Roaches and oranges

[Pacmaster]

As I said, this particular thread is about roaches and oranges, hence the title . . .
If you want to start a new thread about how great lettuce is, feel free . . .

BTW, vitamin A(especially too much) is not the greatest for any kind of herp that I ever kept . . .

A better source of vit A would be beta carotene, as vitA is converted as needed . . .
Too much Vit A causes serious problems, so you cant really use that arguement with me- google it if you dont believe me . . .

 

[skips]

I don't believe there has been any kind of study on the need for fiber in the diet of roaches. I've never known one to be constipated from lack of fiber or to get diarrhea from too much leafy greens in the diet. You can't compare their dietary needs to human needs - their anatomy is completely different not only in the parts they have but what they're made of. Since many of them eat leaves and fruit in the wild it seems obvious they would get sufficient fiber (if they need it) from a diet which includes these items. I'm pretty sure it isn't the sugar in oranges that they crave as mine show no interest in a lo of other sweet foods.[/QUOTEI]

I agree

 

[Pacmaster]

Well fiber probably helps push food through so they can eat even more, which would result in faster growth. I have to eat my veggies every time I eat protein or I cant get down enough food for the day, hitting the gym ftw.

How would a high fiber diet produce faster growth, the roaches would be passing the food too quickly to pull any real nutrition from it.
With feeders, you want all the good stuff to STAY IN THEM for a while . . .
It causes damp, mold-producing conditions in the colony, but like I said- feel free.

I like a good debate as much as the next guy, but the debaters here are just too far off base for me to argue any further.

 

[Pacmaster]

And I think the real debate here is not vitamins at all, cause who really knows what vitamins all these various animals we keep need, and in what quantity?

The real debate is about carbohydrates, or ENERGY, imo.

 

[skips]

How would a high fiber diet produce faster growth, the roaches would be passing the food too quickly to pull any real nutrition from it.
With feeders, you want all the good stuff to STAY IN THEM for a while . . .
It causes damp, mold-producing conditions in the colony, but like I said- feel free.

I like a good debate as much as the next guy, but the debaters here are just too far off base for me to argue any further.

fiber is not a diuretic, it just regulates and makes food pass through at a natural pace. It wouldnt push anything out faster and plus, are we talking about roughage or soluble fiber? You seem to be talking about roughage.

As for vitamins, sure they're a different species, but biochemically I they probably need about the same nutrients we do. On that im speaking from conjecture. However, sugar is useless. I gaurantee they're getting enough sugar. if you really want to get into the biochemistry of sugar metabolism we can do that, but vitamins are also important. They're often essential enzymes or enzyme cofactors necessary for proper growth and nutrition. Like I said, there's a different between your roaches living and them thriving.

To be honest though, I am guessing as to the nutritional needs of invertebrates. I just assume based on basic evolutionary biology. I mean, I can say with confidence that the roaches need these vitamins. What I can't say is whether they can extract them from other source due to say, the bacteria in their gut being different than ours.

 

[blazetown]

Well fiber probably helps push food through so they can eat even more, which would result in faster growth. I have to eat my veggies every time I eat protein or I cant get down enough food for the day, hitting the gym ftw.

Yeah my horrible diet results in things like this. Massive protein, sugar and carb intake which leaves me not hungry enough for things anything else lol.

 

[skips]

Yeah my horrible diet results in things like this. Massive protein, sugar and carb intake which leaves me not hungry enough for things anything else lol.

protein will definitely do that. Take a wiff some lion dooky if you have a chance....soooo nasty. Haha, take some metamucil man.

 

[biomarine2000]

I'm in the same boat as all of you. I have a dubia and lateralis colony. The lats devour the oranges like there is not tomorrow. I wasn't noticing any babies in the lats colony and after I fed oranges, WOW did I ever notice a difference. As for the dubia, they prefer to get carrots. I definately prefer the lats because I dont have a single t that doesn't eat them. I currently have over 80 t's. Not all of my t's like the dubia, especially the roseas.

 

[Pacmaster]

Yeah, my Ts dont really go for the dubias either, but my frogs love em.
I use lobsters for my Ts, and they go for those with gusto.
The lobsters devour the oranges also, with similar results- visual increase of tiny nymphs.

I guess I should add to my end that I dont JUST feed the roaches oranges, they have a homemade roach chow that they grub on, the oranges are the water source.
I dont know, have I said that already?

 

[biomarine2000]

I dont just feed mine oranges either. I checked on my dubia colony last night, which i'm trying not to feed out of so they will grow. I threw in some oranges a few days ago. When I picked up one of the crates I was shocked at the little white dubia babies crawling everywhere. So far I haven't seen them breed like that.

What kind of frogs are you keeping pacmaster?

 

[Pacmaster]

What kind of frogs are you keeping pacmaster?

Pacman frogs- :?

Genus: Ceratophrys
Species: cranwelli, ornata, cornuta

Thats why they call me . . . Pacmaster

 

[biomarine2000]

Oh duh....Sorry I'm not into frogs. If they eat dubia I may do some research and get one.

 

[mike12348]

Oh duh....Sorry I'm not into frogs. If they eat dubia I may do some research and get one.

Don't be suprised if you end up with a room full of frogs :}

 

[BrianWI]

Cockroaches in general have one very important symbiotic relationship with bacteroids living in special cells, mycetocytes, in their fat body tissue. The bacteroids are passed from generation to generation as a thin coating on their eggs, between the chorion and the oocyte cell membrane. During embryology these bacteroids invest in the female future ovary and the developing fat body tissue. The bacteroids produce all the vitamins needed by the cockroach with the exception of choline and cholesterol which remain as the only essential vitamins of the cockroach. The close relatives, termites and preying mantids have lost or never gained this type of symbiont. They must get their vitamins, like Vit A and D, in their food.

As for the need of vitamins, see above.

 

[Pacmaster]

Don't be suprised if you end up with a room full of frogs :}

Yeah, careful . . .

 

[arachyd]

BryanWI, where is that quote from?

 

[Pacmaster]

Was wondering that myself . . .
Id like to read the entire article or whatever it is!

 

[skips]

As for the need of vitamins, see above.

very cool. Please let us know where you picked that up. I'd like to do some reading. Interesting that they need cholosterol and choline. So basically, they just need lipid components that mediate cell signaling. bacteria are the shisnit.

 

[skips]

http://www.jstor.org/stable/1537371...tem=2&ttl=16&returnArticleService=showArticle

http://www.jstor.org/stable/1749798...tem=1&ttl=16&returnArticleService=showArticle

http://www.jstor.org/stable/1538656...tem=3&ttl=16&returnArticleService=showArticle

found a few articles. I hope these work.

 

[arachyd]

The middle link came up as blank and the rest seems to indicate that the information given isn't verified. I'd like to know where the quote actually came from.