Our Chicken Hunting Spider Thread

[becca81]

no what i mean is the fact that almost no one over there belived it existed but now you post loads of pics every where all of a sudden every one in the states suddenly belive it ...................it kind of portrays that what ever the european side of the water says the yanks dissmiss as being crap and try and discredit very knowledgable people over here but as soon as a yank goes and then posts a thread our chicken spider with loads of pics and almost imply that its there discovery just face the fact us europeans are far better in this hobby than the americans will ever be.

I don't see how you can make the assumption that "everyone in the states suddenly believes it" when only a handful of people have posted in this thread.

Most people seem to be commenting on the pictures themselves...

I haven't read one thing that implied that Sheri and Lelle "discovered" these spiders...

 

[dbaines]

i didnt say claimed i said implyed there is a huge diffrence
end of argument from me

 

[Lopez]

no what i mean is the fact that almost no one over there belived it existed but now you post loads of pics every where all of a sudden every one in the states suddenly belive it ...................it kind of portrays that what ever the european side of the water says the yanks dissmiss as being crap and try and discredit very knowledgable people over here but as soon as a yank goes and then posts a thread our chicken spider with loads of pics and almost imply that its there discovery just face the fact us europeans are far better in this hobby than the americans will ever be.

Don't think that was really called for. :?

Firstly, neither Lelle nor Sheri are "Yanks" - Lelle is Swedish and Sheri is Canadian.

I don't think either of them imply that this is their new discovery - certainly not the impression I gained from reading the thread anyway.
I will agree about the naysaying though, everyone was very quick to initially dismiss the whole "Chicken Spider" thing up to now.

Sheri, Lelle, nice pictures! Shame you didn't go to Thailand or Vietnam and find something interesting! ;P

 

[FryLock]

no what i mean is the fact that almost no one over there belived it existed but now you post loads of pics every where all of a sudden every one in the states suddenly belive it ...................it kind of portrays that what ever the european side of the water says the yanks dissmiss as being crap and try and discredit very knowledgable people over here but as soon as a yank goes and then posts a thread our chicken spider with loads of pics and almost imply that its there discovery just face the fact us europeans are far better in this hobby than the americans will ever be.

In this case Sheri and Lelle are not Americans Darren but I do kind of know what you mean , im sure if someone in the States (or a man north of the border) had found the CS first they may have been lended far more creditably then some one from else were .

 

[Crotalus]

I'm just curious as to why no one could get a specimen? If they have been studied for so long why has no one gotten one yet? Are the laws really strict about bringing one or two out of the country? Can't permits be gotten or something? I really am just curious. They look like really neat spiders.

@Lelle and Sheri
Just wondering how big was the largest one you found? And awesome pictures by the way!!

Peru is closed for export, but I know there can be special permits for scientist to get.

Largest was around 20cm plus minus a few. A bit hard to say when you only measured by the eye and the spider was never really stretched out

/Lelle

 

[Tescos]

I'm just curious as to why no one could get a specimen? If they have been studied for so long why has no one gotten one yet? Are the laws really strict about bringing one or two out of the country? Can't permits be gotten or something? I really am just curious. They look like really neat spiders.

@Lelle and Sheri
Just wondering how big was the largest one you found? And awesome pictures by the way!!

This is what I was wondering too. If Rick West has been there in the same place as what Lelli and Sheri have been why hasn't he brought out a specimen to study or has he? For me at least it makes sence to do this as then you can get a more accurate range of this species if they are indeed the same thing.

 

[TimV]

Great quality pics. I imagine the locals have lots of stories/legends about them.

 

[dbaines]

Don't think that was really called for. :?

Firstly, neither Lelle nor Sheri are "Yanks" - Lelle is Swedish and Sheri is Canadian.

I don't think either of them imply that this is their new discovery - certainly not the impression I gained from reading the thread anyway.
I will agree about the naysaying though, everyone was very quick to initially dismiss the whole "Chicken Spider" thing up to now.

Sheri, Lelle, nice pictures! Shame you didn't go to Thailand or Vietnam and find something interesting! ;P

Yes leon i was a bit harsh but that was lack of finding the right words and thanks Frylock for putting the point across alot more diplomaticly than myself

 

[MizM]

i didnt say claimed i said implyed there is a huge diffrence
end of argument from me

Shri's exact words:
"As some of you may recall, I was a little skeptical of the existance of a obligate NW burrower that appeared to live communally. It was clear that I needed to do some more research, and I did. "

In the English language, "I" refers only to the speaker. She has the right to be skeptical, it's her opinion. She did not state anywhere or even make an implication that anyone other than herself was skeptical.

There is no reason that they can't travel and observe a tarantula in the wild that someone else has discovered. You call them "our" chicken spiders... they don't "belong" to anyone. They are wild creatures and are there for the world to enjoy.

This has been a VERY interesting thread, photos of the actual "Chicken Spiders" are amazing, and I'm thrilled that they got to witness them. They're fortunate to have had this experience and kind enough to share it with us.

Please, chill out and enjoy the photos.

 

[Lopez]

Yes leon i was a bit harsh but that was lack of finding the right words and thanks Frylock for putting the point across alot more diplomaticly than myself

I thought I knew what you were getting at. I lose diplomacy at 1am too ;P

 

[FryLock]

I thought I knew what you were getting at. I lose diplomacy at 1am too ;P

Leon your doing a top job iv have just told him <edit> off .

 

[Crotalus]

I will agree about the naysaying though, everyone was very quick to initially dismiss the whole "Chicken Spider" thing up to now.

Sheri, Lelle, nice pictures! Shame you didn't go to Thailand or Vietnam and find something interesting! ;P

I dont believe these spiders acctually attack chickens, but I never dismissed the communal living.
Thailand... hmm yep definitly someday. The king cobra would be awesome to find...

/Lelle

 

[Tescos]

This has been a VERY interesting thread, photos of the actual "Chicken Spiders" are amazing, and I'm thrilled that they got to witness them. They're fortunate to have had this experience and kind enough to share it with us.

I do agree the pics are very nice but how can you say for sure they are of the actual "Chicken Spiders" without compareing the two. I also must say well done on geting out there and taking a look. The pics do make a nice change from the normal everyday spider in a box photo.

 

[GoTerps]

no what i mean is the fact that almost no one over there belived it existed but now you post loads of pics every where all of a sudden every one in the states suddenly belive it

Just b/c some uninformed people on a public messageboard did not believe, doesn't mean no one "over there" believed it existed.

Hopefully this thread will clean up from all this stupid nonesense.

Great thread Lelle and Sheri, and PERFECT title!!

just face the fact us europeans are far better in this hobby than the americans will ever be.

Congratulations... would you like a cookie?

 

[Crotalus]

I do agree the pics are very nice but how can you say for sure they are of the actual "Chicken Spiders" without compareing the two. I also must say well done on geting out there and taking a look. The pics do make a nice change from the normal everyday spider in a box photo.

I dont think there are too many that looks very much the same that have similar natural behavoiur in one area. But who knows, it might be a "Pamphobeteus inotawaensis" ....

/Lelle

 

[Crotalus]

This is what I was wondering too. If Rick West has been there in the same place as what Lelli and Sheri have been why hasn't he brought out a specimen to study or has he? For me at least it makes sence to do this as then you can get a more accurate range of this species if they are indeed the same thing.

The same reason Martin didnt take one, its illegal without a special permit.

/Lelle

 

[Tescos]

I dont think there are too many that looks very much the same that have similar natural behavoiur in one area. But who knows, it might be a "Pamphobeteus inotawaensis" ....

/Lelle

I thought you were in a different area from when you said you were over 6 or more hours away from the place Martin studied them. But is it so impossible that two different species can look the same and have simalar behaviour?
I am by no means saying what you have found isn't the same just questioning how do you know it is the same without compareing the 2, as it seems like you have found a new location for them or did someone tell you they were there?

 

[Crotalus]

I thought you were in a different area from when you said you were over 6 or more hours away from the place Martin studied them. But is it so impossible that two different species can look the same and have simalar behaviour?
I am by no means saying what you have found isn't the same just questioning how do you know it is the same without compareing the 2, as it seems like you have found a new location for them or did someone tell you they were there?

No, nothing is impossible.
All I know for now its more then likely it was the chicken spider...
No one told us they were there for sure, Rick thought they might be there.

/Lelle

 

[TimV]

Hmm..I've just joined this site, and was enjoying probably the best thread I've seen so far, and I check back in, read through 5 pages, and was struck by the fact that every 4th post was made by an idiot.

Thanks very much Sheri and Lelle, you've made my day in spite of that. I wish I could have been there with you two, and I hope some responsible people eventually bring this species into the hobby.

BTW Arana with the squiggle over the n in Spanish can also refer to mites, and perhaps the farmer was complaining about another common poultry problem. Or perhaps they do indeed hunt in packs and gobble up chicks. In South Africa we had trouble with lizards killing our adult geese, after all.

 

[Crotalus]

Hmm..I've just joined this site, and was enjoying probably the best thread I've seen so far, and I check back in, read through 5 pages, and was struck by the fact that every 4th post was made by an idiot.

Thanks very much Sheri and Lelle, you've made my day in spite of that. I wish I could have been there with you two, and I hope some responsible people eventually bring this species into the hobby.

BTW Arana with the squiggle over the n in Spanish can also refer to mites, and perhaps the farmer was complaining about another common poultry problem. Or perhaps they do indeed hunt in packs and gobble up chicks. In South Africa we had trouble with lizards killing our adult geese, after all.

Thanks, im glad you enjoyed it.
I do think the chicken hunting thing is a legend more then fact... but who knows...

You have monitor lizards there right? They can easily bring down a goose without problems

/Lelle