have had no experience at all. I bought the same T that any begginer should have bought. I don't believe with Ts previous experience like mine could have preparred me to buy a difficult T to keep. Belive me I wanted an ornamental or a big bird eater bad, but even with my experience with animals I did not believe it would have been a positive experience like it has been so far with the Brachy. So I guess I do disagree about me being able to have bought an ornamental or something like that.

Regards,
Bill R.