PetCo Conference Call Info

[viper69]

The only other option is, you made it all up...I mean you've given no hard evidence of your call or emails.

So that's how you admit you are wrong, very interesting

When you deal with professionals you don't post their emails, their names or their private, direct phone numbers. It's unethical and rude.

I'd explain the difference between complaining and constructive criticism, but I don't have the time.

You have a lot to learn about life and a lot of growing up to do, assuming either is ever achieved on your end. Unlike yourself, I don't assume, particularly in this case.

 

[Draketeeth]

I also think (and this may already be the case, I don't know) that these should be behind glass, available with employee help, not just sitting on the shelf for any kid (or adult) to tip around, shake or drop...being as fragile as they are, an employee should always be involved in the customer actually handling the package.

In my PetCo they were in one of the standard display cases where tarantulas/reptiles are usually kept, and those cases are locked. I had to request employee assistance to see what species were available, as it is not readily listed on the front of the container.

I think "nickle sized" is a good starting point. For several reasons. A) less fragile as they are more established. B) they have the look of something different. let's face it, most of us have proudly shown off small slings to people who have walked away thinking -if not outright saying - "I've seen spiders like that in my basement!"

Nickle sized would be good, I agree. Small enough to stop an impulse buy, big enough for the small feeder crickets, but no so small it can't be tended to with some effort by someone willing to try.

Has anyone actually gone to a petco and seen their new T's? Just wanted to know if they've actually shipped them yet or if it's gonna be a while like a few months until they actually do this. And if so, are they just slings or adults?

When I went to my local store, they had three of these new containers stocked: an Aphonopelma hentzi, an Brachypelma albopilosum and a Pink Toe of some type (didn't look at it's container). The pink was probably a good 1.5-2" in size (smaller than I've seen there before when they were selling adults/sub-adults, but still a good sized spider). The B. Albo was probably in the 1/3" range, a rather small sling. The A. hentzi was tiny and the employees really had no idea there was even a spider in the container until someone finally spotted the little 'un crunched up in a corner trying to hide. It's probably 1/6" maybe 1/4" if it tried really hard, and the employees really had no idea what to do with one so small.

Tiny tarantulas seems to be a shock when people think "tarantula" and equate it with "large hair spider" automatically. Like, they start out as babies? Like all other animals? Blasphemy.

I also recall seeing them selling a cobalt blue (the "not good for a beginner" species, I forget scientific name.) a while back, not in the "hut" at least.

This has been on their available list for some time. My store can get them too. Or could get them . . . not sure how their new huts are going to change that.

 

[viper69]

H. sp. columbia large is given out as a freebie now.. And ball python morphs are insane. I'm saving up to buy a female pied more to breed with my spider ball.. and females are 600 dollars for a 5 month old, and 2000 for an adult female.

When I first saw Pieds, they weren't proven genetic yet. Once they were the costs were quite expensive for the average person, as the average person didn't have over $10k to spend, esp on a snake. It took a long time for them to drop below $1k for a single high white animal.

The price for balls stays relatively stable compared to boas because balls don't produce nearly as many young as boas do. Plus, the boa market was larger at the time, no one predicted that ball pythons were going to be the rock star of the constrictor world.

 

[Thistles]

H. sp. columbia large is given out as a freebie now.. And ball python morphs are insane. I'm saving up to buy a female pied more to breed with my spider ball.. and females are 600 dollars for a 5 month old, and 2000 for an adult female.

My very first issue of Reptiles magazine, which I got when I was 10, had a pied BP on the cover. They were an exciting new thing, and cost around $10,000. Be glad it's only $600! Seeing the price drop makes me feel so old!

 

[Toxoderidae]

My very first issue of Reptiles magazine, which I got when I was 10, had a pied BP on the cover. They were an exciting new thing, and cost around $10,000. Be glad it's only $600! Seeing the price drop makes me feel so old!

Saw I a pied when I was real little, fell in love with it since. Females are still super rare, with breeding females still reaching the 5 to 7 thousand range. Males are significantly cheaper, as I guess females are super rare.

 

[Tfisher]

My very first issue of Reptiles magazine, which I got when I was 10, had a pied BP on the cover. They were an exciting new thing, and cost around $10,000. Be glad it's only $600! Seeing the price drop makes me feel so old!

I had a pied hatchling given to me when I was into pythons. Decided mice were expensive and bought a dubia colony then fell in love with T's. I'm probably a lifer when it comes to T's.

 

[Lander9021]

Okay, if Viper lied, than I must be a crack dealer or the Pope. I can see Petco lying to get us to back off, but Viper cares too much to lie for no reason. He's no troll.

I don't know anyone on here from Adam, how do I know if someones telling the truth...you go off evidence.

There's been a statement (we will just call it that) that has promised something fairy big ...a big company has just said in so many words " sorry I'll take the loss of the thousands of ts I was gunna sell to just anyone, and I'll make sure people on ab is kept sweet."

Weather it's USA UK Italy France or even north Korea ..Its down to the individual not place of origin, I find it hard to believe a business has accepted that loss.

That's not beeing a knob head or anything it's pointing out a reality.

 

[Toxoderidae]

Look, I'm agreeing that Petco might have lied, but viper didn't. That's all.

 

[Toxoderidae]

Hey guys, just got my call, and I'm actually pretty happy!
So I talked to the same guy Viper did, and he addressed that yes, they are removing OW from the list, and NO OW tarantulas have been sent out yet, and none will. They're actually listening, and care about the hobby. They're taking in new NW species for the list, like GBBs and spiders in the Brachypelma genus. All in all, I can attest to Viper's statement, and I'm much happier about this than previously. Here's hoping everyone.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Weather it's USA UK Italy France or even north Korea ..Its down to the individual not place of origin, I find it hard to believe a business has accepted that loss.

Actually here in Italy things worked pretty well on that sense, and the Italian Arachnid-Community managed to earn a somewhat decent victory, and against Politicians (here the 'Boss' of the show).

As far as (sort of) 'Petco' and 'Petco's' "type of" animal chains is concerned, here that wasn't an issue to deal with, for that here no one of those (btw we had/have others Italian & EU brands, not the US ones) even dared to keep venomous, no matter which, animals. Not even crickets, actually.

Only private breeders/keepers and those last that, back then, had a little, comfortable, wise 'corner' spot, shops.

 

[Methal]

Exactly, you didn't think, you assumed. In the past I have bought exotics, Ts included, from big box stores.

Lander's you are the only Negative Nancy in this thread. How do you think change EVER happens? You have A LOT to learn about life, society and how change happens.

Why do you think there are seat belts in cars, at least in the USA? It's not because the car companies thought it was a smart idea. It's because one person decided cars should be safer, and 1 person took the big 3 automakers here in the USA, and succeeded.

With your attitude,it seems you would leave it up to companies to change on their own. That's a poor perspective.

From a business standpoint it's also a flawed model. Everyone knows that companies that are consumer-oriented succeed, and companies that become or are product-oriented ultimately fail. If you don't understand the difference, look it up and we can talk some more if you like.

ease up there trigger! Its all going to be ok.

but no, i'm afraid your mistaken on this point. Change in the US doesn't happen because of Citizens, it happens when someone dies, and someone get sued, and the government gets involved.

If we all look down deep inside we all know how this is going to end.

Some tool is going to buy spoiled rotten billy "the pretty orange Tarantula", which he'll try to pet, get bit, sue Petco, the stupid kid will have a senator for an uncle and lawyer for a brother and 4 months of "dangerous aggressive deadly Tarantula sold at Petco bites little child" headlines later, well all be required to have DWR Licensees to own, and transport across state lines will be hella expensive if legal at all.

Mark my words our hobby is in hella deep water right now.

 

[Sarkhan42]

ease up there trigger! Its all going to be ok.

but no, i'm afraid your mistaken on this point. Change in the US doesn't happen because of Citizens, it happens when someone dies, and someone get sued, and the government gets involved.

If we all look down deep inside we all know how this is going to end.

Some tool is going to buy spoiled rotten billy "the pretty orange Tarantula", which he'll try to pet, get bit, sue Petco, the stupid kid will have a senator for an uncle and lawyer for a brother and 4 months of "dangerous aggressive deadly Tarantula sold at Petco bites little child" headlines later, well all be required to have DWR Licensees to own, and transport across state lines will be hella expensive if legal at all.

Mark my words our hobby is in hella deep water right now.

You did read that they won't be offering old worlds now that they were talked to, right? Not picking on you but we've made it past this issue thankfully, now it's just making sure they're cared for properly and people are educated.

 

[Toxoderidae]

ease up there trigger! Its all going to be ok.

but no, i'm afraid your mistaken on this point. Change in the US doesn't happen because of Citizens, it happens when someone dies, and someone get sued, and the government gets involved.

If we all look down deep inside we all know how this is going to end.

Some tool is going to buy spoiled rotten billy "the pretty orange Tarantula", which he'll try to pet, get bit, sue Petco, the stupid kid will have a senator for an uncle and lawyer for a brother and 4 months of "dangerous aggressive deadly Tarantula sold at Petco bites little child" headlines later, well all be required to have DWR Licensees to own, and transport across state lines will be hella expensive if legal at all.

Mark my words our hobby is in hella deep water right now.

No. Change happened. Read what I said, they're removing ALL OW TARANTULAS from the list and haven't even gotten any of them out, ensuring nobody will be able to purchase them at Petco.

 

[viper69]

ease up there trigger! Its all going to be ok.

but no, i'm afraid your mistaken on this point. Change in the US doesn't happen because of Citizens, it happens when someone dies, and someone get sued, and the government gets involved.

If we all look down deep inside we all know how this is going to end.

Some tool is going to buy spoiled rotten billy "the pretty orange Tarantula", which he'll try to pet, get bit, sue Petco, the stupid kid will have a senator for an uncle and lawyer for a brother and 4 months of "dangerous aggressive deadly Tarantula sold at Petco bites little child" headlines later, well all be required to have DWR Licensees to own, and transport across state lines will be hella expensive if legal at all.

Mark my words our hobby is in hella deep water right now.

Actually Methal, change in America happens both by its citizens, but also in the manner you described, which is something I mentioned in my phone call with Petco Corporate. Our history is replete with examples of both of those avenues of change happening.

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

Admin Note

Lets get this thread back on track. Bickering back and forth will get this thread closed.

 

[Toxoderidae]

I have a +7 Troll Slaying Long Sword.

I have the legendary mage's cloak of halgar! It gives +15 percent to spellcasting.

 

[Lander9021]

The problem is (well one of them) is that while you might be able to offer hypothetical reasons that Petco is being less than honest, you can't really offer any good reason that Viper might not be telling the truth. That's the flaw in your dissertation. You have not said "Sheesh, this fellow has a reputation for lying on these forums, and the rest of you are buying it!" and provided any proof of his having fabricated anything in the past. There is something called "the burden of proof" and you so far have not carried an ounce of it, or even satisfactorily offered even a good reason for your doubt.
My troll meter is starting to ping. And you certainly do not post like somebody who is very disciplined or even skilled at trolling. I'm more inclined to go with MY assumption that you are a kid, based on style and attitude and the earlier comment I mentioned. 11 years seems about in the ball-park.
Okay, folks, you may commence with the "pot calling the kettle black" comments now, I knew what I was letting myself in for before I typed the previous sentence

PS: Why would we believe any photos are proof of your military service? The credibility sword cuts both ways.

I can provide a picture of myself in the military too, by the way...

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Edit. Oops. Didn't see that somebody (not surprisingly) stepped in to get this back on track, as it happened as I was composing the post. I'll stand down.

Then how could I prove...I have discharge papers..

 

[Tfisher]

Then how could I prove...I have discharge papers..

I really dont want to see another thread pop up about this situation. Lets try and stay on track. Is there types of species you believe would be better to get the public involved with?

 

[Lander9021]

No petco should stay far away from ts, and leave it the folk that do know how to keep untill sold

 

[Tfisher]

No petco should stay far away from ts, and leave it the folk that do know how to keep untill sold

How about typical rose hairs? From what I can tell over 75% of people have this as their first T. Although I kind of agree with your statment.