Pitbull Thread

[pitbulllady]

I have had many dogs in my lifetime and none have ever been what I would call vicious, or even aggressive...except the pitbull we were given. We never starved or beat it, ever. And to be honest, the pitbull wasn't anything approaching vicious. It had a sweet temperament, but it also had an aggressive side. Particularly when I was in 'that time of the month'. In the end, it scared the hell out of me one too many times and we gave the pitbull to a young man whose family had raised pits. He'd been around them all his life and swore he knew how to train and treat the animal. Because of all the dog fighting going on in that end of Arkansas, I made the kid sign a contract stating I could and would take the dog back if ever I suspected he was being abused. I went back several times to visit and that pitbull was still sweet as can be...except during his wife's time of the month.

So to say that every viscious/aggressive pitbull in the world is so because of incompetent, evil owners is extremely narrow minded and not at all correct.

This is actually not uncommon in unneutered male dogs of ANY breed, and this behavior is also seen quite frequently in male lizards that are kept in captivity, too, as well as stallions. This is one of the reasons why if a male dog is not to be used for breeding, it should be neutered. The dog had too high a level of testosterone, and I would not be surprised if it had a testicle that had not decended, but remained in the abdominal cavity. Too high a temperature will increase testosterone production, but will actually DECREASE sperm production, so you often will see high levels aggression in such male dogs that are exposed to women "at that time of the month" or even to female dogs in estrus. Istead of trying to mate with them, these male dogs will attack them.

pitbulllady

 

[Varden]

This is actually not uncommon in unneutered male dogs of ANY breed, and this behavior is also seen quite frequently in male lizards that are kept in captivity, too, as well as stallions. This is one of the reasons why if a male dog is not to be used for breeding, it should be neutered. The dog had too high a level of testosterone, and I would not be surprised if it had a testicle that had not decended, but remained in the abdominal cavity. Too high a temperature will increase testosterone production, but will actually DECREASE sperm production, so you often will see high levels aggression in such male dogs that are exposed to women "at that time of the month" or even to female dogs in estrus. Istead of trying to mate with them, these male dogs will attack them.

pitbulllady

Actually, he was neutuered. It cost us twice the normal amount because he was pit and the vet was a jerk.

 

[Ms. Peaches]

We are facing similar bans and restrictions here in California as well. Fortunatly I live in a city that has not yet adopted any regulations, but that doesn't mean we are safe from them. I have 4 young children who love these dogs. They are never done anything in an aggressive manner to my kids. These dogs will be raised with love and respect.

Here are my boys


Bucket

Older pic

Scraper

Thanks for this thread. All of you have beautiful dogs.


S

 

[ScorpZion]

my pointer pit mix Sheeva,

when io adopted her i could literally place my hand over top her spine and stomache... she was also covered in ticks. now she is on innova evo diet 42% raw protein and is filled out nice and venice beach style lol. oh she was rescues out of camden nj very bad place for dogs.

 

[Twysted]

I have had many dogs in my lifetime and none have ever been what I would call vicious, or even aggressive...except the pitbull we were given. We never starved or beat it, ever. And to be honest, the pitbull wasn't anything approaching vicious. It had a sweet temperament, but it also had an aggressive side. Particularly when I was in 'that time of the month'. In the end, it scared the hell out of me one too many times and we gave the pitbull to a young man whose family had raised pits. He'd been around them all his life and swore he knew how to train and treat the animal. Because of all the dog fighting going on in that end of Arkansas, I made the kid sign a contract stating I could and would take the dog back if ever I suspected he was being abused. I went back several times to visit and that pitbull was still sweet as can be...except during his wife's time of the month.

So to say that every viscious/aggressive pitbull in the world is so because of incompetent, evil owners is extremely narrow minded and not at all correct.

Not so much evil owners but a comination of evil\stupid\incompetent owners.

If you give me any pitbull on the planet from birth it would turn out fine

 

[drunkinmaster]

Not a pit but an English Bulldog

Heres Chloe, shes about 4 months old, starting to get stubby, and her chest is starting to widen.These are my favorite breed, although I hate all the problems(hips, knees, eyes, skin, and a buttload of others)I will be breeding her to my male ,Jari , which I'll try to get a pic of soon.
Pics of her father(a European champion), can be seen at
http://www.mervander.co.za/
go to champions gallery, and look for CH Mervander Thunder Voice
Shes has a little cherry in her eye, not for long though.

Charles, badass bluenose , how much does he weigh?

 

[Bedlam]

I had a dog when I was younger that was completely vicious. We never hit him or did anything wrong to him. He was very fond of my Mom and attached to her and pretty much hated my Dad and myself. He bit me a bunch of times, once almost taking out my eye. Horrible temper.







He was an American Cocker Spaniel. :?

 

[Mina]

I was wondering when this would come up here. I have two. Both red and white. The older one, Alex, is a rednose, and the younger one, Igor isn't. Igor is also deformed. One front leg curls up and is half the size it should be, he is for all practical purposes, a three legged dog. I do not believe that either of my boys would ever harm anyone intentionally. I'm not saying they couldn't, I don't personally believe that they would. On the other hand, I'm not a fool and would never tell anyone that ANY of my animals would never bite anyone. They are animals. They do not interact with each other the way we do, we will never understand how they think. With that in mind, miscommunication happens. How do you know without a doubt, that the bird, lizard, dog, cat, turtle....... that you are handling, would not percieve something you do as a threat?
Both Alex and Igor are rescues from situations were they were abused. We don't know much about Alex, but Igor was used for bait. He was considered useless for anything else because of his leg. I give my boys a lot of love, a lot of attention, and a lot of disipline. They are not allowed to disobey, I am the alpha female of the pack, and I make sure they know it. Yes, I have been challenged by them both. I downed them, growled and shook their necks. No, I don't do that with my husky/lab mix. It isn't needed. I do with the boys what they understand.

 

[Crotalus]

Heres Chloe, shes about 4 months old, starting to get stubby, and her chest is starting to widen.These are my favorite breed, although I hate all the problems(hips, knees, eyes, skin, and a buttload of others)I will be breeding her to my male ,Jari , which I'll try to get a pic of soon.
Pics of her father(a European champion), can be seen at
http://www.mervander.co.za/
go to champions gallery, and look for CH Mervander Thunder Voice
Shes has a little cherry in her eye, not for long though.

Charles, badass bluenose , how much does he weigh?

Looks more like a boxer then a eng. bulldog

 

[Scorp guy]

loox genuine to me a teacher at our school had one that size....looked exactly like that

 

[~Abyss~]

Wow the ban on pitbulls is very discriminant and i would feel the same way if my dog had to be neutured and in a mussel because he would never hurt a soul i even trust him with my 2 year old nephew. I feel sorry for those who suffer from the ban but honestly i think more people will benifit because of the wannabe gangsters that mistreat the what I consider a good breed of dog. I once walked my dog and 2 pits attaked him he's 1/2 sharpaie so he didnt get hurt. It wasnt the dogs' fault it was the owners that let them loose on me. Well here are some pick of my mutt 1/2 sharpaie, 1/4 chow, 1/4 unknown

 

[pitbulllady]

Wow the ban on pitbulls is very discriminant and i would feel the same way if my dog had to be neutured and in a mussel because he would never hurt a soul i even trust him with my 2 year old nephew. I feel sorry for those who suffer from the ban but honestly i think more people will benifit because of the wannabe gangsters that mistreat the what I consider a good breed of dog. I once walked my dog and 2 pits attaked him he's 1/2 sharpaie so he didnt get hurt. It wasnt the dogs' fault it was the owners that let them loose on me. Well here are some pick of my mutt 1/2 sharpaie, 1/4 chow, 1/4 unknown

Can you please explain how a ban on a particular type of DOG is going to help people benefit due to the ban's effect on "wannabe gangsters"? It's NOT the "wannabe gangsters"(who are in many case, the Real Deal, not wannabes)that are being banned! They are still free to sell drugs, shoot four-year-old kids from cars, traffic in female sex slaves, and of course, fight dogs. Does anyone honestly think that these people, who consider it their right to break every law on the books already, will suddenly stop and think, "Oh, golly gee-it's illegal for me to have a Pit now, so I better get rid of it and start being a good little boy so I don't make the policeman mad at me and get in trouble with the law"? GET REAL! Many of these people will have already broken several FEDERAL laws each day before most of us even get out of bed, so they could care less about a law that says that they can't have a Pit Bull or have to muzzle it when it's out in public! It's the AVERAGE owners of Pits and Pit mixes, like the ones who've posted here, who DO obey the law, who will suffer, along with the dogs who will in many cases lose thier lives simply because of what they are, when BSL is passed.

Just to give you an example of why BSL doesn't work, Auburn, Washington is now considering "stiffer" laws against vicious dogs. This city has had a total BAN on Pit Bulls and anything that looks like one for several years, yet severe dog attacks have not only continued, but INCREASED, in that city. Now, if banning Pit Bulls had been the real answer, and if Pit Bulls had been the real problem, you'd think that dog attacks would have dropped to nearly zero, right? That's what proponents of BSL would like for us to believe, yet this has not in fact, happened. The severe attacks are now being caused by other breeds of dogs, since what is happening is exactly what us anti-BSL people have always warned would happen: the gangs, the bad a$$es, the idiots who feel the need to have an animal they can't control, and the just plain ignorant are getting bigger, badder dogs than Pit Bulls, because bans on dogs do nothing to control the PEOPLE who were behind the problem all along!

Incidentally, Abyss, in many of the places that have BSL, YOUR dog would be considered a "Pit Bull mix", and you would be hard-pressed, without registration papers from a recognized registery, such as AKC(which of course does not register mixed-breeds), to prove otherwise. In Denver, for example, your dog would probably be seized right out of your home or yard and killed-no hearing, no nothing-just a dead dog. Chows are also banned in many places, as well, by the way, so BLS isn't just about Pit Bulls or Rottweilers, so your handsome boy would have two strikes against him in some places. NEVER assume that you won't be affected by BSL because you don't have a Pit Bull, or that BSL is, to quote the late Douglas Adams, a SEP-Somebody Else's Problem. The very same people who are behind the bans on dog breeds are also pushing breeding bans on ALL animals, limits on the number of ANY kind of animals people can keep on their property or home, mandatory spay/neuter laws, bans on hunting with dogs, or using dogs to work(as herding, guide, service, etc.), and of course, bans on all so-called "exotic" animals, such as reptiles and arachnids. It's just easier to get rid of the animals that are controversial first, and then move on to others after having had time to generate a public furor over those, too.

pitbulllady

 

[RVS]

why not ban ones that do have a higher propensity for attacking humans?

Pitbulls do not have a high propensity for attacking humans (in fact they're one of the breeds least likely to bite a person). Maybe they should ban cocker spaniels.

 

[pitbulllady]

Pitbulls do not have a high propensity for attacking humans (in fact they're one of the breeds least likely to bite a person). Maybe they should ban cocker spaniels.

Thank you, RVS. That's the breed *I* got attacked by as well, bad enough to need stitches and surgical drains, and this, too, was a family pet. He just hated every living thing on the planet, including us, his family who'd cared for him since he was a puppy.

Seriously, it is difficult to pinpoint which breeds have the "highest propensity of attacking humans". Most people I know cannot, with any degree of accuracy, identify the breed of any given dog, and this includes many people you'd think would be able to do so, such as vets. Many times, I've had my Akitas in the past listed as "Husky mixes" on their veterinary Rabies certificates, while my Catahoulas are OFTEN referred to as "Pit Bulls"! To make matters worse, the news media calls virtually EVERY dog that growls, snaps, bites, barks, or attacks someone a "Pit Bull", and then when anyone who is even slightly knowledgeable about dogs sees pictures of the dog in question, it looks absolutely NOTHING like a Pit Bull Terrier! I've seen purebred Walker Coonhounds and Black-and-Tan Coonhounds, as well as Jack Russell Terriers, called "Pit Bulls" after they were involved in an attack by our largest SC newspaper, along with an English Bulldog/Boston Terrier Mix and a 135- lb. Bullmastiff, all very different dogs, of extremely varying sizes, yet the media and the reporting animal control people called every single one "Pit Bulls", and the actions of those dogs have been recorded for all posterity as "Pit Bull Attacks".

pitbulllady

 

[GailC]

I think breed banning is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I would move to another state before I would get rid of my dog. This is hotrod, a 8 yr old, 125 lb rottie/bull mastiff/pitbull and raymond, my sister in laws shiz tsu (sp?)

this is snoopy, everyone always wants to pet him until they spend time with him, hes not a friendly dog at all. Everyone who spends time with hotrod wants to take him home, he is loved by all, even my *he's gonna grow up and eat your daughter* friend who now has his own pit

 

[~Abyss~]

Can you please explain how a ban on a particular type of DOG is going to help people benefit due to the ban's effect on "wannabe gangsters"? It's NOT the "wannabe gangsters"(who are in many case, the Real Deal, not wannabes)that are being banned! They are still free to sell drugs, shoot four-year-old kids from cars, traffic in female sex slaves, and of course, fight dogs. Does anyone honestly think that these people, who consider it their right to break every law on the books already, will suddenly stop and think, "Oh, golly gee-it's illegal for me to have a Pit now, so I better get rid of it and start being a good little boy so I don't make the policeman mad at me and get in trouble with the law"? GET REAL! Many of these people will have already broken several FEDERAL laws each day before most of us even get out of bed, so they could care less about a law that says that they can't have a Pit Bull or have to muzzle it when it's out in public! It's the AVERAGE owners of Pits and Pit mixes, like the ones who've posted here, who DO obey the law, who will suffer, along with the dogs who will in many cases lose thier lives simply because of what they are, when BSL is passed.

Just to give you an example of why BSL doesn't work, Auburn, Washington is now considering "stiffer" laws against vicious dogs. This city has had a total BAN on Pit Bulls and anything that looks like one for several years, yet severe dog attacks have not only continued, but INCREASED, in that city. Now, if banning Pit Bulls had been the real answer, and if Pit Bulls had been the real problem, you'd think that dog attacks would have dropped to nearly zero, right? That's what proponents of BSL would like for us to believe, yet this has not in fact, happened. The severe attacks are now being caused by other breeds of dogs, since what is happening is exactly what us anti-BSL people have always warned would happen: the gangs, the bad a$$es, the idiots who feel the need to have an animal they can't control, and the just plain ignorant are getting bigger, badder dogs than Pit Bulls, because bans on dogs do nothing to control the PEOPLE who were behind the problem all along!

Incidentally, Abyss, in many of the places that have BSL, YOUR dog would be considered a "Pit Bull mix", and you would be hard-pressed, without registration papers from a recognized registery, such as AKC(which of course does not register mixed-breeds), to prove otherwise. In Denver, for example, your dog would probably be seized right out of your home or yard and killed-no hearing, no nothing-just a dead dog. Chows are also banned in many places, as well, by the way, so BLS isn't just about Pit Bulls or Rottweilers, so your handsome boy would have two strikes against him in some places. NEVER assume that you won't be affected by BSL because you don't have a Pit Bull, or that BSL is, to quote the late Douglas Adams, a SEP-Somebody Else's Problem. The very same people who are behind the bans on dog breeds are also pushing breeding bans on ALL animals, limits on the number of ANY kind of animals people can keep on their property or home, mandatory spay/neuter laws, bans on hunting with dogs, or using dogs to work(as herding, guide, service, etc.), and of course, bans on all so-called "exotic" animals, such as reptiles and arachnids. It's just easier to get rid of the animals that are controversial first, and then move on to others after having had time to generate a public furor over those, too.

pitbulllady

Whoa were did all of this come from Im saying that these wangstas raise pit bulls to fight not that the ban is gonna get rid of these wangstas. i come from a ghetto neighborhood and things are different over there. We're not bad, i mean there not bad because they want to it's survival. trust me i know. But it's these people that give pits a bad name

 

[bugmankeith]

What type of breed is Snoopy? Hotrod is a massive dog, wow! Ha Raymond is climbing hotrod.

I live in Long Island,NY so we have our fare share of pitbulls here. Alot of people who are gangster do own these guys, and alot use them for fighting or as guard dogs, and with fighting sometimes a steriod is used, or another helpless animal as bait, (2 illegal acts right there also) Most of them get reported and have the dogs taken away, but there are always more turning up. We do have pitbulls up for adoption at our local animal shelter, but some get put down for agressive behavior or never get adopted and are put down, but for agressive behavior those are very few. We have to be careful who we adopt them out to, making sure they will not be used for fighting or be abused. Then you have people who own pitbulls,and treat them very well. They can be really nice, so I dont see why they have a bad rap, it's the bad owners who should be shunned upon, not the dogs. They are Very strong and muscular dogs though, if their breed is known to take down a bull, they are strong!

 

[~Abyss~]

Thats all I was trying to say. i love muscular dogs but for the most part it is the owners fault that they have a bad rep.

 

[Fullstop]

We need to have a ban on those little dogs. The little bitchy dogs that are evil and never shut the hell up. Again though, it goes to how it's taken care of, but damn...

 

[~Abyss~]

No those little dogs just naturally bark there nm an owner can do. oh well what can we do