Rock Python Kills Husky in Fl

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I missed a classic photo op a while back. An older man in our village had a chunky python wrapped in a tree in his back yard. Unlike most locals he had a conservation streak in him. He cut the tree branch off, around 15 feet of it, balanced it on his shoulder with snake and branch weighing probably well more than 100 lbs, hopped in his motorcycle and relocated snake and branch up into the hills. I need to go tell him he should have been terrified I suppose.
 

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I missed a classic photo op a while back. An older man in our village had a chunky python wrapped in a tree in his back yard. Unlike most locals he had a conservation streak in him. He cut the tree branch off, around 15 feet of it, balanced it on his shoulder with snake and branch weighing probably well more than 100 lbs, hopped in his motorcycle and relocated snake and branch up into the hills. I need to go tell him he should have been terrified I suppose.
Don't you just hate it when that happens (missing photo op)! Some of the funniest/most interesting things happen when the camera isn't around!
 

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I love dogs, and I'm probably more attached to mine than is generally reasonable. So this article makes me very sad. In the exact same way that I'd be sad if the husky were hit by a car, or poisoned by a disgruntled neighbor, or contracted a disease. The fact is, s*** happens. It's sad, but you can't stop beloved pets from dying in rare accidents. And that's exactly what this was, a RARE accident.

You don't ban snakes or change your lifestyle or pass laws because one really bad thing happened. You just mourn, learn to accept that you live on planet Earth, where nothing and no one is ever truly safe, and carry on with your life.
 

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A majority of the invasive reptiles in Florida have only established themselves in human altered habitats. In fact, a lot of them have taken over areas that the natives could not exist in anymore because the habitat is too altered. They are able to establish because the native competition has been extirpated already.
Thank you, lancej! People do not realize just how much, and how badly, even the "inner sanctum" of the Everglades has been altered by humans. The sugar cane industry, one of the biggest industries in FL, had already had a tremendous negative impact on the ecosystems of southern Florida long before the pythons came into the act, and that does include the Everglades National Park. That whole area is fed by waterways that have been diverted, dammed up, and polluted by agriculture and industry, even if those things are not allowed within the park's boundaries. Politicians are trying to be "green heroes" by being the one to "save" the Everglades and return it to whatever state it was in before the sugar cane industry, before, the tourist industry, before the highway systems and before the massive influx of "snowbirds" on southern Florida, and the pythons and other non-native wildlife have become symbolic for their efforts. They think that by eliminating these, they can finally establish "saving the Glades" as their legacy, but in reality, the pythons and other animals are just a tiny piece of a big picture, and it's not a very pretty picture, either.

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I saw a show on Nat Geo Wild I think that talked about those dams. They showed how the gators were making even more gator holes and that the whole area was drying up and suffering because of it.
 

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Thank you, lancej! People do not realize just how much, and how badly, even the "inner sanctum" of the Everglades has been altered by humans. The sugar cane industry, one of the biggest industries in FL, had already had a tremendous negative impact on the ecosystems of southern Florida long before the pythons came into the act, and that does include the Everglades National Park. That whole area is fed by waterways that have been diverted, dammed up, and polluted by agriculture and industry, even if those things are not allowed within the park's boundaries. Politicians are trying to be "green heroes" by being the one to "save" the Everglades and return it to whatever state it was in before the sugar cane industry, before, the tourist industry, before the highway systems and before the massive influx of "snowbirds" on southern Florida, and the pythons and other non-native wildlife have become symbolic for their efforts. They think that by eliminating these, they can finally establish "saving the Glades" as their legacy, but in reality, the pythons and other animals are just a tiny piece of a big picture, and it's not a very pretty picture, either.

pitbulllady
All the invasive plants that are running rampant are rarely discussed, and they are one of the biggest problems in preventing the ecosystem from getting back to a more normal state. Can you imagine the uproar that would ensue if the state ban the use of exotic plants in landscaping?
I am to the point now that I almost welcome the invasive herps. I would prefer to see them than a herp-less, neatly landscaped abomination. Besides, they become part of the bottom of the food chain when they venture into the few "natural" habitats left. Also, I would like to point out that since the python population has gotten bigger, so has the population of American crocodiles. It hasn't been stated yet, but I believe that this is at least in part due to the decrease in population of raccoons and possums ( as well as feral cats and dogs) - that are major predators on crocodile eggs. Since there weren't any big terrestrial predators (Florida panthers) to keep their population in check, they got out of control.
 

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All the invasive plants that are running rampant are rarely discussed, and they are one of the biggest problems in preventing the ecosystem from getting back to a more normal state. Can you imagine the uproar that would ensue if the state ban the use of exotic plants in landscaping?
Too bad plants don't eat dogs... then maybe people would take it more seriously ha. I remember not too long ago the environmental club on my campus tried to get the school to let them remove the invasive Phragmites from one of the foot paths and got hit with such resistance from management just because they considered it an "ornamental", despite the fact they hadn't even planted it in the first place and the patch slowly grows in size each year... Here in Michigan we have BIG problems with invasive organisms just like Florida, but since none of them have rows of razor sharp teeth (except sea lampreys...) they don't usually get much press coverage.
 

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What we really need is an invasive animal as durable and able to procreate as what the Himalayan Blackberry has done in the Pacific Northwest: "Oh look mom, a snake! No, three... no 12, no.. maybe a hundred?"
 

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All the invasive plants that are running rampant are rarely discussed, and they are one of the biggest problems in preventing the ecosystem from getting back to a more normal state. Can you imagine the uproar that would ensue if the state ban the use of exotic plants in landscaping?
I am to the point now that I almost welcome the invasive herps. I would prefer to see them than a herp-less, neatly landscaped abomination. Besides, they become part of the bottom of the food chain when they venture into the few "natural" habitats left. Also, I would like to point out that since the python population has gotten bigger, so has the population of American crocodiles. It hasn't been stated yet, but I believe that this is at least in part due to the decrease in population of raccoons and possums ( as well as feral cats and dogs) - that are major predators on crocodile eggs. Since there weren't any big terrestrial predators (Florida panthers) to keep their population in check, they got out of control.
I wish we could ban the outdoor planting of invasive plants. People don't understand the degree to which our ecosystem depends on native plants. Most plants don't want to be eaten so they go out of their way to taste bad and even be toxic to animals, only those species that have developed evolutionary relationships with said plants can eat them. Caterpillars will not eat non-native plants, so the birds that eat caterpillars won't be able to eat so the animals that eat them won't have food and on and on up the food chain. North America is losing it's biodiversity in part for this reason. A snake that can barely survive in southern Florida and eats what a few rodents a year per snake isn't the problem.

Fulene said:
I AGREE with you! Children are no longer safe from large invasives. I think FL should go back to managing alligator populations too.
"Oh will somebody please think of the children!" This sentiment disgusts me, the alligators were there before us maybe we should start managing human populations instead.
 

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NO, these "things" CANNOT "adapt"! There have indeed been several scientific studies to look into just that very scenario, including one conducted right here in South Carolina, where I live, which have conclusively proven that tropical species like pythons CAN NOT ADAPT and WILL DIE when exposed to even OUR relatively mild winters, which pale in comparison to what you experience in OK, on the Great Plains! These snakes have absolutely NO hibernation mechanism whatsoever, and in fact, do just the opposite of what would be needed to survive a winter, moving out into the open, where it's much colder, rather than going underground. This is why reproducing populations of these animals, as opposed to random escapees or even deliberately abandoned animals, are limited to just ONE area of the US-southern Florida. This is the only habitat which has a climate that comes even close to what these snakes are adapted to. I've kept and bred large, tropical constrictors since I was 12, probably for much longer than you've even been alive, so I can claim what you cannot: first-hand, hands-on, up-close, real EXPERIENCE working with them. Experience vs. hearsay, rumors and wives' tales is pretty much a non-contest there.
And HERE'S a big news flash for ya: Alligators are NATIVE to the southern part of Oklahoma! Check out this range map: http://nas2.er.usgs.gov/viewer/GetS...tle=Alligator mississippiensis &speciesid=221 You're moaning and complaining about a NATIVE predator reclaiming part of its original range, claiming that it's an "exotic"!
pitbulllady
Well, I can see why you call yourself pitbulllady! I'm not moaning about native predators. I'm not calling alligators invasives. I'm not saying pythons could adapt OVERNIGHT. Un less you've been alive since 1942 I've probably had more experience than you! People can't read these days.

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Here in NJ, I just found out that a friend of a guy I talk to all the time was moving and simply released it. In a city. It was found near a burger king. 10 foot python! And I know ive met the guy too, but no arrests have been made. Its really sad that there are people especially in the hobby that are that irresponsible. People around here are all afraid of snakes now!! Its crazy that people dont realize that most of the world is not dominated by humans (yet) there is still so much more to be discovered and there are always going to be predators like this is the wild. Sad that people dont realize this

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Thanks, that's what I was talking about! Irresponsible owners dumping exotics. It's sad for the dumpees like the poor Tegu lizard I mentioned, and, as I stated before, exotic fish are being found in our lakes here in OK. BTW, we have quite large native snakes here. Yes, sadly, people want to kill every snake they see.

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A majority of the invasive reptiles in Florida have only established themselves in human altered habitats. In fact, a lot of them have taken over areas that the natives could not exist in anymore because the habitat is too altered. They are able to establish because the native competition has been extirpated already.
This is not true. Burmese Pythons are doing serious damage in the Everglades of FL displacing and putting major dents in populations of many kinds of native species. This is why they now conduct massive " open season " hunt events for them, inviting any and all to participate. The Burmese pythons are a REAL problem there.

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Thank you, lancej! People do not realize just how much, and how badly, even the "inner sanctum" of the Everglades has been altered by humans. The sugar cane industry, one of the biggest industries in FL, had already had a tremendous negative impact on the ecosystems of southern Florida long before the pythons came into the act, and that does include the Everglades National Park. That whole area is fed by waterways that have been diverted, dammed up, and polluted by agriculture and industry, even if those things are not allowed within the park's boundaries. Politicians are trying to be "green heroes" by being the one to "save" the Everglades and return it to whatever state it was in before the sugar cane industry, before, the tourist industry, before the highway systems and before the massive influx of "snowbirds" on southern Florida, and the pythons and other non-native wildlife have become symbolic for their efforts. They think that by eliminating these, they can finally establish "saving the Glades" as their legacy, but in reality, the pythons and other animals are just a tiny piece of a big picture, and it's not a very pretty picture, either.

pitbulllady
YEAH!! Whatever happened to the ladies on waterskis standing in pyramids on each others shoulders? LOL

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I wish we could ban the outdoor planting of invasive plants. People don't understand the degree to which our ecosystem depends on native plants. Most plants don't want to be eaten so they go out of their way to taste bad and even be toxic to animals, only those species that have developed evolutionary relationships with said plants can eat them. Caterpillars will not eat non-native plants, so the birds that eat caterpillars won't be able to eat so the animals that eat them won't have food and on and on up the food chain. North America is losing it's biodiversity in part for this reason. A snake that can barely survive in southern Florida and eats what a few rodents a year per snake isn't the problem.



"Oh will somebody please think of the children!" This sentiment disgusts me, the alligators were there before us maybe we should start managing human populations instead.
My point is simply that huge pythons are capable of killing dogs and even mature humans. They're not aggressive but they CAN do it. If a dog in a yard can be killed, so can a child. While American alligators are not " invasives" they are found all over the place in S. FL. In ponds, swimming pools, golf course water hazards, parks, yards. I'm not advocating wiping them out, just saying, they can be a problem.
 

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Well, I can see why you call yourself pitbulllady! I'm not moaning about native predators. I'm not calling alligators invasives. I'm not saying pythons could adapt OVERNIGHT. Un less you've been alive since 1942 I've probably had more experience than you! People can't read these days.

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Thanks, that's what I was talking about! Irresponsible owners dumping exotics. It's sad for the dumpees like the poor Tegu lizard I mentioned, and, as I stated before, exotic fish are being found in our lakes here in OK. BTW, we have quite large native snakes here. Yes, sadly, people want to kill every snake they see.

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This is not true. Burmese Pythons are doing serious damage in the Everglades of FL displacing and putting major dents in populations of many kinds of native species. This is why they now conduct massive " open season " hunt events for them, inviting any and all to participate. The Burmese pythons are a REAL problem there.

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YEAH!! Whatever happened to the ladies on waterskis standing in pyramids on each others shoulders? LOL

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My point is simply that huge pythons are capable of killing dogs and even mature humans. They're not aggressive but they CAN do it. If a dog in a yard can be killed, so can a child. While American alligators are not " invasives" they are found all over the place in S. FL. In ponds, swimming pools, golf course water hazards, parks, yards. I'm not advocating wiping them out, just saying, they can be a problem.
Well, now technically, Fulene, a pecan tree in your yard can fall on and kill a child, so do we need to remove all the trees, too, while we're at this business of "controlling" anything that can hurt a child? I despise that mentality, that "we need to get rid of it because the next time it could be a child" mentality, because logically it falls flat, period. It's based on pure emotion, not reason. There is a HUGE difference in having the POTENTIAL to cause harm and the actual real TENDENCY to cause harm, and in this particular case, the one being harmed-the dog-put itself in that position by no doubt attacking the snake. I also cannot sympathize with people who MOVE INTO WILDLIFE HABITAT, knowingly and willingly, and then complain that there are *GASP*-WILD ANIMALS-there. Alligators in Florida's water hazards on golf courses, in people's swimming pools? REALLY? HELLO, people, you moved to FLORIDA! It ain't Connecticut or Boston! If you don't like the wildlife we have here in the South, stay up north where there are no gators and rattlesnakes and other scary critters! Don't come down here and complain and whine about things that were here millions of years before any of us were!
And yes, people DO dump exotics, and I will include domestic cats and dogs in that designation, too, BUT finding an abandoned Tegu or a Ball Python where you live does NOT necessarily mean that those animals are establishing breeding populations in the wild and will become invasive! My sister recently found a Chihuahua scavenging from a dead possum on the side of the road out in the middle of nowhere, what appears to be a purebred, tiny little Chihuahua. Does that mean that they have to worry about packs of feral Chihuahuas now? Nope, it doesn't!

Now, as for that claim that the pythons in south Florida are wrecking the environment, a causing a mass decline in the populations of native wild mammals there, I will let Dr. Frank Mazzotti, Professor of wildlife ecology and conservation, University of Florida, one of the leading researchers of the python problem in Florida, address that issue HERE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-mazzotti/pythons-everglades-study_b_1257911.html . The plain truth is that no one KNOWS what the real impact of these snakes is, what effect they are having, because there are too many variables in play in this situation. We have a very damaged ecosystem, and it was very damaged long before the pythons showed up, and it was damaged by JUST the very things that you mentioned and seem to hold quite dear, including those swimming pools, golf course water hazards, parks, yards. Think THOSE are part of the natural Everglades ecosystem?

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This is not true. Burmese Pythons are doing serious damage in the Everglades of FL displacing and putting major dents in populations of many kinds of native species. This is why they now conduct massive " open season " hunt events for them, inviting any and all to participate. The Burmese pythons are a REAL problem there.


My point is simply that huge pythons are capable of killing dogs and even mature humans. They're not aggressive but they CAN do it. If a dog in a yard can be killed, so can a child. While American alligators are not " invasives" they are found all over the place in S. FL. In ponds, swimming pools, golf course water hazards, parks, yards. I'm not advocating wiping them out, just saying, they can be a problem.
The Everglades had been majorly altered, and now the state is in the process of trying to restore it. The Burmese is a problem, but a VERY SMALL problem. The 2013 python hunt had 1600 participants and yielded 68 pythons. Even the biologists that have either following the study or are involved in the study have stated that this problem is largely over stated, mainly by the media.
Your other point about pythons and alligators being able to kill adult humans, well so can dogs, horses, cattle, pigs. Should we ban all POTENTIALLY dangerous animals that are in captivity - domestic and exotic? Should we reinstate the bounties that states had for all dangerous wild animals, also, like cougars, wolves, alligators, etc.? Education about how to live with these animals is a more practical solution. The state of Florida already has a program to deal with nuisance animals, including alligators and pythons.
 

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Even the biologists that have either following the study or are involved in the study have stated that this problem is largely over stated, mainly by the media.
The way the media makes it sound, I should be fighting Burms and Nile monitors every time I go to my car. Strangely, I have seen none. Yet I see all kinds of cats running wild and killing small animals indiscriminately...
 

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"She and her son tried prying the python loose, she said, then tried using garden shears on it, but nothing would make the snake loosen its death grip" Sad they didn't try harder... all it takes is a shovel to take a snake's head off. At 38 pounds this wasn't even a big one... yet another fail story from Florida.

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another "huge problem" in south florida is the green iguana. it's open season on these horrible monsters that are being killed for eating flowers in people's yards.
 

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I always find it comical when the media hypes people into histrionic reactions. Freaking out about a constrictor snake (they might kill a dozen people a year world wide) then think nothing of driving in a car or motorcycle which kills >300,000 people a year.
 

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I've considered buying one of the wild caught argentine tegus that I see for sale from Florida every so often. I have enough room for another one or two in my giant cages.
 

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I always find it comical when the media hypes people into histrionic reactions. Freaking out about a constrictor snake (they might kill a dozen people a year world wide) then think nothing of driving in a car or motorcycle which kills >300,000 people a year.
Another example: People killed by cows each year in the U.S. - 22
People killed by sharks each year worldwide - around 10
 

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Another example: People killed by cows each year in the U.S. - 22
People killed by sharks each year worldwide - around 10
Blow dryers kill 17 people a year, why don't we get rid of blow dryers too? And to Fulene why are you so against owing exotic pets? You don't seem as experienced as you claim to be especially because it seems like you believe everything the media tells you. Anytime you hear something from the media you ALWAYS take it with a grain of salt because there is always some opinions put in
 

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Not sure if thats sarcasm, but how does a blow dryer kill someone? And I was just pointing out odd facts.
Home electrocution accidents. Believe it or not, people still use blow dryers while in the bath tub. The other common one is blow drying hair or an electric razor while leaning at the sink, a hand on the metal faucet. The one that really worries me is the new electric toilets that flush themselves. I'm admittedly plumb stone crazy but I'm still not going to relieve myself into a 240 volt appliance. I'll leave that to the people afraid a constrictor is going to eat them if they go out into their back yard.
 
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