questions about buying from the for sale/want to buy/trade section

Jacobchinarian

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I have no idea how this works. So do i pay pal the person money then they ship it or what. I am trying to buy there but have no idea how so could someone please explain it to me.
 

DemonAsh

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Send a PM to the person you are trying to buy from. After that the process is usually as described above but, again, talk to the seller first and make sure. Good luck. :)
 

Redneck

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How you pay is depending on the seller.. I personally will only buy from someone if they have paypal...

A money order, western union, personal check... These are other ways to buy.. But if the seller only takes paypal then you have to have a paypal account..

You pay the cost of spider & shipping to the seller... Then the seller ships the spider on the date you & him have arranged...

There are scammers out there.. So be careful.. If its sounds to good to be true.. It probably is.. Always! Always look at reviews... If the seller does not have any.. Be very cautious! Buying things is at your own risk...
 

jt39565

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Actually the "payer" doesn't have to have a paypal account, the "payee" does, naturally. I agree paypal is much more secure.
 

DemonAsh

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There are scammers out there.. So be careful.. If its sounds to good to be true.. It probably is.. Always! Always look at reviews... If the seller does not have any.. Be very cautious! Buying things is at your own risk...

Forgot to mention that. Tommy is absolutely right. ALWAYS check the reviews.
 

Redneck

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Actually the "payer" doesn't have to have a paypal account, the "payee" does, naturally. I agree paypal is much more secure.
Yeah.. You can always go & get a reloadable CC (credit card) from where ever you get them from.. Load the cost on it.. The pay to the sellers paypal.. I forgot to name that as a possible way..

IMO.. Either a CC (credit card) or paypal is the safest way to purchace something from members here... It is more secure..

If by chance you do happen across a scammer.. Then you MIGHT get your money back if you used paypal or a CC.. (credit card)
 

Hostile

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If you do use PayPal, send the money as a transaction for goods/services, if you send it as a gift then you will waive your rights to PayPal's protection, so just pay the extra and take the hit for the transaction fees, otherwise you'll have zero comeback through PayPal.
 

CAK

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Hey Jacob!

Biggest most important rule... Trust your gut! If they have good reviews and respond to inquiries, they are most likely legit! If they promise you something that is too good to be true, it probably is. and HEAVEN FORBID... If they offer you a nice inheretance from Nigeria, have them call me because the Grand Marshall of Nigeria hasn't returned my calls for my inheretance of USD$13.5millions. :)


What I do when I am dealing with smaller sized breeders and need to protect myself. I ask them to send me a money request via paypal and then I will pay it. That way, if the deal goes sour, you have that added paper trail and you are protected by paypal.

I have ordered TONS and 99% of the people are awesome! It's dodging that 1% that you just have to be careful.

Joe
 

AprilH

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If you do use PayPal, send the money as a transaction for goods/services, if you send it as a gift then you will waive your rights to PayPal's protection, so just pay the extra and take the hit for the transaction fees, otherwise you'll have zero comeback through PayPal.
Don't pay the extra. It's against paypal's rules to require the buyer to absorb the cost of the paypal charge. An honest seller would not ask a buyer to pay extra to cover what is supposed to be their charge, and would not ask you to send it as a gift to avoid paying it. Just my 2 cents...
 

BorisTheSpider

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Don't forget to ask them to get a delivery confirmation number ( assuming you get your Ts sent priority ) and PM it to you . It isn't as good as the tracking you get with express but it will at least let you know when your package is on the way . When I ship I always include it but not everybody does . Also , check to see that they have a good review or two . I'm not saying that you shouldn't buy from someone if they don't just that you want to make sure that they actually know how to ship Ts . A poorly packed T doesn't stand a good chance of surviving the trip .
 

Hostile

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Don't pay the extra. It's against paypal's rules to require the buyer to absorb the cost of the paypal charge. An honest seller would not ask a buyer to pay extra to cover what is supposed to be their charge, and would not ask you to send it as a gift to avoid paying it. Just my 2 cents...
PayPal's rules hold little weight when you're dealing with a private transaction on a third party site.

A lot of people on forums, etc, list the prices expecting the payment to be sent as a gift, so they get the amount they listed, but if he's a little nervous, it's well worth just paying the extra, instead of waiving any of PayPal's protection, or missing out on a good deal.

If the seller has taken fees into consideration, etc, then of course don't pay the fees for them, but if they want it sent as a gift because they haven't offset the fees in their listed price, then just pay the fees if you want a little peace of mind and don't want to miss out on the deal.
 

CAK

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PayPal's rules hold little weight when you're dealing with a private transaction on a third party site.

A lot of people on forums, etc, list the prices expecting the payment to be sent as a gift, so they get the amount they listed, but if he's a little nervous, it's well worth just paying the extra, instead of waiving any of PayPal's protection, or missing out on a good deal.

If the seller has taken fees into consideration, etc, then of course don't pay the fees for them, but if they want it sent as a gift because they haven't offset the fees in their listed price, then just pay the fees if you want a little peace of mind and don't want to miss out on the deal.
Sounds like Paypal runs a bit differently in the states. As a purchaser, I have never paid the fees... As a seller, I always eat the fees. I figure the couple of bucks is well worth the extra convenience.

If I am purchasing from someone I don't know. I make them send me a money request and indicate what it is I am buying. that way once I pay, I am protected by paypal if something doesn't go right.
 

Hostile

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Sounds like Paypal runs a bit differently in the states. As a purchaser, I have never paid the fees... As a seller, I always eat the fees. I figure the couple of bucks is well worth the extra convenience.

If I am purchasing from someone I don't know. I make them send me a money request and indicate what it is I am buying. that way once I pay, I am protected by paypal if something doesn't go right.
I've personally been a member of few communities where the accepted convention isn't to send payments as a gift to save/make everyone involved a little extra.

I find it far more common for sales on specialised community sites like this to be transacted as gifts, rather than services/goods, since there is a level of trust borne through the nature of the hobby.

Hence just giving him a heads up on the implications of the whole gift/goods PayPal paradigm ;)
 

Hostile

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Sounds more like a way to rip off paypal... not a trust thing.
You think people are acting in orchestrated sedition towards PayPal?

Rather than wanting to help out like minded individuals (to the detriment of their own stake if things go sour) and nurture a tight community, a trait that's especially pervasive in niche hobbies/activities.

Very cynical of you.

I feel this becoming extraneous now though, we should maybe keep it on topic with posts related to assisting Jacob in his transactions ;)
 

Bill S

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You think people are acting in orchestrated sedition towards PayPal?

Rather than wanting to help out like minded individuals (to the detriment of their own stake if things go sour) and nurture a tight community, a trait that's especially pervasive in niche hobbies/activities.

Very cynical of you.

I feel this becoming extraneous now though, we should maybe keep it on topic with posts related to assisting Jacob in his transactions ;)
I'll agree with Opiate on this. PayPal is a business, not a charity. They facilitate other businesses, and have a right to charge for their services. This "nurturing a tight community" seems to really be "nurturing an unethical community". And this is on topic - since Jacob is asking for advice on conducting business with us, promoting ethical business practices is good advice for him. (I always feel better dealing with honest people - and I don't feel that makes me cynical.)
 

Hostile

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I'll agree with Opiate on this. PayPal is a business, not a charity. They facilitate other businesses, and have a right to charge for their services. This "nurturing a tight community" seems to really be "nurturing an unethical community". And this is on topic - since Jacob is asking for advice on conducting business with us, promoting ethical business practices is good advice for him. (I always feel better dealing with honest people - and I don't feel that makes me cynical.)
PayPal is a business, yes, and this is why when transacting as a gift, you receive the bare minimum, the transfer of funds, you don't reap the benefits of their other services and resources, this is why they offer such a service.

It's a very foolish view to think that 'Gift' is some sort of underhanded loophole facilitated by dishonest traders, it's merely one of the many levels of services that PayPal offer, you're doing them out of nothing.

And if you judge the honesty of a man based on the lip service he gives to a corporation with vast skeletons in their closest, opposed to what good deeds and favours he does for other like minded individuals and his community, then I would suggest you reevaluate your judgement skills.

Maybe I have the wrong impression of this forum, but it struck me as the sort of close knit and endearing community that would perpetuate these faculties to its best ability, and this (in my vast experience of web communities) may result in a lot of deals being transacted as gifts (hence advising Jacob about the intricacies of this) especially in such niche areas, just to help each other out, however small the monetary amount, it is the environment that has borne such a level of trust that such behaviour is the convention, to the end that the default position is to trust everyone, not to be cynical and suspicious, which is the important thing, not the monetary gains which you seem to have unreasonably vilified as dishonest and other negative traits.
 
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AprilH

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PayPal is a business, yes, and this is why when transacting as a gift, you receive the bare minimum, the transfer of funds, you don't reap the benefits of their other services and resources, this is why they offer such a service.

It's a very foolish view to think that 'Gift' is some sort of underhanded loophole facilitated by dishonest traders, it's merely one of the many levels of services that PayPal offer, you're doing them out of nothing.
It's not foolish at all. The gift option is for a GIFT, not a PURCHASE. I am happy to have paypal as a payment option - again, it's a business and that's how they fund their business and are able to provide their services. I eat the small cost when I sell something online because I'd much rather have immediate payment than wait for a check or something that may never show up. I don't think it's fair that people that use Paypal properly end up having to pay for all the services that people like you make use of.

I've also seen it used to scam people too many times because it leaves ZERO recourse for the buyer if the seller doesn't follow through on his/her end of the deal.

Maybe I have the wrong impression of this forum, but it struck me as the sort of close knit and endearing community that would perpetuate these faculties to its best ability, and this (in my vast experience of web communities) may result in a lot of deals being transacted as gifts (hence advising Jacob about the intricacies of this) especially in such niche areas, just to help each other out, however small the monetary amount, it is the environment that has borne such a level of trust that such behaviour is the convention, to the end that the default position is to trust everyone, not to be cynical and suspicious, which is the important thing, not the monetary gains which you seem to have unreasonably vilified as dishonest and other negative traits.
Your one extremely wordy, run-on sentence is hard to follow. My response will be more clear.

Here's the reality - there are people that will scam you anywhere, especially online and in forums. It's a huge problem in the reptile community, and I have seen it here. It has happened to me more than once. I make my judgments based on reality, not some pretend, idealistic world where everyone has your best interest in mind. You telling a new person that they should be trusting of anyone they don't know just because they are part of the same online community is irresponsible.
 

Bill S

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Just to round out the PayPal issue - most sellers who use PayPal option recognize the costs associated with it and consider that when they establish the prices of their spiders. It's a standard part of business to cover your overhead expenses, and this is one of them.
 

Hostile

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You telling a new person that they should be trusting of anyone they don't know just because they are part of the same online community is irresponsible.
Not only have you taken my original well intended advice out of context and misconstrued it as something sinister, you've also further misunderstood my postings and created a straw man.

Also, please denote to where I was telling him he should be trusting? that's up to him, I was doing the exact opposite of that in my first post by filling him in on the intricacies of dealing with 'Gift' transactions.

I take it as a sleight to have congenial advice misconstrued as something underhand, I also take it as a sleight against those communities I'm part of which operate on those exact principles, which you seem to adjudged as 'idealistic', my further postings served to illustrate such perspectives.

Imagine two forums.

Forum 1: A forum where as a new member, you are deemed untrustworthy or start at '0' and must prove yourself.

Forum 2: A forum where as a new member, you are deemed equal to everyone else, and everyone is trusted.

To assume a default position that unknowns and new members aren't trustworthy creates a jaded environment, there are people who are willing to maybe get scammed once in a blue moon, for the sake of maintaining a buoyant community.

Surely you don't treat everyone you meet in life with the same cynicism?

If you have a core group working to maintain those ideals, new members will stick around and reciprocate, and further nurture the environment.

I'm sure this will seem very peculiar to you, as you don't seem to believe these sort of communities exist, but it's not uncommon on one web community I belong to, for members who've been with us only a week to receive surprise gifts, coordinated amongst the existing members, sometimes ending up as hundreds of £/$ worth of gifts (It's called 'Cigar bombing') and isn't a trend exclusive to just that one forum, there are a couple of others I know that do so.

There is also another community I'm part of where members readily offer free labour and assistance if they're near by (sometimes even if they're not), and often free parts rendered surplus by upgrades (a car tuning community), it helps create an environment that people want to help maintain, and it's better for everyone.

I could go on with quite a few accounts of such generosity and genuine trust in web based communities. It is unfortunate you've never had the serendipity to be part of such places.

So you see, when you take my postings out of context and misconstrue me and my advice as something underhand, it's also a sleight against the many great communities I'm part of that steadfastly operate under these exact ideals.
 
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