The difference between a newb and a NEWB.

JimM

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A few posts in another thread prompted me to finally make this post, which I've been meaning to get tp for a while now.

The subject is newbs, and now their give advice here sometimes with regard to appropriate species.

We often see threads about which T is appropriate for a newb, and often see someone claiming they did just fine with an H. Mac or a pokie as their first T...two T's that most will agree are certainly not appropriate for a beginner.

Here's the thing, if you've been keeping other kinds of exotic animals, snakes, lizards...things that take some management, a certain skill set, and can possibly hurt you if you make a mistake, or grew up messing with spiders and scorpions, I submit that when you keep your first T, you're not really a newb in the classic sense. Very far from! You come out of the box with a skill set that might enable you to deal with a pokie as your first T.

This is in stark contrast to someone who has ZERO experience keeping any kind of exotic animal or herp, has cat or dog husbandry as a baseline, and might even be a mild arachnophobe in some cases, or at least someone skittish themselves around spiders. I've seen this many times with newcomers to the hobby. This is who I'm talking to...this is who I assume I'm dealing with when someone claims newb...NEWB status. Not necessarily that they're a mild arachnophobe, but that they are a true beginner to critters of this sort. This is NOT The person whom you generally tell "you can keep an H. mac, no worries, I did" Yet I see this routinely on this board, without bothering to check on the person's background, and what their comfort level actually is.

I think some forget over time what it's like to truly be new to these animals, and not be acclimatized, and not desensitized to having a huge, fast spider around. Some of you manage not to soil yourselves when a Pokie climbs on your hand, but many newbs are anxious about the thought of holding an avic!

Finally, I'm not making the leap that nobody in the second category has ever been OK keeping a pokie out of the gate...nothing is all the time. So no need to jump in and refute...I'm making a generalization, but a generalization that most of the time will serve the newcomers to their advantage.
So when I jump in and contradict someone who's knee-jerk reaction is to say "go for the Pokie" you'll know why.

That is all...back to making dinner with me!
 

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What kind of dinner are we making?

(I agree with your post, btw).
 

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I was going to make a Thai/coconut chicken dish, but no chicken in the freezer - ugh!...so now it's oatmeal.

That's fine, sometimes oatmeal hits the spot.
 

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I have to say I agree with this. Never thought of it this way but it really does make sense. I guess Im not a NEWB since I keep Ball Pythons and know about exotic animal husbandry lol good to know Im just a newb :D Although I know Im not personally ready for a pokie or OBT.
 

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I totally agree with you on this topic. My first t was an o.b.t but i read up and did my homework, Yet most people new to the hobby hope theyll get all they need from this site no homework needed
 

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I totally agree with you on this topic. My first t was an o.b.t but i read up and did my homework, Yet most people new to the hobby hope theyll get all they need from this site no homework needed
I did extensive research too and came to the conclusion that because I was getting over being arachnaphobic (being the main reason) a G.pulchripes was right for me to start with.
 

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Hey Jim, I read your post, then went back to the thread you were most likely referencing (hey, it's the only 'best beginner' thread on page one!) and I realized that the first few of us all mentioned: pokies, h macs, and obts. It was kind of funny but... at the same time, it hit me how serious this probably is to the COMPLETE noob that you're describing.
 

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True spiders still scare wont lie haha, something about a big fuzzball doesnt bother me but true spiders freak me out. I respect them though, and ughh huntsman spiders make my skin crawl they move odd
 

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i agree with your post.
but i also believe that if someone,even a NEWB,has utmost confidence in getting a defensive T as a starter,why not.
you live and you learn.
 

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You normally find that someone who tries to tell someone what they should or should not get and then tell them that it is because they are a "newb"........normally consider themselves to be "experts".......a bit of a joke really.Them and us sort of thing.
If you feel confident,why not get the spider you want.
 

JimM

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You normally find that someone who tries to tell someone what they should or should not get and then tell them that it is because they are a "newb"........normally consider themselves to be "experts".......a bit of a joke really.Them and us sort of thing.
If you feel confident,why not get the spider you want.
Not really the point, and with me it's never been "them and us", ever.
Whether giving advice on a reef forum or here, I always look out for the person on question. If I have information that tells me in my estimation that they can successfully keep a certain coral, or fish, or in this case a tarantula, then I'll say so. No ego, no sideways agenda.
On the other hand I'm careful about making an assumption that could lead to a disappointing, dangerous, or frustrating experience for them...that's all.

Confidence goes a long way, but many don't have a reference point...which is the point of my post.
 

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You normally find that someone who tries to tell someone what they should or should not get and then tell them that it is because they are a "newb"........normally consider themselves to be "experts".......a bit of a joke really.Them and us sort of thing.
If you feel confident,why not get the spider you want.
Because:

Doing research > Feeling confident
 

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Because:

Doing research > Feeling confident
Or if you look at it another way.............

Doing research = Feeling confident..... but...... Feeling confident < Experience

i have kept a Ball Python for a month, for a friend(not correctly i know now, because of his lack of research); but otherwise we just had cats. We agreed to a P. murinus freebie in our first set of slings, but we read up and were as prepared/ confident as we could be. We still underestimated it though, so i don't recommend them as beginner Ts.
 

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Hmm...

Doing research doesn't always mean you're going to feel confident about getting the spider. It might do just the opposite...change your mind.

I agree that feeling confident < experience, but you can't gain experience if you don't feel confident enough to do your research and get a spider. :}

Whew!
 

maitre

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Research never made me confident. I mean, how can you develop confidence by reading some words or watching some videos? Confidence builds up from experience.. But one must be knowledgable before beginning to attempt to gain experience.

All my research before getting my pokies just made me EXTREMELY cautious. Probably a little more than necessary but, hey, better safe than sorry!!!
 

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Great post. I've actually been thinking about this a lot lately. I waited (a little) before I got my first pokie. I was nervous and the venom frightened me. In retrospect, I could have started out with a pokie just fine. I had years of experience with other exotics, and am always one to overprepare for a new tarantula.

IMO, those that post the "should I get a pokie" types of threads are those that aren't prepared for it. For one thing, it shows a lack of sufficient research, but it also clearly shows that they already have their doubts. Now, doubts are a good thing, but I wouldn't want to work with a fast, skittish tarantula if I was going to be skittish myself. A month or two with a Psalmo instead of a pokie, and those doubts should be gone. This board isn't a place where people judge whether or not you are capable of keeping an H. mac or an S. cal. The confidence that you can handle it comes from yourself, and not from someone on AB saying it'll be fine.
 
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